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Holiday message: Atheists dub Jesus a 'myth' on Times Square billboard

Keep the MERRY, Dump the MYTH



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Response to DaniDubois (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:48 PM

1. Here's one of the best things I saw on Facebook:

Christianity: Sending telepathic messages to a Jewish ghost letting him know that you will accept him as your master and ask him to remove a magical curse that was passed down to you because an old woman that was made from the rib of her partner ate a piece of magical fruit from a magical tree because a talking snake told her to.

As me again why I'm an atheist?

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:51 PM

2. That sums up nicely...

What I've not been able to put into words myself.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:53 PM

3. Come on, it all makes perfect sense

if you don't actually think about it.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:01 PM

68. I was religious when I was younger

until I gave a lot of thought to it!

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Response to marlakay (Reply #68)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 03:50 AM

327. hrmm...

Even Einstein believed in some sort of a higher power, I guess he just didn't think about it enough.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:54 PM

4. Zombie.

He's a zombie, not a ghost.

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Response to DireStrike (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:10 PM

40. Technically, he's a lich



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Response to pokerfan (Reply #40)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:16 PM

45. Very educational!

Thank you.

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Response to pokerfan (Reply #40)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:06 PM

71. Bloody brilliant n/t

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Response to pokerfan (Reply #40)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:07 AM

126. Someone that understands undead.

 

Beautiful.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #126)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:23 AM

172. Each of the undead is special in his or her own way

A good thing to keep in mind this holiday season.

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Response to pokerfan (Reply #40)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:38 PM

223. So basically he was Voldemort?

Or someone very like Voldemort?

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #227)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:34 PM

248. J.K. Rowlng's take on a traditional lich's phylactery

I'm not sure why she changed the name, because the general concept is the same.

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #248)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:23 PM

255. I know what a Horcrux is, I was just wondering what Jesus would use as a Horcrux.

Voldemort had Riddle's Diary, Gaunt's Ring, Slytherin's Locket, Hufflepuff's Cup, Ravenclaw's Diadem, Nagini, and of course the unintentional Horcrux, Harry Potter.

What would Jesus use?

The Last Supper cup (aka the Holy Grail?)

The Spear of Longinus?

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #255)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:24 PM

256. Hmm maybe a part of the cross?

Either that or the Holy Grail would be my best guess.

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #256)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:40 PM

259. D'oh! I self-deleted the wrong post!

I thought at the time I replied to the wrong post.

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #256)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:50 AM

285. The nails would be good!

Though IIRC, one of the nails allegedly was integrated into the Spear of Destiny, aka the Lance of Longinus.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #223)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:46 PM

229. Voldermort was loosely based off the concept of a lich.

J.K. Rowling changed the terms around. Substituting the older term of Phylactery which was a device a lich used to store it's sole for her term of Horcrux. Is it clear I spend way too much time on this stuff?

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #229)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:08 PM

244. Wikipedia has a lich list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_liches

Yesterday, I didn't even know what a lich was; today I'm an expert.

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Response to DireStrike (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:48 PM

92. No. Zombies eat people.

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Response to musical_soul (Reply #92)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:35 PM

257. And Xians eat the (symbolic) body & blood of Jeebus.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #257)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 03:26 AM

323. inaccurate

They don't all practice communion, only certain denominations do. That's like saying all Muslims are Sunni, not even close to being true. This is why it pays to have some education on the things you claim that you don't care about; but, seem to have an uncontrollable urge to make fun of all of the time.

I had a science teacher who use to make fun of Star Trek all of the time; but, all the things he remarked about as being implausible, either exist now or are popular theories in modern science. I bet he retired from comedy.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:39 PM

5. It makes you wonder doesn't it? I can't wrap my head around it, but know many who do and

 

They're not very pleased with this advertisement.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:01 PM

7. Freaking Perfect

Thanks for that

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:38 PM

21. so much women-hating in old religions.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:16 PM

44. Love it!

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:34 PM

83. +1000000

 

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:21 AM

169. That's perfect!

Lol!

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:37 AM

331. Just copied and pasted (with light editing) for my FB timeline. Many

 

thanks (and Season's Greetings).

