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Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:10 AM

State Senate passes bill allowing doctors to refuse care for moral or ethical reasons

This proposed bill, as well as the other bills that I have heard the Michigan state legislature has been working on/passing in the lame duck session, are beyond horrifying. It is hard to believe that there is actually a state legislature and Governor out there worse then Oklahoma's and my deepest sympathy goes out to the members of DU living in Michigan. How on earth do we deal with legislatures like this?


A bill in the state Legislature would let health care providers, facilities, or insurers deny service based on religious, moral or ethical objections. The state Senate passed the bill Thursday.

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Critics of the bill say it would let entire health systems deny care.

Democratic state Senator Rebekah Warren said the measure is dangerous, and goes beyond protecting individual doctors’ rights.

“Some religions don’t believe in blood transfusions. If you have a health care condition where you need a blood transfusion and you have no one on staff who’s willing to give that for you, where do you stand?” said Warren.

Others worry that the bill would effectively sanction discrimination.

http://www.michiganradio.org/post/state-senate-passes-bill-allowing-doctors-refuse-care-moral-or-ethical-reasons


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Reply State Senate passes bill allowing doctors to refuse care for moral or ethical reasons (Original post)
avebury Dec 2012 OP
OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #1
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #8
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #14
OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #15
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #17
randr Dec 2012 #2
Ninga Dec 2012 #3
SoCalNative Dec 2012 #4
rurallib Dec 2012 #5
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #7
ProSense Dec 2012 #13
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #6
WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #9
get the red out Dec 2012 #10
Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #11
ProSense Dec 2012 #12
Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #18
Initech Dec 2012 #16
muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #19

Response to avebury (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:12 AM

1. Ten years ago I would never have believed these kinds of actions to be even remotely possible. nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:11 AM

8. There are a lot of truly fucked up states/places in the US today. When I was a kid this would have

been unbelievable, anything, even remotely like this. The problem I see is the loonies continue to rise up to higher levels of authority and power because often "we the people" do not pay enough attention to whom we are really voting for. It's ugly, dangerous and crap like this will eventually take this country under with respect to freedom and any sense of privacy and autonomy ... and basic human rights and humanity. In this state, Kansas, they would love to have a theocratic dystopia.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:16 AM

14. Ten years ago and more, they happened every day and nobody cared

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:21 AM

15. Not to this extent. nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:22 PM

17. Actually it was much worse

according to my mother who was an RN. The level of bias and choosing not to provide care was rampant and accepted.

What has happened is that as more laws and transparency evolved, they are now trying to officially protect what has always been going on informally.

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Response to avebury (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:13 AM

2. So much for the Hypocratic Oath----

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Response to avebury (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:14 AM

3. We must do all we can to recover from this slippery slope the GOP is taking us down. Evangalize and

organize!

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Response to avebury (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:17 AM

4. The new Michigan state motto should be

"We're crazier than Florida, Texas AND Arizona."

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Response to avebury (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:38 AM

5. this is truly fucking insane

a group of supposedly educated adults would actually vote for something like this is bordering on the unbelievable.
And now the governor has shown that he is every bit as insane as those who voted for it.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:58 AM

7. See #6. n/t

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Response to rurallib (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:48 AM

13. Yes, some

"supposedly educated adults" are "truly fucking insane."

The OP is proof.

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Response to avebury (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:56 AM

6. They tried to do similar in Kansas. It made it through the teabagger house, the teabagger governor

would have surely signed it ... What blocked it was the democratic senate, now gone with the 2012 elections, and the entire state has a rightwing teabagger government courtesy of the Koch Brothers.

If it comes up again in Kansas, and I'm sure it will, it will get passed with flying colors.

Also, in Kansas, they voted to keep LGBT a criminal offense.

Lovely place.



The Governor of Brownbackistan, Sam Brownback. http://brownbackistan.wordpress.com/

HOUSE APPROVES: Does Kansas Law Legalize Discrimination?

NOTE: This even includes the right to refuse medical treatment if one thought the patient did not agree with their religious beliefs or somehow violated their religious beliefs / freedom of religion.

http://www.advocate.com/news/daily-news/2012/03/29/house-approves-kansas-law-legalize-discrimination

Kansas lawmakers voted overwhelmingly today to pass a bill that opponents say legalizes discrimination against gays and lesbians.

Members of both parties joined together in the House on the 89-27 vote, according to the Lawrence Journal-World. If the Senate follows suit and Governor Sam Brownback signs the bill, as he has indicted, then anyone could opt out of anti-discrimination laws that protect gays and lesbians by claiming they violate their "religious freedom."

For example, an employer could fire someone if they discovered the employee was gay. Or a landlord could kick a renter out of their home. The religious exemption extends past places of business to universities, where students or instructors could opt out of a school's anti-discrimination policy.


The idea for the bill, called the "Kansas Preservation of Religious Freedom Act," came in reaction to the college town of Lawrence passing an anti-discrimination ordinance that included sexual orientation. The new state law would nullify that and any other local anti-discrimination ordinance that included sexual orientation by granting citizens the right to opt out if they felt it conflicted with their religious beliefs.

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Response to avebury (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:24 AM

10. This is where religion goes

They wish to see people suffer, that's what they are about now.

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Response to avebury (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:28 AM

11. We need to make sure we never have another (R) Governor here. EVER!

The Gerrymandering is killing us as far as the legislature goes. Nothing can be done about that in the short term. We just need to keep that below a veto proof majority in at least one house, then take the Governorship and never let it go.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:44 AM

12. Here's the sad

fact: This is the end result of redistricting: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021971150

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Response to ProSense (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:22 PM

18. I watch Rachel too.

Also why I said there is nothing we can do about that for now.

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Response to avebury (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:16 PM

16. We need a constitutional amendment banning the tea party.

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Response to avebury (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:22 PM

19. Examples of the bigotry this could enable

Refusal of pregnancy care to an unmarried mother
Refusal of paediatric care to the child of a gay couple
Refusal of care to an overweight person
Refusal of care to an alcoholic
Refusal of contraceptive advice (I don't know, is that already allowed by some idiotic law?)
Refusal of treatment for HIV

This goes far beyond the unlikely "I don't believe in transfusions" example the article gives. There are significant sects that have 'moral and ethical' objections that already have many qualified doctors and nurses. Hell, the RC church owns many of the hospitals in the country, and they have prejudices against unmarried mothers and gay people.

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