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Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:17 PM

New Zimmerman evidence: Serino changed final report four times in five hours

SANFORD After Chris Serino, the Sanford police detective who led the investigation into the Trayvon Martin shooting death, wrote the most important police report in the case, he revised it at least four times.

And he made at least one huge change: He initially said George Zimmerman should be charged with second-degree murder then changed course and recommended a charge of manslaughter, according to a prosecutor and new list of evidence.

Serino made all those revisions to the report summarizing his findings during one five-hour stretch on March 13, according to a newly-released evidence list.

In the first two drafts, according to Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda, Serino wrote that he had probable cause to recommend a second-degree murder charge. Then, over the next hour, he changed the report twice more and in his final version wrote that the evidence supported the lesser charge.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-serino-changes-affidavit-20121212,0,43028.story

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Reply New Zimmerman evidence: Serino changed final report four times in five hours (Original post)
Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 OP
joeybee12 Dec 2012 #1
KansDem Dec 2012 #3
John2 Dec 2012 #35
1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #4
Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #13
DallasNE Dec 2012 #37
Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #7
SugarShack Dec 2012 #2
Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #6
Larkspur Dec 2012 #8
moobu2 Dec 2012 #9
Dawgs Dec 2012 #10
2naSalit Dec 2012 #11
trumad Dec 2012 #12
uponit7771 Dec 2012 #14
GETTINGTIRED Dec 2012 #15
Skittles Dec 2012 #17
gollygee Dec 2012 #18
abelenkpe Dec 2012 #20
EOTE Dec 2012 #22
xxqqqzme Dec 2012 #24
Mariana Dec 2012 #29
mzmolly Dec 2012 #25
JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #26
Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #27
catbyte Dec 2012 #28
NOLALady Dec 2012 #31
DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #32
frylock Dec 2012 #33
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #5
hfojvt Dec 2012 #16
LanternWaste Dec 2012 #30
hfojvt Dec 2012 #39
Junkdrawer Dec 2012 #19
hay rick Dec 2012 #21
triplepoint Dec 2012 #23
Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #34
John2 Dec 2012 #36
Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #38

Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:18 PM

1. He got lots of phone calls in those 5 hours...knr

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:37 PM

3. "Did George Zimmerman's Father Talk To Sanford Police The Night of Trayvon Martin's Shooting?"

It certainly appears that he did, as Lawrence O'Donnell uncovers in this segment.

Robert Zimmerman, retired Virginia Supreme Court magistrate and father of George Zimmerman, has been making the rounds for media interviews with Fox News exclusively. He's cloaked in shadow, of course, so he isn't identified. In those interviews, he was asked whether the police knew he was a retired magistrate and whether that might have had an impact on their decision to let George Zimmerman go free that night without taking his clothes or keeping his gun, or doing any of the usual investigation that police do when they find a dead kid laying on his stomach with his hands underneath him.

Zimmerman's answer to the question was a denial and not a denial. He said, "No one knew that I was a retired magistrate judge. I didn't mention it to the police. I didn't mention it to the state attorney's office."

How interesting that he would specifically say he didn't mention it, without any denial that he spoke to them. Do you think that the police might have known who George Zimmerman was before they showed up that night, simply because he had called them 48 times in the past two months? Do you think it's possible, maybe even probable, that George Zimmerman had bragged about having a daddy who was a retired magistrate judge, or that he might have mentioned it that night when his daddy came to the police station to talk to the state attorney and police but didn't mention that he was a retired judge?

It seems to me, as it did Lawrence O'Donnell, that Zimmerman's statement that he didn't "mention it" to the police or city attorney implies that he was speaking to them. That night. And whether he mentioned it or not, I'd say it's more probable than not that they knew who Zimmerman was, and who his daddy was.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/did-george-zimmermans-father-talk-sanford-p

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Response to KansDem (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:24 PM

35. Wait a minute now!

 

I did not know who his father was, but I thought that I heard somewhere Zimmerman had a friend that worked as a law Enforcement officer and that they practiced at shooting ranges together?

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:38 PM

4. Yeah ...

I want to know who Serrino was in contact with during this 5 hour period.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:11 PM

13. Well, you know one of the people had to be Norm Wolfinger, the State Attorney

He didn't run for reelection this term.

I think a federal agency should look into the cases that he has passed on in the past.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:32 PM

37. Not Only That

But I want to know all contacts in the chain. Not just who Serrino was in contact with but also the people the contact(s) contacted.