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Response to DaniDubois (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:59 PM

6. So keep the commercial and dump the spiritual

 

I guess that serves Wall Street.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:04 PM

8. Sounds rather Republican, doesn't it?

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Response to cordelia (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:10 PM

9. It sounds very corporate-facist, actually

 

Santa Claus serves the corporations by giving a reason for frenzied, underpaid citizens to spend more than they have on corporate junk.

Those whose Christmas is truly spiritual have no need of corporations, and the stockholders can't have that.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:46 PM

265. So, if Santa didn''t exist, there wouldn't be a reason to buy presents for lived ones?

Santa is a result, not a cause. Lighten up.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #265)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 08:12 PM

266. Without Santa Claus mythology, there would be no reason for kids to have unreasonable expectations

 

While Santa may have started as a real saint (St. Nicholas) or an old Europe folk figure who gave out fruits or small gifts (Father Christmas, Sinterklaas), the American Santa Claus has become the symbol of consumerism run rampant. Holiday greed becomes "good" greed as children are encouraged to ask for more than they possibly can use (or than their parents can afford) since "Santa Claus" will be paying the tab. Parents who can't (or won't) deliver the goods risk having their children feel rejected by this great mythological creature, who gave expensive video games to their friends but not to them.

There is a reason that the retail sector relies on the semiotics of Santa Claus. Santa Claus appeals to children and makes their greed OK. Parents do not want to risk their children's sadness at being slighted by Santa Claus and will spend money they don't have. Macy's, Toys R Us, and Target make a fortune.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #266)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 03:33 AM

324. well actually

I know many religious families who do not practice traditional holidays and in the last decade I have seen the numbers increase. It's not that they don't believe in the message of those holidays; they just see them for what they are in society. A glorified marketing scheme. I happen to agree with their views. It's funny when you can come eye to eye with religious folks, when you aren't religious yourself like I am.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:08 PM

273. Yes makes you wonder who thought of it. Spiritual is not popular in our society.

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Response to cordelia (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:18 PM

47. Sounds Republican? Republicans are all about jesus and spirits.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:21 PM

11. You can "make merry" and spend little or no money

The whole point of the Crachetts (sic) in "A Christmas Carol."

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:25 PM

12. Ah, but the Cratchit's were religious.

"God bless us everyone".

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Response to cbayer (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:30 PM

15. Yes, they were

 

When you empty a religious holiday of its spiritual content, it's just another money-making opportunity for corporate America and another debt-inducing ritual for the rest of us.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:40 PM

24. There is more to the holidays than black Friday and Jesus Christ.

I purchase very few gifts and don't attend church and I usually have a great Christmas.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:51 PM

29. The atheists who put up that sign would disagree with you

 

They're not informed about alternatives.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:19 PM

49. From the posts you have made, it would seem that it is you who are not informed.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #49)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:31 AM

114. Actually, the atheists who put up that sign are not informed that there is an alternative

 

They give two stark choices: commercialism or religion. Look at their sign.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #114)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:36 AM

121. I really do not see what you do.

I see Santa and Jesus, two myths. I see the words "Keep the merry...", which to me means the 'spirit of the season' or 'keep the feel good part'.

And I see the words "Drop the myth", which to me means drop the make believe.

Together, the words and the pictures, describe to me, the opposite of what you see. I feel that it is your cynicism that is showing you what you want to see.


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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #121)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:45 AM

284. You see two myths; I see two value systems.

 

And the bankrupt value system is what is being upheld.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:57 PM

66. No,

It's says, "Keep the MERRY".

That's what I do.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #66)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:33 AM

115. The "merry" on their sign is not about family, friends, or giving. It's about Santa Claus, a symbol

 

of the commercialism that makes us all poor at the holidays.

Nice try, though.

Merry Christmas.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #115)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:36 AM

147. Strange semiosis you have there

Most people would see Santa as a symbol of sharing gifts and fun.

