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Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:18 AM

Ah well - Morrissey blames royal family for nurse's death

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/dec/12/morrissey-royal-family-nurse-death
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Morrissey has blamed the royal family for the suspected suicide of Jacintha Saldanha. The singer accused the royals of "staggering arrogance" following the death of Saldanha, a nurse who was tricked by two Australian DJs into revealing details of the Duchess of Cambridge's pregnancy.

"It wasn't because of two DJs in Australia that this woman took her own life, it was the pressure around her," Morrissey told New Zealand's 3News. While much of this stress can be blamed on the press, he said, or the "maximum pressure … the Palace and Clarence House," he called on the duchess to take direct responsibility.

" was in the hospital, as far as I could see, for absolutely no reason," the singer said. "She feels no shame about the death of this woman, she's saying nothing about the death of this poor woman. The arrogance of the British royals is absolutely staggering."
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Reply Ah well - Morrissey blames royal family for nurse's death (Original post)
malaise Dec 2012 OP
CBGLuthier Dec 2012 #1
cali Dec 2012 #26
Confusious Dec 2012 #30
WCGreen Dec 2012 #33
Confusious Dec 2012 #41
obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #37
dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #2
malaise Dec 2012 #3
karynnj Dec 2012 #23
obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #39
mr blur Dec 2012 #4
Sheldon Cooper Dec 2012 #5
dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #7
City Lights Dec 2012 #17
Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #6
Laurian Dec 2012 #8
My Pet Goat Dec 2012 #9
hlthe2b Dec 2012 #15
ananda Dec 2012 #35
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #40
nenagh Dec 2012 #10
AngryAmish Dec 2012 #11
hlthe2b Dec 2012 #14
AngryAmish Dec 2012 #19
hlthe2b Dec 2012 #20
AngryAmish Dec 2012 #21
malaise Dec 2012 #16
gollygee Dec 2012 #12
hlthe2b Dec 2012 #13
Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #18
phleshdef Dec 2012 #22
TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #24
Laurian Dec 2012 #29
muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #31
malaise Dec 2012 #38
NCTraveler Dec 2012 #25
Robb Dec 2012 #27
marybourg Dec 2012 #28
Avalux Dec 2012 #32
marybourg Dec 2012 #34
Avalux Dec 2012 #43
marybourg Dec 2012 #44
obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #36
Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #45
Politicub Dec 2012 #42
hifiguy Dec 2012 #46

Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:24 AM

1. I blame the royals and the attitudes about them more than I blame the DJs

but mostly I blame the woman who killed herself for killing herself.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:55 AM

26. gad. he's such a fucking moron asshole.

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Response to cali (Reply #26)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:53 PM

30. You forgot "pretentious"

Btw, I like his music.

But reality is reality.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #30)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:02 PM

33. Girlfriend in a coma...

Classic.

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Response to WCGreen (Reply #33)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:51 PM

41. I never really liked that one for some reason

I was more of a "how soon is now" person.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:53 PM

37. How is this the Royals' fault in anyway???

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:25 AM

2. was in the hospital, as far as I could see, for absolutely no reason ?

Morrissey is seeking another 15 minutes of fame. Hopefully when that's up he'll just go back to playing with himself.

Tosser.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:27 AM

3. I don't agree with that part

but I agree with the rest

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:35 AM

23. Not to mention the idiocy of suggesting it was too early in the pregnancy for morning sickness

which all of us who actually have been pregnant know that morning sickness is in the first trimester - often the first clue that you are pregnant.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:54 PM

39. She has that horrible acute form of morning sickness

My cousin had it, and had to take leave from work for two months. It destroyed her.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:27 AM

4. Well, he's right about the arrogance of these halfwits, but

the nurse who committed suicide was not the one who revealed "details of the Duchess of Cambridge's pregnancy". She simply answered the phone and put the call through to another nurse.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:30 AM

5. Who is Morrissey?

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:38 AM

7. A person who is alleged to be able to sing.

The allegation appears to have no merit.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:39 AM

17. Haha, thanks for asking, Sheldon.

I was wondering the same thing.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:33 AM

6. Wait!? Whut!?

Is he a doctor? This condition is not life-threatening, but there can be problems if the mother doesn't take certain steps. From what I have heard, it is nothing like regular morning sickness. I won't begrudge her any treatment royal or not.

