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Wed Dec 12, 2012, 03:41 PM

So a lot of people are proclaiming the death of the Occupy movement.

They seem to be a pretty vocal lot. Wow, there's a bunch of them who seem to have been dipping pretty deeply into the M$M Kool-aid.

It has always amazed me how ready they are to write off Occupy. On the one hand, they screech about the failures of central planning (which in fact they're right about--while not noticing that WalMart is a classic example of Central Planning, corporate-style that stays in power only by recourse to bullying tactics, just like the old Soviet Government), while on the other they don't get how leaderless organizations are learning to function without bureaucracy.

OWS is a Grand Experiment, and has already done more than we can yet comprehend to change the direction of public discourse. The refocusing of attention off the deficit onto inequality and injustice was remarkable. Like with Mark Twain, the reports of the death of OWS "are greatly exaggerated." Crowdsourcing, widespread access to one-to-many communication networks, etc. are the wave of the future, the outgrowth of the social media. Watching today's world, in which all these forces are yet in their infancy, I can't help but think I'm actually watching the birth of Tielhard de Chardin's "noŲsphere," a new level of organization with emergent properties, concerning which we as yet have no inkling.

Asking who's in charge of OWS is a lot like asking who's in charge of the Internet. Or asking which neuron is in charge of your brain. Anyone who thinks these are sensible questions clearly has no grasp of the new reality.

We are, as has always been the case in our species history, in a race between the best and worst elements of our natures. Only this time the stakes are incredibly greater, and the time frame more pressing upon us, than ever before. Personally, I'm betting on the New Reality, and I think it's crucibles like the Arab & Wisconsin Springs, the Occupy movement, and the Michigan actions that are shaping the templates for things to come.

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Reply So a lot of people are proclaiming the death of the Occupy movement. (Original post)
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 OP
Drale Dec 2012 #1
Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #2
randome Dec 2012 #4
smokey nj Dec 2012 #5
randome Dec 2012 #7
smokey nj Dec 2012 #8
randome Dec 2012 #9
woo me with science Dec 2012 #3
mmonk Dec 2012 #6
Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #10
mmonk Dec 2012 #13
woo me with science Dec 2012 #17
Rex Dec 2012 #11
smokey nj Dec 2012 #12
applegrove Dec 2012 #14
Taverner Dec 2012 #15
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #16

Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 03:47 PM

1. The same people think that the tea party is going to have a second coming

so yeah now how credible do those people look?

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:05 PM

2. "OWS is dead" = "We're afraid of real, actual positive Change".

 

Let them believe whatever they wish. OWS is busy doing things. Any interested might check the Topics/Activism/OccupyUnderground forum for threads such as "Epic Video of @OccupySandy hub making 5-10,000 hot meals a day, training over 20,000 volunteers:".

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:07 PM

4. The embedded reporter in various Occupy groups thinks it's dead, too.

Was she afraid? It doesn't sound like it.

http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/12/a-eulogy-for-occupy/all/

Because the GA had no way to reject force, over time it fell to force. Proposals won by intimidation; bullies carried the day. What began as a way to let people reform and remake themselves had no mechanism for dealing with them when they didnít. It had no way to deal with parasites and predators. It became a diseased process, pushing out the weak and quiet it had meant to enfranchise until it finally collapsed when nothing was left but predators trying to rip out each otherís throats.

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Response to randome (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:09 PM

5. The camps are gone, but the movement lives on. Ask people in Brooklyn, on Staten Island and the

Rockaways, and parts of the Jersey shore if Occupy is dead.

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Response to smokey nj (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:13 PM

7. You'd have to be blind to not acknowledge the movement goes on.

But did it reach so little of its potential that it can still be considered dead even though parts of it live on?

That's what the reporter is saying. All I'm saying is that people who point out the obvious are not automatically 'afraid' of anything.

We were told the GA was the solution to all our problems. Look at the block quote above. Do you disagree with it?

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Response to randome (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:15 PM

8. You and the reporter are wrong. Occupy is alive and well.

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Response to smokey nj (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:16 PM

9. Okay, then.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:07 PM

3. Not really a lot.

It seems to be the same, predictable few, over and over.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:11 PM

6. We'll see as more cuts come through and more injustice continues.

If it does, another form will rise.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:17 PM

10. I believe the unprecedented amount of strikes in the last month

 

(Walmart, the biggest employer), NYC fast food, the LA and Long Beach, California port strikes, the Union marches upon the Michigan capitol, the Chicago teacher's union a couple of months ago...strikes are not new, but their sheer number plus the Occupy-like slogans show that the message has hit home, as the rich hit back in their increasing lust for power and domination.

I believe we are witnessing a Trend. A most singularly beautiful Trend.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:22 PM

13. Yes. A trend that must not die.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:17 PM

11. Not a lot, just a few with an agenda

to keep the status quo for some reason or another. Funny that.

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Response to Rex (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:19 PM

12. One of whom is stinking up this thread.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:39 PM

14. It was Occupy that defined the the

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99% in people's hearts. And people really liked belonging to such a great big group after years of the GOP slicing and dicing Americans up and playing people off against each other. The 99% meme was deeply ingrained inside the majority of Americans when Romney's 47% comments became public: the complete opposite of what Occupy's 99% meant to the country. Why Romney was rejected so. Why Occupy will live on. The idea of people working together for a better future was found in Obama's 'we're all in this together' adage. Occupy was a very important part of Obama's 2012 win. IMHO

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:52 PM

15. Occupy Worked, and it has changed

 

Consider Occupy Sandy.

OWS might be dead as a protest, but the occupy movement is still running, just different now.

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Response to Taverner (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:04 PM

16. Exactly. It is evolving.

If the GA stopped working, then people would figure out ways to change the process.

I keep coming back to The Starfish and the Spider.

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