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Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:49 PM

Wind Turbines are ugly




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Reply Wind Turbines are ugly (Original post)
ashling Dec 2012 OP
Brickbat Dec 2012 #1
KansDem Dec 2012 #2
Scuba Dec 2012 #3
GCP Dec 2012 #4
Matariki Dec 2012 #14
kurtzapril4 Dec 2012 #20
enlightenment Dec 2012 #28
abelenkpe Dec 2012 #17
KansDem Dec 2012 #45
xxqqqzme Dec 2012 #48
Champion Jack Dec 2012 #5
ashling Dec 2012 #7
ThoughtCriminal Dec 2012 #6
riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #8
2on2u Dec 2012 #9
amuse bouche Dec 2012 #19
ashling Dec 2012 #24
hobbit709 Dec 2012 #27
2on2u Dec 2012 #31
AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #33
2on2u Dec 2012 #50
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #51
ashling Dec 2012 #25
freshwest Dec 2012 #10
Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #11
marble falls Dec 2012 #12
LTR Dec 2012 #13
Trailrider1951 Dec 2012 #15
JEB Dec 2012 #32
99Forever Dec 2012 #16
Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #18
jberryhill Dec 2012 #26
dangerdoll Dec 2012 #42
bigbrother05 Dec 2012 #43
DeSwiss Dec 2012 #21
BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #38
DeSwiss Dec 2012 #44
NMDemDist2 Dec 2012 #22
WillyT Dec 2012 #23
global1 Dec 2012 #29
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #30
PatrynXX Dec 2012 #34
Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #35
cilla4progress Dec 2012 #36
Kablooie Dec 2012 #37
RC Dec 2012 #49
judesedit Dec 2012 #39
CrispyQ Dec 2012 #40
JPZenger Dec 2012 #41
PrMaine Dec 2012 #46
Rain Mcloud Dec 2012 #47
MADem Dec 2012 #52

Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:51 PM

1. Of course, some of that land looked pretty darn desolate before exploitation.

Nothing like a little eastern Colorado to numb the mind.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:56 PM

2. Check out southern California during the first half of the last century

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Response to KansDem (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:14 PM

3. Wow, never saw those pics before. Thanks for the link!!

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Response to KansDem (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:19 PM

4. Rampant capitalism at its finest

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Response to KansDem (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:00 PM

14. wow, what's up with the skeleton/alien guy in the lower left corner?

That's just not natural.

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Response to Matariki (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:25 PM

20. You're right, that's weird! n/t

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Response to Matariki (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:42 PM

28. It's a girl - possibly a young woman,

but probably a tween. She's facing forward (toward the camera) and is reaching - as if putting on a shoe or sandal - toward her left foot. Until you realize the position, it does look weird!

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Response to KansDem (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:09 PM

17. Whoa...

Was Santa Monica like that too?

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 03:49 PM

45. Here is a another photo from a different site!

An aerial view of the Fox Studios at Beverly Glen and Santa Monica Boulevards in Century City. Oil fields can be seen to the West (circa 1928).



Photo no. 54--
http://waterandpower.org/museum/Early_City_Views%20(1925%20+).html
(You'll need to copy and paste the complete link in the URL)

Isn't the Beverly Glen and Santa Monica Blvd intersection (Century City) between Beverly Hills and Santa Monica?

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Response to KansDem (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:17 PM

48. The first time I was in

Huntington Beach, 1960, there were still oil rigs like that above the beach. Not that congested but they were blighting and stinking up the beach.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:27 PM

5. Come to WV I'll show you the frack pits well pads....

ugly as hell and dangerous

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Response to Champion Jack (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:05 PM

7. Can't get out of spittin' distance

from a frack site around here. There is one behind the houses on the other side of the street right next to the subdivision we are in.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:59 PM

6. Coal strip mines are so pretty


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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:20 PM

8. awesome pictures

I always believed that a picture is worth a thousand words.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:21 PM

9. They don't have to be

 

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Response to 2on2u (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:22 PM

19. You know the OP is being sarcastic

as the picture is not of wind but oil

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:06 PM

24. No, you know that the OP is being sarcastic because

I frickin say at the bottom of the OP that It is sarcasm!