If this had been anybody else in the royal family, the outcry would have not been as severe. These 2 are liked quite a bit by the British public. In addition, you have the ghost of Diana added.

The nurse was caught in a perfect storm of ridicule. There is no way to know what was really said or being said to her by the people in the hospital. She obviously could not cope. That's not her fault. Everybody is different.

As far as Kate speaking out, her every move is circumscribed by her position. The overall attitude of the royal family, the press, and the public all rolled into one is a juggernaut of judgement.

His views have validity, but he misses the mark in some of his vitriol. Kate is not above criticism but I think part of this is unwarranted.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:41 AM

8. Reading that story mostly made me wish

that men could get pregnant and experience the gawd awful effects of morning sickness. He'd cry like a baby. What an insensitive jerk to minimize the complications of pregnancy only women can know.

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Response to Laurian (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:58 AM

9. Also, severe morning sickness can seem like the effect of a virus.....

and viruses are a major cause of fetal morbidity. What a rube. This will make it very hard for me to enjoy his music.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:28 AM

15. It most certainly CAN be life-threatening. Please see my post 14...

the ignorance being perpetuated here is appalling....

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:51 PM

35. I like Will and Kate too.

I do NOT like the remnant monarchy though.

Morrissey is an asshole.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:55 PM

40. Hyperemesis gravidarum

 

a severe, debilitating nausea and vomiting in pregnancy that generally leads to more than 5 percent weight loss and may require fluid and nutritional supplement.

It is different from the more common nausea and vomiting known as morning sickness. Dehydration, malnutrition, and other serious complications are the result of the "unrelenting, excessive pregnancy-related nausea and/or vomiting that prevents adequate intake of food and fluids."

Hyperemesis is considered a rare complication of pregnancy but, because nausea and vomiting during pregnancy exist on a continuum, there is often not a good diagnosis between common morning sickness and hyperemesis. Estimates of the percentage of pregnant women afflicted range from 0.3% to 2%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperemesis_gravidarum

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:58 AM

10. Geeze, I'm absolutely fed up with any man who is not a physician, presuming to speak about

symptoms or conditions of any female regarding any strictly female condition..in this case pregnancy.

Shut up old man, Morrissey, and stop assuming some superiority of knowledge probably based on the fact that your auld Mum was never sick a day in her life, when pregnant.

Women are individuals. We are not genetic clones. We each react differently to pregnancies and the severity or not, of sickness early in pregnancy or, in some rare cases, sickness that continues through all of the pregnancy.

End of rant.



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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:00 AM

11. He is right

It is a fucked up state of affairs when the privileged few can set up a sysytem where they are looked upon as better than everybody else.

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:27 AM

14. You are showing your own ignorance of this particular medical problem that can be life threatening..

and DOES cause considerable mortality in areas of the world where hospitalization or intense medical intervention is not an option. This isn't your casual, ordinary level of "morning sickness"...She has hyperemesis gravidarum and yes, women DO die from this if not treated and face a choice between medications whose safety margins have not been established for the fetus--or in some cases intractable symptoms throughout the pregnancy. Ever been vomiting continuously for a day? A week? 9 months?



LONDON (AP) — While morning sickness in pregnant women is common, the problem the Duchess of Cambridge has been hospitalized with is not.

In a statement Monday, palace officials said she was hospitalized with hyperemesis gravidarum, a potentially dangerous type of morning sickness where vomiting is so severe no food or liquid can be kept down. Palace officials said the duchess was expected to remain hospitalized for several days and would require a period of rest afterwards.

