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Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:05 PM

Mr. President, remember that history will record it was you who raised the Medicare age !

An act that brought early death to countless Americans and politically crippled the Democratic Party.

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Reply Mr. President, remember that history will record it was you who raised the Medicare age ! (Original post)
RagAss Dec 2012 OP
pnwmom Dec 2012 #1
DirkGently Dec 2012 #10
pnwmom Dec 2012 #11
DirkGently Dec 2012 #12
pnwmom Dec 2012 #24
DonViejo Dec 2012 #27
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #14
DirkGently Dec 2012 #17
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #23
democrattotheend Dec 2012 #19
DirkGently Dec 2012 #20
DonViejo Dec 2012 #28
spanone Dec 2012 #31
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #2
RagAss Dec 2012 #4
former-republican Dec 2012 #7
PragmaticLiberal Dec 2012 #15
democrattotheend Dec 2012 #21
leftstreet Dec 2012 #3
gateley Dec 2012 #5
RagAss Dec 2012 #6
satxdem Dec 2012 #8
democrattotheend Dec 2012 #22
satxdem Dec 2012 #25
jberryhill Dec 2012 #9
DirkGently Dec 2012 #13
jberryhill Dec 2012 #16
DirkGently Dec 2012 #18
limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #26
DonViejo Dec 2012 #29
democrattotheend Dec 2012 #30
limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #33
Sadiedog Dec 2012 #32

Response to RagAss (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:05 PM

1. When did he do that? n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:03 PM

10. July, 2011.

According to five separate sources with knowledge of negotiations -- including both Republicans and Democrats -- the president offered an increase in the eligibility age for Medicare, from 65 to 67, in exchange for Republican movement on increasing tax revenues.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/obama-medicare-eligibility-age_n_894833.html

Credit to DUer KPete for posting this then.

The GOP proposal itself revives a host of ideas from failed talks with Obama in the summer of 2011. Then, Obama was willing to discuss politically risky ideas such as raising the eligibility age for Medicare, implementing a new inflation adjustment for Social Security cost-of-living adjustments and requiring wealthier Medicare recipients to pay more for their benefits.

http://swampland.time.com/2012/12/04/obama-boehner-to-meet-with-governors-on-fiscal-cliff/



Really, it's time to stop acting like Obama's willingness to cut social programs is a hallucination. He talks the beltway talk about it. Always has. So it not only isn't crazy or mean or rightwingy to keep warning him not to, it is a necessity.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:09 PM

11. Politically, Obama's in a much stronger position now. They missed their chance. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:12 PM

12. I hope he sees it that way. The most recent article I saw


talking about this said that his past offer to raise the eligibility age is undermining current negotiations. Couldn't find that when I went back and looked. But negotiation does work that way. If you've already said you'd give something, it's taken as a given that it's still on the table, somewhere.

This is why Democrats and liberals SHOULD be yelling about this now, rather than simply giving Obama the benefit of the doubt.

He doesn't need our faith. He isn't a deity. He's a politician. He needs public opinion to tell him what to do.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:27 AM

24. Of course that's what the Rethugs are saying. But it doesn't. Obama has the advantage now. n/t

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:05 PM

27. Durbin: White House No Longer Considering Raising the Medicare Age

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:24 PM

14. In other words, he hasn't

Thanks for posting that.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:30 PM

17. That interpretation requires some magical thinking.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:48 PM

23. Nope. It just needs a working brain and basic reading comprehension skills.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:32 PM

19. I don't think "warning" him is the right approach

He can't run again. So we don't have much leverage as liberal netroots activists. A far better approach is to do what we can to turn public opinion against this and use all of the channels the White House has set up for communication to send respectful emails and comments about why we think this is a bad idea. Especially good are personal stories about how you or someone you know will be effected. I think it's a good idea to add a line about how he can't really want to be remembered as the president who does this. The point is, the message has to come from more than just a bunch of angry bloggers.

What gives me hope is that while he's not as liberal as I want him to be, President Obama is usually sensible and doesn't want to support something that doesn't make sense. And multiple studies have shown recently why this doesn't make sense. Like you said, he doesn't want his legacy to be the president who threw Grandma out in the street. I would like to also believe he genuinely cares about not hurting poor seniors, but that is besides the point.

Remember, in 2011, the Supreme Court had not yet ruled that the states could opt out of the Medicaid expansion. So the president believed that at least the poorest seniors ages 65-67 would have a fallback. Hopefully that, combined with his stronger political position, the studies showing that it won't save much money, and pressure from a broad swath of the American people will be enough to convince him not to do this.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:34 PM

20. A better term would be "pressure." Point being blind faith is a bit stupid.


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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:08 PM

28. Time to move on to a different issue...

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:16 PM

31. that was then.

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Response to RagAss (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:06 PM

2. When did that happen?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:07 PM

4. It's being heavily considered. Not something I pulled out of my hat.

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Response to RagAss (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:16 PM

7. I need to hear it out of his mouth

 

not some of the political pundits.

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Response to former-republican (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:25 PM

15. It's true.

From what I've heard, the administration believes that the ACA would take up the slack.


I can't remember all the details but this was discussed on Ed Schultz last week.


Personally, I'm not super concerned because I think ultimately we're headed for single payer.

And I don't think it's that far off either,,,,,,,

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Response to PragmaticLiberal (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:34 PM

21. They believed that in 2011

Before the Supreme Court ruled that states could opt out. They may not still believe that. But keep up the public pressure...he needs to see how much opposition there is, and not just the usual suspects. We need to get small business owners who would be harmed by this to speak up about how much it would cost their business.

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Response to RagAss (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:06 PM

3. We won't be writing the history books

The Ruling Class does, and will

He'll be remembered as the first African American US President. Period

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:07 PM

5. The first Muslim President.

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Response to gateley (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:08 PM

6. LOL !

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:24 PM

8. and other things?

Healthcare reform, bin laden, first president to come out in favor of sam sex marriage, repealing dadt, hate crimes act, nuclear arms treaties and etc. Being black will be on there, along with many more thing. Being black isn't the only thing he has done as president.

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Response to satxdem (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:35 PM

22. Thank you!

I am glad someone here remembers his accomplishments instead of throwing in the towel based on something he might do (but seems open to being persuaded not to do).

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:51 PM

25. No problem.

I had to say something, I get tired of hearing that all Obama has done was be black in the whitehouse. Republicans love saying it, it is even sadder to hear from democrats. You don't have to support him, but to act as if he's done nothing is foolish. But I suppose I am bias because I support the president.

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Response to RagAss (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:35 PM

9. And the first one to bomb Canada!

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:17 PM

13. That would work better as snark, if


he'd offered to bomb Canada last year.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:28 PM

16. Yeah? At least I have a link. You don't


http://www.politicususa.com/Beck-Obama-Canada.html

On his FNC program today Glenn Beck claimed that Barack Obama is going to bomb the Canadian oil pipelines to nationalize the oil and gas industries

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:31 PM

18. I have two. All I had time for. The little arrow scrolls up and down.

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Response to RagAss (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:56 PM

26. I heard that Dick Durbin heard from someone that Obama said it's off the table until 2013.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:10 PM

29. It's in the Breaking News forum...

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:15 PM

30. Did he say until 2013?

I thought he said it wasn't being considered now...he didn't say never but I didn't see anything about him saying specifically "until 2013."

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:33 PM

33. I don't know what he said. I guess Dick Durbin heard it from someone.

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Response to RagAss (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:25 PM

32. I seem to remember a time when no Politician would dream of discussing cuts

to either SS or Medicare. What changed? Are they no longer as concerned with older voters?

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