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Response to ashling (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:20 PM

27. some people are majorly sarchasm challenged.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:06 AM

31. Why yes, yes you are....

 

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/wind_energys_ghosts_1.html



"The feed-in tariff... would make (utility) companies go bankrupt eventually. So...the government guarantees...to give back the money in the future -- when (they) are not going to be in the office any more. Slowly the market does not want to have these securities that they are selling. Right now there is a debt related to these renewable energies that nobody knows how it is going to be paid -- of 16 Billion Euros."


In early 2009 the Socialist government of Spain reduced alternative energy subsidies by 30%. Calzada continues:

"At that point the whole pyramid collapsed. They are firing thousands of people. BP closed down the two largest solar production plants in Europe. They are firing between 25,000 and 40,000 people...."

"What do we do with all this industry that we have been creating with subsidies that now is collapsing? The bubble is too big. We cannot continue pumping enough money. ...The President of the Renewable Industry in Spain (wrote a column arguing that) ...the only way is finding other countries that will give taxpayers' money away to our industry to take it and continue maintaining these jobs."


That "other country" is the United States of America.

Waxman-Markey seems dead, and Europe's southern periphery is bankrupt. But the wind-subsidy proposals being floated in Congress suggest that American political leaders have yet to understand that "green power" means generating electricity by burning dollars.

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Response to 2on2u (Reply #31)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:33 AM

33. Ok, let's apply this shit to nuclear and coal as well.

"If wind power made sense, why would it need a government subsidy in the first place? It's a bubble which bursts as soon as the government subsidies end."

Yank the subsidies across the board, and see which one you prefer now.


A lot of those old reduction gear type turbines were maintenance problems. Fires, grenading. Newer direct drive models eliminate all that stuff.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #33)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:18 PM

50. I'm all for equipment that is easily servicable, efficient, not too troublesome and non polluting.

 

Too bad the early days had to put a stigma on wind power. I'd like to see other designs, perhaps ones where the generator was almost at ground level, say a 90 degree gearbox at the top and a carbon fiber driveshaft to bring the torque down.... just something a little easier to repair, maintain, and deal with.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:40 PM

10. I grew up near refineries. You learn to breathe shallow. Always hated the oil business. Still do.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:40 PM

11. We have some new wind turbines

on Fire Island just off shore from Anchorage. I think they're beautiful.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:45 PM

12. Whatever shortcomings turbines have, I find wind farms beautiful.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:51 PM

13. I always thought they looked kinda cool

Better than those nasty-ass oil pumps.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:05 PM

15. And this is the ugliest of all

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=&sa=X&ei=l9fHUMHrD8SkqwH8-ICQAg&ved=0CAwQ8wc4Dg&usg=AFQjCNEx9PIHGgtkN8c_wqB3PLjXlbb1ug



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Response to Trailrider1951 (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:32 AM

32. How many have to die before this is

contained and cleaned up? What to do with the waste from clean up? Old people volunteering so younger people don't have to die.
http://youtube.digru.com/?v=ainu+dub&t=

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:08 PM

16. Perfect!

Thanks, made my evening.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:14 PM

18. My name here is derived from working the "Dust docket." That is asbestos and silicosis litigation.

I live in the heart of our nations refineries, where oil was first discovered in Texas. They are so ugly and dangerous. We have oil wells all over. There used to be a commercial that ran a lot for a few years in the 1970's. Their catch phrase was, "If you don't have an oil well, get one! You will love doing business with Western!" I see the deaths and severe injuries the oil industry creates because the legal cost of the death is cheaper than what the profit is for the conduct. I am currently working on the BP oil spill case. I watched them do the same things wrong in their plant explosion in Texas City, Tx. on March 23rd, 2005. Killed 15 then, several more over the next few years, and then, 11 more in the Gulf on April 20, 2010. How many wind turbine explosions have we had? How many solar panels have leaked and defiled a major source of U.S. seafood and tourism? How many?

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:15 PM

26. Uncontrolled releases of wind can flatten towns


Look what happened in Xenia, Ohio.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 02:46 PM

42. Exactly!

I grew up in and around Houston (and still live north of the city), and for my entire childhood, Pasadena was called Stinkadena, LaPorte was LaPew, etc. Always told by the adults to "quit complaining...that's the smell of MONEY." Yeah? 40 years later, it still stinks and the sky is never blue.

Contrasted with our family vacation through California last summer, where we got to drive through some of the most beautiful, lush green hills covered in wind turbines, AND we kept the car windows rolled down because the air smelled fresh...