“It’s not unusual for pregnant women to get morning sickness, but when it gets to the point where you’re dehydrated, losing weight or vomiting so much you begin to build up (toxic) products in your blood, that’s a concern,” said Dr. Kecia Gaither, director of maternal fetal medicine at Brookdale University and Medical Center in New York.

The condition is thought to affect about one in 50 pregnant women and tends to be more common in young women, women who are pregnant for the first time, those expecting multiple babies and in non-smokers. Gaither said that fewer than one percent of women with the condition need to be hospitalized.

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/03/explainer_why_was_pregnant_duchess_hospitalized/


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/05/prue-clarke-on-her-battles-with-kate-middleton-s-illness-hyperemesis-gravidarum.html
The doctor couldn’t guarantee the drug, Zofran, would not harm the baby. Ominously, it usually was prescribed for cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy. But she also could not guarantee the nausea would stop if I were rehydrated. She couldn’t tell me how long I’d be in the hospital. HG, like morning sickness, eases in most women by 12 weeks, but in some it could last the whole pregnancy. The idea of suffering this nausea another day, let alone another 34 weeks, was untenable. I felt I had no choice. I took the drug.

Zofran pulled me back from the brink. Within an hour of taking it, I felt well enough to eat. I still felt nauseated 24 hours a day, but I was no longer desperate. I lived by the clock. Every four hours as the drug wore off, the nausea heightened again. Eating regularly was essential. All the home remedies for morning sickness—ginger tea, pressure bands—proved useless. Eventually, I got some relief from expensive acupuncture appointments. But it was not covered by insurance. The one consolation was that sickness is a sign of a healthy pregnancy. But I was so miserable, I found it hard to feel joy in that.

It was far too early to tell anyone we were pregnant. Most people wait until 12 weeks, and the risk of miscarriage (one in four pregnancies) has passed. But we had no choice. As Christmas approached, I had to say no to every holiday celebration. As my freelance-journalism deadlines piled up, I had to tell my editors I was struggling to leave my bed.

I found little sympathy. An estimated seven in 10 pregnant women suffer morning sickness. No one I knew had been confined to her bed, nearly incapable of functioning, for weeks on end. People expect you to buck up and deal with it. They offer a constant, insistent advice that what worked for them will work for you. I was just lucky I didn’t have to report to an office every day.

A CNN story at the time reported that a woman had terminated her pregnancy because of morning sickness. Friends were shocked. I had sympathy.

Week 12 came and went with no improvement. A once-niggling background fear that I would be one of the unlucky few who had HG for nine months began to look very real.



http://www.salon.com/1998/10/05/05feature_8/
Bed rest sucks and I should know. I was on it for more than five months of my pregnancy. Four of those months were not what most people think of as bed rest: No doctor prescribed it. Instead, an extreme case of hyperemesis gravidarum (excessive vomiting while pregnant) made me so sick and weak that I was forced to stay in bed. I faced repeated dehydration and countless hospital trips. I couldn’t eat because I’d throw up, but at the same time I was hungry. I lay awake many nights quite literally starving, but too scared to eat. After six weeks of that, I was put on a 24-hour I.V., which essentially confined me to bed for two and a half more months. I could eat and drink almost nothing, and every distraction, from reading to listening to music was too much. Even the alarm clock display was too bright to bear.



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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:23 AM

19. You look at one part, I look at another

1. I agree that Morissey was wrong and ignorant about her condition. My sister in law had the exact same thing and she was hospitalized.

2. He is spot on about the childish system that allows kings and queens and princesses to exist outside of a Tim Gunn cartoon.


Now that we have this cleared up, can we all get back to talking about Pippa's ass?

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:25 AM

20. you agreed with Morissey's statement with no qualification in your post...

I'm glad you came back to clarify because that was a disgusting comment (and beyond ignorant) from Morrisey

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:26 AM

21. Quite frankly I missed the part where he said she was in the hospital for no good reason

I'm dumb that way.

