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Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:35 PM

I am not surprised that Rice withdrew her name from consideration

What bothers me most is that McCain, Graham & the Gang were ever in a position to pile on.

The administration was undoubtedly sidetracked by the campaign, but there were others who should/could have been offered as spokesperson in the 9-11 Benghazi attacks.

The UN ambassador should never have been the point-person.

Hillary Clinton should have made the statement about it..and if she was not available, it should have been her deputy..(that's why SoS HAS a deputy)

And there is also a point to be made of the fact that it's rarely a good idea to talk too soon, and to say too much about developing events.

It's not being secretive to just have a spokesperson come to microphone and say " Things are still evolving, and we will have more to say as events become clearer..we are offering sympathy to the family members of those who lost their lives"..

and then say nothing more until the investigation is over.

Republicans are World Class Thread-Pullers, and if necessary they will create a thread, so they can start pulling it, until they have completely unraveled the "garment".. Susan was just a sparkly sweater they could all start pulling at until they unraveled her.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:39 PM

1. Well no matter what - Lindsey & John get a Win.

Ironic given the election.

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Response to xchrom (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:47 PM

6. Not really.

Now they don't get to bring Benghazi up every time there's a foreign relations crisis for the next four years.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:06 PM

13. Yes, really. They win. Nt

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:43 PM

2. Rice, the UN Amb., was put forward because the State Dept had embargoed comments by its own.

I'm sure she volunteered. Rice was deeply invested in the Libyan regime change, so she felt determined to shape the public perceptions of the attack in order to defend the policy. That decision blewback on her.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:44 PM

3. Susan Rice said nothing wrong...and had plenty of caveats

in her statements. Don't legitimize the Miserable McCain or his stooges. This was revenge for Rice saying, during the 2008 campaign, that McCain's "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" was irresponsible. Petraeus piled on probably because he believed he shouldn't have been asked to resign.... Despicable beings, all of them.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:49 PM

7. I agree, and am not legitimizing the thread-pullers

just reminding people that Republicans are what they are, and given a sliver of a chance to obstruct & destroy, they will always jump on it.

Dems always seem to think that we will be given the same benefit of the doubt that we routinely give others.. (Iran-Contra/Issa's Insurance Fraud scams/Bush's Bogus Wars/Keating-5)..

We release the rattlesnakes, and then are somehow surprised when one of them bites us.

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:00 PM

11. It's time we learn that

the best way to handle rattlesnakes is to decapitate them.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:45 PM

4. She did something to aggravate the National Security nomenklatura

Wile Graham and McCain wielded the knife, there didn't seem to be much enthusiasm for her from Democrats in the National Security establishment. Durbin offered some medium warm support in early December, but that is all that I could find.

Did Secretary Clinton support Rice as her successor?

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:49 PM

8. I find it really strange that the SoS is in protected background on all this. n/t

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Response to Whisp (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:54 PM

9. Me too..

She would be the logical choice for the "first words"..

I thought the same thing when Condi was tossed out into the glaring headlights in her powder-blue suit after the WTC attacks.. Unprepared, fumbling, and yet she did get a pass...

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Response to Whisp (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:59 PM

10. There's more to the Benghazi intel catastophe than is being alledged publicly by John McCain, et al.

That's why Hillary is staying away from any and all personal contact. It's plutonium.

It has more to do with the failure to quickly restabilize both Libya and Syria, and the flow of manpads and Jihadis out of Benghazi than the tragic fact that Amb. Stevens was killed by al-Qaeda. There were some high-level (mis)representations made in early 2011 akin to Tenet's "all net" claims about Iraq WMD. The situations in both countries, and indeed in the region, are far worse than any of those pushing regime change predicted, and we're on the verge of a regional Sunni-Shi'ia civil war with all sorts of blowback potential.

No, there's something much bigger going on that the death of four Americans and some misleading statements by Rice five days later. Obama's very hawkish, neocon-influenced foreign policy team has been shown to be very, very wrong about outcomes in a very, very dangerous region.

The GOP don't know what to do with this because they're also supporters of the same "all roads lead to Tehran" regime change operation that's gone very, very bad.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:06 PM

12. Right about or wrong about, the die was cast when GW chose to invade Iraq

That was the precipitating factor that we chose to ignore.

The only "winners" when we meddle in Civil Wars, are the radicals who are willing to risk it all to take power.

Iran is the big winner in the Iraq war.

Religious/Civil wars are always dangerous and have long-lasting and worldwide consequences.. Remember the Crusades?

The WTC attacks were horrific and had we chosen to accept the world's assistance (it was offered) to search for and punish the group(s) responsible, we would be a lot richer for it...and have a lot of dead-soldiers still living.

The "middle east" as we have known it for a very long time, is an artificial construct (see Balfour), and old dictators always die or eventually lose power. The unraveling is always ugly..

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:31 PM

14. I may be naive, but I thought Obama offered some hope for change and a new policy in the Mideast

Early on in the Administration, John Kerry became Obama's personal emissary for back-channels diplomacy with Syria and was reportedly making significant progress when suddenly, in January last year, the Syrian opposition in exile declared a rebellion. This happened almost simultaneously in Libya, aned events in the two countries tracked each other closely leading up to the outbreak of armed insurrection and civil war. On March 8, the first of a series of deadly confrontations between the Syrian regime and armed demonstrators broke out in Daraa. Snipers killed 16 policemen and a Sunni mob exiting Friday prayers attacked and burned the Ba'ath Party headquarters in that city. Within a week tanks were in the street, and the rest is history.

These early triggering events involving snipers and armed attacks on government buildings were largely overlooked by al Jazeera and the rest of the Gulf Arab media which were covering events live. Most of the western media got its reports of massacres of unarmed protestors, not what actually happened in Daraa to trigger the civil war, directly from the opposition spokesmen in London and Paris, and broadcast it unfiltered and unconfirmed. Diplomacy ended.

The big winner in Syria and Libya is the most radical Sunni Jihadis sponsored by Saudis who were rewarded with huge amounts of Gulf Arab money along with arms shipments coordinated by the CIA, the British, and the French intelligence agencies to bring down the Syrian regime. It looks like militarily, they may succeed, but the US and its western allies will then have to deal with a much larger better armed Salaafist military movement than the one that emerged from similar covert operations against the Soviets and Serbs in Afghanistan, Bosnia, and Serbia. That, by the way, also happened under a Democratic Administration under many of the same leadership and top intelligence officers running this operation. The potential for blowback from the Sunni-Shi'ia wars as the conflict grows and spreads regionally makes 9/11 seem almost insignificant by comparison. If we're really lucky, it may be that some of the smarter people in Washington, including this President, recognize the terrible risks and may be changing course and getting rid of some of the principal regime changers. Maybe.

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