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Response to dmallind (Reply #147)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:51 AM

286. The semiotics of the Coca-Cola created Santa image is very clear

 

Think about how the Santa Claus myth actually operates at Christmas, how it encourages juvenile greed and consumerism. Greed becomes a good thing for children at Christmas because, after all, the gifts are on "Santa's" dime and kids can ask big. Overextended parents are forced to spend money they don't have to satisfy this greed because they have to preserve the illusion that "Santa Claus" is giving the child what he or she deserves for being good. If parents can't financially afford the Santa illusion, their children wonder why Santa gave their friends video games and computers but left them socks.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #286)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:49 AM

292. Santa is only about that if you let it

My kids never dictated what we bought for them. They never got what they wanted just because Santa said so. When they were little we would generally get several gifts for each of them. Christmas and birthdays were usually the only time of the year we bought them toys. But now that they are older they don't get many gifts, and we don't buy presents for adults either. This year we are buying our son two video games and we are giving our daughter some cash because she is saving for a car. That is all we are spending on Christmas.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #115)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:36 AM

148. It should be noted

That the figure of Santa Claus far, far predates modern, corporate, commercial christmas. Though Santa first appears in the States around 1820, the figure most directly derives from the Dutch Sinterklaas has been around since the 16th century, who in turn is based on St Nicolas (" Saint Nick"), a 13th century Christian figure. As well, certain parts of the Santa mythos are based on myths about Odin - during the Yule, he would lead a hunting party through the sky (a sleigh pulled by reindeer), for example.

So, no. Santa isn't about Walmart and fucking Coke bottles to everyone.

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Response to theKed (Reply #148)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:01 AM

287. The precursors to the corporate Santa did not require parents to buy tons of gifts in his name

 

The precursors were Sinterflaas, Father Christmas, and other related old male figures (often representing winter or the old passing year). In towns and villages, an older male might dress up as Father Christmas (or similar character) and give out pieces of fruit or a few candies.

The modern corporate Santa is a creation of American marketing (see Coca Cola, Santa, image) and exists for the sheer purpose of parting parents from their hard-earned (or borrowed) money. Santa Claus is what keeps kids asking for many expensive gifts (based on commercials they see). Since the gifts are "on Santa's dime" the kids can indulge their greed. Parents then must go and buy at least some of these items, often on credit cards, to preserve the illusion of Santa Claus. In hard times, parents are hard pressed to explain to their children why Santa gave so little to them but brought expensive electronics to their friends.

I am all for ending the myth of Santa Claus. It supports corporate profits and undermines real values.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #115)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:16 AM

167. Uh Oh.

I better not wear my Santa hat then. Thanks for defining it for me. You save me from some serious embarrassment.

Merry Christmas to you too.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #167)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:03 AM

288. You may wear whatever you wish

 

Unless you look bad in red, in which case I would go with another color.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:46 PM

90. Yeah, they must be idiots.

And you must be a mind reader.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #90)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:34 AM

116. Their poster speaks their opinion. I don't have to read their minds.

 

Look at the poster.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:43 PM

25. I agree. I think this billboard was not well thought out.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:55 PM

31. It's quite simplistic in its thinking, actually

 

I would have had more respect for them if they had put up a sign telling people to use the holiday to help out the needy and less fortunate, a value that everyone shares, regardless of religion or lack thereof. If they had said, "You don't need a religion to help others during the season" with a picture of people helping the homeless, I could have really gotten behind the sentiment.

This billboard, to me, sounds more like, "Dump your God, but keep your reason for spending."

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #31)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:04 PM

38. Much better. Something like, one doesn't need christ to share the spirit

of christmas.

I think their billboards do much better when they send an affirming and welcoming message than when they take the opportunity to attack theists.

This one misses the mark, imo.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #38)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:11 PM

42. I agree.

 

Bringing out the best in what we are is the ultimate goal of spirituality anyway.

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #42)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:21 PM

50. Yeah, and I have some beachfront property in Nevada to sell you, too.

But you keep telling yourself whatever it is that you need to.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #50)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:35 AM

117. That makes no sense

 

LOL!

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #117)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:09 AM

157. Sure it does, it's just over your head.

LOL!

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #157)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:45 PM

197. Ad hominem arguments don't help your case

 

They just make you look like you're taking this personally.

I gather that you have some deep-seated feelings about religion that are not to be dealt with in a single thread.

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