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Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:54 PM

Teamsters President Warns Of Brewing ‘Civil War’ In Michigan

The fight over union rights in Michigan has some peoples’ blood absolutely boiling, and Teamsters Union President James Hoffa is chief among them.

“This is just the first round of a battle that’s going to divide this state,” Hoffa told CNN on Tuesday. “We’re going to have a civil war in this state because this has been passed by a lame duck legislature.”

Michigan, which has been strongly pro-union since the founding of the United Autoworkers Union in 1935, became on Tuesday a so-called “right to work” state, which means workers are not required to pay union dues. Republicans in the statehouse passed the bills this week surrounded by angry protesters outside the Capitol.

“There was no debate,” Hoffa insisted. “This was done in five days, it was not approved by the people of the state of Michigan. If anything, it should have been on the ballot. This was a monumental decision to make and for it to be done by outgoing senators and state legislators is a tremendous mistake. What they are doing here is basically betraying democracy. If there’s any question here, let’s put it on the ballot, let the people of Michigan decide what’s good for Michigan.”

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Purveyor Dec 2012 OP
DRS Dec 2012 #1
fascisthunter Dec 2012 #2
teamster633 Dec 2012 #3
Odin2005 Dec 2012 #12
socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #4
TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #5
awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #20
Brickbat Dec 2012 #6
doc03 Dec 2012 #7
Flatulo Dec 2012 #19
doc03 Dec 2012 #21
Flatulo Dec 2012 #22
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #8
Brigid Dec 2012 #9
Marrah_G Dec 2012 #11
Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #10
Odin2005 Dec 2012 #13
Politicub Dec 2012 #14
TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #15
Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #16
BlueJazz Dec 2012 #17
eShirl Dec 2012 #26
adirondacker Dec 2012 #18
Cha Dec 2012 #23
Resonance_Chamber Dec 2012 #24
DiverDave Dec 2012 #25
GermanSmoker Dec 2012 #27
Laelth Dec 2012 #28

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Response to DRS (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:08 PM

2. Union Thug?

awwwww.... poor,poor richie poo suck-up.

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:12 PM

3. Let's see if he makes it to 8...

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:11 PM

12. Must be the same 'Bagger who ranted about "union thugs"...

...on another forum I frequent.

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Response to DRS (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:13 PM

4. Yeah. And fucking PROUD OF IT...........

Fucking scabs.

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Response to DRS (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:14 PM

5. Taking food from people's mouths and putting dents into futures is violence

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:27 PM

20. People don't realize it is class warfare...

and we have been losing it for 30 years.

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Response to DRS (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:14 PM

6. Fuck off.

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Response to DRS (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:14 PM

7. What about when some SOB steals your pension? What about when

some SOB lays you off and sends your job to China? What about when some SOB locks you out of your job for 10 1/2 months? What about some SOB that does the same work as you gets paid the same and has all the benefits of a union and refuses to pay dues? What about the Pinkertons that busted peoples heads and shot them because they went on strike. What about the US government sending in the National Guard when we tried organizing unions? Is that violence?

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Response to doc03 (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:25 PM

19. LOL, my job has been sent to China 3 times, and I'm going to have to look up 'pension'

in the dictionary.

I wish I did have union protections, but engineers in the private sector are rarely if ever organized.

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Response to Flatulo (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:35 PM

21. I worked almost 40 years in one company, went through two bankruptcies,

two lockouts 100 days and 10 1/2 months, had a DB pension dropped on the PBGC and another DC pension terminated and my health insurance was terminated in September. Luckily I can get Medicare early next year. My plant shut down during the Bush depression and is probably going to be melted down for scrap.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:49 PM

22. Lots of stories like ours. Thankfully I understood early in my career that I was on my own

and I worked hard to put away a bunch of money. Plus I bought a shitty little house and paid it off after 10 years. I'll survive, but barely.

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Response to DRS (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:15 PM

8. Enjoy your brief stay

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Response to DRS (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:28 PM

9. *Sniff sniff*

Do I smell pizza?

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Response to DRS (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:30 PM

11. Wrong website sparky

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:29 PM

10. Solidarity. Any means necessary. nt

 

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:13 PM

13. We are defending ourselves from the 1%.

To all the RW fuck-turds who rant about "union thugs", GO TO HELL.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:15 PM

14. The GOP is taking the bread from the people's hands.

They are smashing dreams of union workers being able to give their kids a better life.

They're putting families on the street by removing the ability to pay for rent and mortgages.

The term overreach was invented for a reason.

I hope the GOP reaps the whirlwind.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:15 PM

15. They really pulled a fast one. I hope they don't

get away with it.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:22 PM

16. My Grandfather was a Shop Stewart for the Teamsters.

I grew up around those guys. They mean what the say.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:24 PM

17. I'm afraid some blood will be spilled before this thing is over.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:48 AM

26. Frankly, I'm suprised it's gone on this long without it.

decades

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:26 PM

18. because a picture is worth a thousand words....a picture with words...

priceless.


haven't seen it in a while and seems so appropriate.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:31 AM

23. Good Sign! They were Betrayed in Michigan.. the Workers'

Rights and Lives are being fucked with. You don't forget that.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/101786053

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:49 AM

24. Facta, Non Verba!

 

Lots of people are very upset about this yet which is understandable but IMHO it is mostly lip service.

When the question was asked yesterday ....How many here own or lease a union made car?....the vast majority of respondants BAD mouthed the union companies to justify the scab built purchase they made. Which is thier right and choice howver if you calim to suport workers you also have to actually do it.

The purahace or non union made products undermines union workers.




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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:09 AM

25. I know where MI. is.

Just give out the call I can be there in 14 hours

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:17 AM

27. How can it be legal?

To force people to pay union fees when they are not even members? Before i heard a few years ago about "Right to work laws" and so on i always thought only members had to pay. I would be suprised if this happens anywhere outside the USA.
Ok talk is easy for me cause i live in a country that has universal healthcare since the 19th century. So in my opinion the introduction of FDR's "Second Bill of Rights" would benefit workers way more than any union can.

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Response to GermanSmoker (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:33 AM

28. FDR's Second Bill of Rights should be adopted, agreed.

But there is no way Congress could or would adopt it in the current political climate in the United States.

As for forcing people to pay union dues if they decide to take a job at a closed shop (all unionized workers), that's entirely legal here, and it makes good sense. Nobody is "forced" to pay union dues in the United States. If a person agrees to accept employment at a closed shop, that person is agreeing to pay union dues. If that person does not want to pay union dues, that person is free to not accept employment at a closed shop.

-Laelth

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