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 02:54 PM

43. Used to work for the Western Company about 30 years ago, laid off in '84

Was fracking all over OK, TX, and NM. Lots deeper than they are now and in mostly more isolated locations. Obviously, if you don't have adequate regs and standards, you get the kind of damage that is being exposed now. Have to think that lax enforcement and reduced regulations are a big reason for the problems.

As an aside, the founder, Eddie Chiles, was famous for his paid radio commentaries as "Mad Eddie". Put up his own money and did his own talking in radio spots pushing a RW point of view. Didn't agree with him, but he didn't hide behind some paid shill or funnel his money into an astroturf group. At one time his wife was co-chair of the TX Rep Party.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:40 PM

21. K&R

''The profit mechanism creates established orders which constitute the survival and wealth for a few groups of people. The fact is that no matter how socially beneficial new advents may be, they will be viewed in hostility if they threaten an established financially-driven institution. Meaning social progress can be a threat to the establishment. So to put this into a sentence: "Abundance, sustainability and efficiency are the enemies of profit."

Progressive advancement in science and technology which can solve problems of inefficiency and scarcity once and for all, are in effect making the prior establishment's servicing of those issues obsolete. Therefore in a monetary system corporations aren't just in competition with each other, they're in competition with progress itself. That is why social-change is so difficult within a monetary system. In other words, the established monetary system refuses to allow free-flowing change.''


~Peter Joseph

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:20 PM

38. +One Jillion. So the question is...

How to make many small steps on many fronts that, together over time, will change the paradigm your excerpt describes.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #38)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 03:29 PM

44. I don't think that much can be achieved......

...with small steps at this stage of our evolution. Although Peter Joseph supports Jacque Fresco's Venus Project as a potential drawing-board model. But TPTB are inimical to any changes that would render them obsolete. So small step efforts can and will be easily picked off.

While I abhor what he stood for economically, this guy understood us and our society very well. And it is the lousy ideas he supported (supply-side economics) which have got us in this dark, dank financial hole we are in today:

''Only a crisis (actual or perceived), produces real change. When that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. That, I believe, is our basic function: to develop alternatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable.'' - Milton Friedman


- And considering the spiraling downward direction the world economy is currently heading in, I believe that ''crisis opportunity'' will soon avail itself to us.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:41 PM

22. i swear that looks like it's about 40 miles from my house

we call it 'indian hills'

and yeah, it's ugly and produces about 70% of the jobs around here...

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:45 PM

23. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!






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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:43 PM

29. I've Always Thought That Wind Turbines/Windmills Look Cool....

but when people try to tell us that they are ugly - there will always be some people out there that will believe them and think that they are ugly too.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:47 PM

30. And this beautiful pic:

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:35 AM

34. Nothing new but worth repeating

Never lived in Texas but if mom can still remember them when she was like 5-7 yrs old . must been an awful racket at night..

Have an old 120 print of a great great uncle I never knew , mom did. and he's standing in front of a platform. Not just the pump.. Like um Black Gold platform of orr

there's a few pix of the kaboom blimps too. Ended up scanning near 20,000 fotos, slides and negatives in 2008 after the floods scared us to crap. Haven't done ours much. Those are all upstairs. Woulda been nice to keep it close to the ground like solar panels but oil companies wouldn't have it...

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:44 AM

35. Wind turbines ARE ugly, and so are oil wells.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:56 AM

36. Excellent point!

We have a bunch around here and while yes, I agree, I'd rather have the landscape wide open as it previously was, they are actually quite lovely in their lines and design.

Also: folks have to put their big boy and girl pants on .... being carbon-based lifeforms has consequences, and the more we can mitigate, the better.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:58 AM

37. Why did they take the top hats off all those drinking birds?

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #37)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:18 PM

49. Hats and bow ties cost money.

 

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:31 PM

39. Exactly my point. Nothing is as ugly as these monsters sucking the earth dry

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:37 PM

40. Harr! I love that!

Not at all what I expected! I'm posting it on FB.

Windspires:





http://www.windspireenergy.com/

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #40)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:46 PM

41. Chernobyl is beautiful this time of year

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:20 PM

46. Oil Refineries are Just Beautiful



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Response to ashling (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:45 PM

47. The Wind Turbines are a menace.

 

Here is a video segment explaining the perils of wind energy:
[link:http://www.theonion.com/video/in-the-know-coal-lobby-warns-wind-farms-may-blow-e,20876/|

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:58 PM

52. I have always thought they were beautiful (no sarcasm, either)

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