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:37 AM

16. That's the part I agree with

and it is fucked up - they are horrible people

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:04 AM

12. He has no way of knowing if there's any reason for her to be in the hospital

I doubt she's there for fun. Severe morning sickness can cause dehydration, which is dangerous. She isn't the first woman hospitalized for severe morning sickness. When Morrissey gets his MD, maybe I'll listen to his medical advice.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:18 AM

13. " was in the hospital, as far as I could see, for absolutely no reason," -- WHAT IGNORANCE!

What incredible and unspeakable ignorance...

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:48 AM

18. For those wondering who Morrissey is....

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:29 AM

22. If Morrissey says to blame the royals, then I'll not blame the royals because I hate Morrissey.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:47 AM

24. It's very plausible that this woman felt she had personally let down

the royal family and her hospital, and the public shame of that was too much to bear. Nurses make mistakes, most don't kill themselves--sounds like a combination of shaky mental health and this particular circumstance involving the royal family. She was probably very proud to work at the facility that cared for the Duchess, and also probably took her work very seriously. And if you think the Queen is calling you...and you're British...well, what would you do? Hang up on her?

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:31 PM

29. I think the nurse's cultural

background may also have led her to have a more significant reaction to the breech than others might.

I am very sympathetic to her and her family.

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Response to Laurian (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:41 PM

31. A bit from someone who knew her professionally:

I happened to meet a hospital consultant over the weekend who has worked with and knew Jacintha. He was deeply distressed by what had happened. I expressed surprise that an incident for which she remained anonymous, wasn’t blamed or rebuked and which even Prince Charles later joked about, could possibly have led to her suicide.

He explained to me how seriously Jacintha took her nursing duties, how crucial patient confidentiality is to nurses like her, and how devastating it would have been for her to be humiliated not just in front of the world but more importantly in front of her professional colleagues. I found it humbling to realise how some people literally take the principles underpinning their jobs deadly seriously. Sadly no one else in this sorry affair did.

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2012/12/11/the-interview-with-australian-djs-raises-professional-questions/

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #31)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:54 PM

38. It's a horrible tragedy

but the stupid DJs are not responsible for her suicide

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:51 AM

25. I think Morrissey should take responsibility for his own stupidity. nt.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:55 AM

27. Every second spent pontificating to the media

...is another second he's kept from the recording studio.

Blather on, Mo, for the sake of us all.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:12 PM

28. How is this "morrissey" any more worthy of attention

from the press and the people than "the royals", who as far as i can see, do perform some public function?

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Response to marybourg (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:46 PM

32. Surely you jest?

He was front man of one of the best bands of the 80's, and his disgust for the queen and royal family is well known.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:48 PM

34. No, I don't jest. I had no interest in the popular music of the 80's, nor do I of the 10's,

and I don't see how being in a band qualifies one to speak on gynecology or the state of mind of a stranger- be that stranger a duchess or a secretary- and certainly not about whether someone else's status in society is appropriate or not.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:58 PM

43. It's called free speech, and I was pointing out Morrissey is known for this sort of thing.

He speaks for that segment of the British population that does not think fondly of the royals. I don't agree with what he said, but he has every right to say it as a citizen of England.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #43)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:35 PM

44. O f course he has every right to say what he wants. The question is:

Why would we listen?

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:52 PM

36. He is a RW racist

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #36)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:42 PM

45. You are correct.

If he wasn't famous he'd just be another lunkhead with a big mouth.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:02 PM

42. The royals are better than everyone else. In the past they could have people killed on a whim.

The English people buy into the myth that they are inferior to the royals. And if that's what they truly believe then it may as well be true. Otherwise the royal farce would go the way of the dodo bird.

Did they murder the nurse? Probably not directly. British royal customs and history did.

Americans threw off the yoke of royal rule for a reason. Back then it wasn't all about royal weddings and corgis.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:04 PM

46. Look up "pompous prat" in the dictionary

and there will be a picture of Morrissey.

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