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Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:34 PM

 

Does anyone out there feel there is a way to keep gun right for those who are responsible

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law-abiding citizens, but make it harder for criminals to obtain guns?

It seems that all the good ideas to fight gun-related problems only hurts those who obtain guns legally..

Is there any way possible to make it harder for criminals to obtain guns that the government doesn't know they have?

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Reply Does anyone out there feel there is a way to keep gun right for those who are responsible (Original post)
underoath Dec 2012 OP
JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #1
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #5
former-republican Dec 2012 #2
Posteritatis Dec 2012 #15
Hoyt Dec 2012 #3
SecularMotion Dec 2012 #4
Aristus Dec 2012 #6
former-republican Dec 2012 #8
billh58 Dec 2012 #7
Hoyt Dec 2012 #10
justanidea Dec 2012 #16
Marrah_G Dec 2012 #9
jody Dec 2012 #11
Mnemosyne Dec 2012 #12
99Forever Dec 2012 #13
Bucky Dec 2012 #14
REP Dec 2012 #17

Response to underoath (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:42 PM

1. No. As long as crime exists, criminals will arm themselves

Decriminalizing drugs would put a lot of criminals out of work, so demand might drop.

But as long as there's a demand for guns, someone will supply them.

Simple economics.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:00 PM

5. Decriminalization will do nothing to get criminals out of the drug distribution business

Only out and out legalization and regulation of legitimate sources of supply will do that.

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Response to underoath (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:45 PM

2. No way

 

It's like asking how can we make it harder for criminals to commit murder , rape , arson , theft

Criminals by the very definition are criminals.

What we could do is try to make a country where the young children don't have to resort to crime.
By giving a good education , making inner cites more prosperous by jobs that make a living wage.

We have to look to the future of our young.

The people you are talking about are mostly already lost.

It's very hard , not impossible but very hard to convince someone who is involved in the criminal , gang life style to change.

That's just the way it is.

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Response to former-republican (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:57 PM

15. Sanest response in the thread. (nt)

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Response to underoath (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:52 PM

3. I don't really see how prohibiting guns on the street "hurts" anyone.


I understand some folks have a hard time venturing out without one. But, jeez why not make a sacrifice for society and leave the things at home (and even then, don't acquire too many).

If there were less guns, it would be harder for criminals to get them (and less likely a previously "law-abiding" gun owner suddenly breaks the law with it).

Also, if so-called responsible gun owners wouldn't leave them around for someone to steal, or sell them to anyone with a fist full of cash without a background check, we'd be better off. Finally, we'll be better off if we'd work on changing the perception of guns in our society and quit promoting more and more of them and laxer gun laws that encourage the Zimmerman's of the world to shoot innocent people.

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Response to underoath (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:57 PM

4. Background checks for all gun sales

Close the gun show loophole and require background checks for private sales.

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Response to underoath (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:04 PM

6. Register and track ammunition sales.

The people back when B*sh was ordering wipe-tapping without warrants, and were saying "That's okay; I ain't doin' nothing wrong", are the same people who would no doubt oppose a measure like ammunition tracking. But the principle is the same. if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:08 PM

8. That wouldn't do anything but create a black market for ammo sales

 

Just like illegal drugs or prescription drugs.

We could open up the NICS check for all private gun sales.
There is absolutely no reason why a private individual shouldn't be able to do the same check a FFL dealer has to perform
when selling a firearm.

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Response to underoath (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:04 PM

7. Why do law abiding

citizens need to carry guns in the first place? Why does anyone need to carry a fucking gun in public? Criminals have fucking guns because they buy them from "law abiding" citizens on the Internet, or on the street corner.

You RKBA types advocate what amounts to a fucking arms race with criminals, when you already have them outnumbered. The real answer is to get ALL fucking guns out of the public venue, and those who need to feel all warm and fuzzy about having an inanimate object of death can keep them at home.

A 5-4 decision by a right-wing SCOTUS is not a reason to celebrate, but to grieve for our nation.

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Response to billh58 (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:14 PM

10. +1000000000000000000

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Response to billh58 (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:09 PM

16. What reason is there to ban concealed carry?

 

49 (soon to be 50) states have it and it's caused no issues.

The number of instances where concealed carrier permit holders have went and committed crime are practically zero. We know that from the states that keep stats on it. For example, Texas publishes an annual report. They have well over 500,000 permit holders and each year about 90-100 total crimes are committed by them. And a lot of those crimes don't even involve firearms.

The fact its people with carry permits are not the problem. Not when far less than one tenth of one percent are abusing the right to carry.

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Response to underoath (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:10 PM

9. Massachusetts has pretty strict gun regs

I think it's fine to own one here as long as you keep them locked up.

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Response to underoath (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:25 PM

11. Laws already prohibit a criminal from possessing a firearm but criminals ignore them. IMO only a

 

totalitarian government could enforce those laws.

While we are abolishing RKBA we may as well abolish all the other enumerated and unenumerated rights as well.

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Response to underoath (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:41 PM

12. Obama isn't going to take away guns. nt

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Response to underoath (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:51 PM

13. Ever notice that ...

.. no matter what sort of possible sane idea someone puts forth to curb gun violence, the gunfreakos still go nuts and have a "reason" that it can't even be tried.

It's just like all fetishes, ANYTHING that come near is a threat.

You best not try to separate them from their "precious."

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Response to underoath (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:55 PM

14. I have one because my girlfriend has one and sometimes we argue. She scares me.

We're not criminals. Not yet.

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Response to underoath (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:24 PM

17. Locking

This topic does not meet the SoP of this Forum.

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