It is also likely that Robert Zimmerman had a circle of friends that included people in the police chain of command that in turn made phone calls.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:44 PM

7. Those DAMN phonecalls is how this county works.

Process is undermined by higher ups pulling strings. And then, when ordinary people come asking why procedures weren't followed they are given the most ludicrous explanations. In the Trayvon case, however, they got caught because they went too far. It got national attention and that's usually the death knell for the backwater methods.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:27 PM

2. Looks like Travon was standing his ground, fighting for his life.

 

Zimmerman was told STOP FOLLOWING HIM, POLICE ARE ON THE WAY!. Instead he drove up to where Travon was, and got out of his truck! Zimmerman belongs in JAIL.

I've heard from others complaining...they are not using a current pic of Travon...he's older than that now. They are hiding his brutality. Cuz he's older? So they did use another pic, current. What the hell does that have to do, with Zimmerman getting out of his truck? That is NOT STANDING YOUR GROUND. Zimmerman put himself in that situation, for NO reason.

Zimmerman belongs behind bars!!!! He's a murderer who though he posessed a license to kill! We surely don't need future officers like this either on our streets!


walking with a gatorade and skittles......oh my.

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Response to SugarShack (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:40 PM

6. Have you seen the new photo of Zimmerman? He's innocent.

 

Martin punched him in the face, Zimmerman was bleeding heavily.

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:45 PM

8. I want an autopsy of Martin's had that shows the bruising he'd have if it actually punched

Zimmerman.

Anyway, punching a guy is no motive for killing him. Martin weighed 100 lbs less than Zimmerman and Zimmerman stalked Martin.

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:47 PM

9. Trayvon Martin punched him in the face because he trying to save his life.

Zimmerman was the aggressor and stalked Trayvon who was minding his own business making Trayvon feel threatened, Trayvon was scared and attempted to protect himself and Zimmerman killed him anyway. If not for Zimmermans actions none of it would have happened.

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:47 PM

10. Right, Martin was standing his ground and defending himself from a killer. n/t

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:01 PM

11. IMHO...

I don't think that Martin even had a chance to hit the POS. I think the wounds were inflicted after the shooting in order to make it look like POS may have had a story other than what really happened.

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:06 PM

12. so...

Do you know who threw the first punch?

No you Don't...nor does anyone.

If you were confronted by some douchebag out of nowhere who had a gun, would you fight for your life?

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:14 PM

14. lol, you guys are funny. Zimmerman chased a girl in the dark with a loaded gun and shot her dead

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:23 PM

15. where is the dna and blood

on Trayvons hands from all this punching and smothering of Georgie
Not there..
..and where is the Drs. report and x ray for his broken nose
Trayvon was stalked by a nonauthority having ...wanna be cop...please bring on the immunity hearing..
This liar isn't taking the stand Bdlr will shred him and he will be found guilty and spend the rest of his pityful life in prison..
And then Georgie can see what it feels like to look over his shoulder stalked and in fear for his life in GP..
Couldn't happen to a more deserving
COWARD.....

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:40 PM

17. I would punch someone who was stalking me with a gun

stop pimping for a gun nut

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:42 PM

18. If Zimmerman had stayed in his car and left the police work to the professionals

like the dispatcher told him to, no one would have ever gotten hurt.

You don't have the right to chase and harrass someone for no good reason, then go after them, and then shoot them when they try to protect themselves. That's not "standing your ground." It's baiting and egging someone on looking for an excuse to shoot them.

I question whether that picture is authentic, because it looks so different from other photos we KNOW came from that day, but honestly even if it is, I don't care. It doesn't tell me Zimmerman had a right to shoot anyone. He should have left Trayvon Martin alone when he was told to.

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:01 PM

20. Yeah apologize for the gun nut murderer

You'd do better on an NRA board if you want to peddle that bs

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:07 PM

22. Are you for real?

So you see a bloody picture of Zimmerman and that means that he's innocent? How about Trayvon Martin had every fucking right to defend himself against that psychopath killer with a fucking gun? I'm having a hard time believing you're for real, but somehow I think you might be.

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:12 PM

24. 'bleeding

heavily' is a blatant misrepresentation, at least the picture I saw. If he was 'bleeding heavily' then why not a picture of that as evidence?

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Response to xxqqqzme (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:23 PM

29. He was bleeding so heavily that not a drop got onto his clothes.

Amazing, isn't it?

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:14 PM

25. You don't get to stalk a teenager and kill him for

fighting back. Zimmerman's hands looked pristine after the scuffle. That tells me he didn't even attempt to use them, in spite of claiming he forgot he had a gun.

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:19 PM

26. Zimmerman

Wouldn't have gotten punched in the face if he hadn't stalked and threatened a minor. For all Trayvon knew this guy was child rapist/serial killer following him.

