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Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:30 PM

I don't expect any real answers about why yet another mass shooting has happened

Even with an argument about legal gun ownership apart from figuring out why this happened, if we Americans are true to form, the national conversation will be pretty light on context and real solutions.

It's not just about the prevalence of guns in our society, it's the mindset that's out there that these shooters use to justify their actions.

The problem is that there are too many people who are threatened by the prospect of their livelihoods coming under any real scrutiny in order to allow a real conversation about the causes and solutions.

It's like a never ending vicious circle.

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Reply I don't expect any real answers about why yet another mass shooting has happened (Original post)
MrScorpio Dec 2012 OP
pscot Dec 2012 #1
valerief Dec 2012 #2
Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #4
valerief Dec 2012 #5
Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #6
Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #3
Journeyman Dec 2012 #7
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #9
Throd Dec 2012 #8
rustydog Dec 2012 #10

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:37 PM

1. It's the Behavioral sink

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:47 PM

2. It's guns. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:50 PM

4. *Condescending Laugh*

 

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:09 PM

5. Thanks for the ignore name! nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:15 PM

6. You're welcome.

 

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:50 PM

3. Why do people do bad things?

 

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:39 PM

7. I'm told, immediately after such incidents is not the time to discuss guns or anything about them...

The dead aren't buried yet, the wounds are too fresh, not enough is known to draw conclusions, etc. etc.

So, shall we begin instead with a discussion of Charles Whitman and the Texas Tower incident at Austin? . . .

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:47 PM

9. It's a fair point, really.

Sweeping public policy decisions are best made on the basis of verifiable fact, and in the cool light of objectivity...not in the emotionally overwrought aftermath of a tragedy.

I rather suspect that incidents of this type may increase...not so much because of our regulation of weapons (or relative lack thereof) or such factors, but because of an ever-increasing trend of alienation in our society, a fairly rapid waning of our sense of cultural oneness, of community. As we retreat further and further into smaller,. more isolated circles of friends and family, communicating more digitally than "organically," the humanity of persons not in that circle will become ever more theoretical, less real on a gut level.

It's not so much that a previously normal individual flips a switch and becomes someone completely different, with a radically different value system. It's a gradual process, one that includes turning most other human beings into objects of no real value or import...no connection. The switch that flips is a little one...much of the work has already been done.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:43 PM

8. Here is the real answer: Sometimes crazy people do horrible, violent shit.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:52 PM

10. I used to see a lot of gun violence victims where I used to work

The hospital I now work has seen maybe 3 GSW victims in 7 years....

I don't miss it one bit. Although most of the shooting "victims" we got at my old job were gang-related,
or hunting accidents and the occasional suicide attempt. Every victim left behind family members who loved the victim and will carry the violent death with them for the rest of their lives.

When the shootings occur on holidays, it can be even more traumatic for the family and healthcare workers who tried to save the life.

It is a heart-breaking sad state and it is something that will continue until this planet is dead.

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