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:19 PM

27. I was a juror on this alert. What a shame 3 of us let it stand. nt

 

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:21 PM

28. Are you joking, Pacafishmate?

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:27 PM

31. Innocent?

Evidently Chris Serino, the Sanford police detective didn't really believe Zimmerman was innocent.

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:31 PM

32. Nothing personal, but if 1 photo definitively proves to you that this guy is innocent

...then no one should really take anything you say very seriously. Also, what place to you come from where it's ok to murder someone for punching you in the face? Thanks.

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:58 PM

33. no, he got his ass kicked by a kid he stalked and murdered

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:39 PM

5. It is outside of the duties of police officers to engage in the obstruction of justice.

 

An aggressive U.S. Attorney might consider charging Chris Serino. That's not going to happen in this case.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:38 PM

16. so Zimmerman was told to stay in his cell

and instead he got out and changed the police report?

Not sure what this has to do with the Zimmerman case, since Zimmerman is the one on trial and not the police.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:23 PM

30. You don't believe that Zimmerman's arrest report has anything to do with Zimmerman'

"Not sure what this has to do with the Zimmerman case..."

You don't believe that Zimmerman's arrest report has anything to do with Zimmerman's case?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:58 AM

39. not really

After all, Zimmerman is not being charged with "tampering with a police report". Nor does whatever happened in the course of filling out and modifying said report change in the slighest the actual events that transpired between Martin and Zimmerman.

What happened on the street is what is being adjudicated, Even if Zimmerman's dad called up and said "dammit, I am a retired court officer from Virginia, and you had better not charge my son with anything" and then after the cops got done rolling on the floor laughing their a$$es off at such a strident demand from a non-entity, and then got up and modified the report, that also does not change what actually happened on the street, nor does it provide the slightest bit of evidence as to what happened on the street.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:51 PM

19. The Chief of Police and the DA thought they had a dead burglar in the morgue....

One they thought they could pin a lot of their unsolved cases on.

I'm thinking Zimmerman's dad helped them come to that erroneous conclusion.

Once they went down that road, freeing Zimmerman on a Stand Your Ground excuse became appealing and so they over rode the initial suggestions of Chris Serino.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:04 PM

21. Doesn't pass the smell test.

More than 2 weeks after the killing, the lead investigator changed his mind about the proper charge while typing at his desk and having his work reviewed by superiors.

One of Serino's supervisors, Sanford police Capt. Bob O'Connor, said in a July 3 interview that everyone in Serino's chain of command agreed with the investigator's conclusion. Serino's direct supervisor, then-Sgt. Randy Smith, also signed the final version.


Sounds like not everyone agreed with Serino's initial assessment and Serino decided to go along to get along.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:07 PM

23. Murderer zimmerman is a deadman walking

 

and that's why he asked the judge in the case to have his GPS-equipped ankle bracelet removed. He knows he'll be convicted in this case of at least manslaughter in this case. Wonder how much his website has brought in by now. Must be quite a temptation to take that money and run...

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:20 PM

34. I'm waiting for the trial.

 

All the speculation that can be made has been made at this point.

I believe this is a rare case of what happens when two people can rightfully fear for their safety from the other in a place they have a right to be. Martin may have had reason to fear for his safety from Zimmerman, and Zimmerman may have had reason to fear from Martin.

Yes, the police told Zimmerman they "did not need" him to follow Martin, but Zimmerman was under no obligation to follow the dispatcher's suggestion, or even an order for that matter.

We may consider it foolish for Zimmerman to take it upon himself to investigate people he considers suspicious in his neighborhood, but it was not illegal for him to do so.

And Martin was clearly aware of being followed and there was a confrontation between Zimmerman and Martin.

We don't know who initiated the confrontation. We may never know.

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Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #34)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:30 PM

36. That is ridiculous!

 

Zimmerman followed the kid and proceeded to get out of his car to confront the kid. Not only that Zimmerman had a concealed weapon on him. Not only that, Zimmerman has a past history of domestic violence! You can proceed?

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Response to John2 (Reply #36)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:46 PM

38. None of that is illegal or even wrong at face value.

 

Zimmerman followed the kid and proceeded to get out of his car to confront the kid.

As I have said before, there is nothing illegal or even wrong about asking someone a stranger in your neighborhood what they are doing there. Note: At face value.

Not only that Zimmerman had a concealed weapon on him.

This is irrelevant. Zimmerman was lawfully carrying a concealed weapon. There is nothing illegal or even wrong about carrying a concealed weapon and asking someone what they are doing.

Not only that, Zimmerman has a past history of domestic violence!

While it does not paint a good picture of Zimmerman's past behavior, it does not necessarily reflect on the events of that night.

Again, I'm waiting for the trial to make any further judgements.

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