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Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:15 PM

Breaking: Americans for Prosperity stages phony altercation at Michigan Right to Work rally

There’s a video on heavy rotation at Fox News, being massively retweeted by conservatives and Americans for Prosperity, where they talk about the “brutality” and “violence” of union members at today’s rally in Lansing, Michigan to protest Right to Work legislation. The video shows an Americans for Prosperity tent coming down on the front lawn of the Capitol Building.

As it turns out, American for Prosperity (AFP) themselves were responsible for at least one of the tents coming down. Tom Duckworth watched one of the folks that had been in the AFP tent go around and loosen the straps on the tent. According to Duckworth, “the tent came down from the INSIDE.”

Here’s video, shot in the office of Progress Michigan, of Duckworth being interviewed by former Progress Michigan Executive Director David Holtz:



Clearly AFP came to this rally to incite an altercation that could be shown on endless loop on Fox to show that union members are, indeed, “union thugs”. Not surprisingly, Fox News cameramen where right there on the spot to capture it all on film. The main physical altercations that occurred happened after the tents came down.

Mission accomplished.

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More AFP bullshit in conjunction with Faux Snooze, Breitbart, in their attempt to discredit Unions.

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Reply Breaking: Americans for Prosperity stages phony altercation at Michigan Right to Work rally (Original post)
Melinda Dec 2012 OP
Scuba Dec 2012 #1
Melinda Dec 2012 #2
Grantuspeace Dec 2012 #35
99Forever Dec 2012 #3
frylock Dec 2012 #4
dionysus Dec 2012 #10
bleever Dec 2012 #5
malaise Dec 2012 #6
warrprayer Dec 2012 #15
Cal Carpenter Dec 2012 #17
alp227 Dec 2012 #7
MinM Dec 2012 #34
Melinda Dec 2012 #8
James48 Dec 2012 #9
TForbster Dec 2012 #11
Cal Carpenter Dec 2012 #12
They_Live Dec 2012 #13
Cal Carpenter Dec 2012 #16
warrprayer Dec 2012 #14
ReRe Dec 2012 #36
ejpoeta Dec 2012 #46
ReRe Dec 2012 #49
TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #54
benld74 Dec 2012 #18
GatorLarry Dec 2012 #45
WillyT Dec 2012 #19
madokie Dec 2012 #20
sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #22
TahitiNut Dec 2012 #21
Cal Carpenter Dec 2012 #24
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #29
TahitiNut Dec 2012 #32
Melinda Dec 2012 #28
mountain grammy Dec 2012 #23
Melinda Dec 2012 #27
Octafish Dec 2012 #25
Melinda Dec 2012 #26
MinM Dec 2012 #33
Octafish Dec 2012 #56
lonestarnot Dec 2012 #30
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #38
midnight Dec 2012 #31
ReRe Dec 2012 #37
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #39
ReRe Dec 2012 #43
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #40
James48 Dec 2012 #41
Roy Rolling Dec 2012 #42
Joey Liberal Dec 2012 #44
CoffeeCat Dec 2012 #47
John2 Dec 2012 #48
majorkrell Dec 2012 #50
doc03 Dec 2012 #51
gkhouston Dec 2012 #52
TimKeller Dec 2012 #53
aandegoons Dec 2012 #55

Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:19 PM

1. Were there palm trees waving in the background too?

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:24 PM

2. I'm not sure, but I am pretty certain I saw this guy...


lurking in the background

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:07 AM

35. Good question! n/t

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:30 PM

3. Thanks Melinda for posting this.

Business as usual by the Fox scumbags and the AFP scabs.

They gonna crap their pants when the real violence comes. It's only a matter of time, the fuse is burning.

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:33 PM

4. i'm parlocking this thread..

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Response to frylock (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:00 PM

10. first parlock wins the thread!

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:34 PM

5. MIHOP.

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:38 PM

6. Tweety had one of them on a short while ago

He refused to admit that he's being paid by the Koch brothers

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:30 PM

15. I saw it

Matthews did a great job of exposing him.

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:54 PM

17. Or maybe the DeVos family

Michigan's very own greedy meddling billionaires.

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:45 PM

7. Steven Crowder tried to BS a fight by "union thugs"

Mediaite article reposted here http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021962030

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:46 PM

8. It's A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall...


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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:03 PM

11. Spam deleted by SidDithers (MIR Team)

 

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:08 PM

12. VIDEO of the tent coming down

Here's a video from the crowd. It was fun to watch



There's also a sort of panorama at the end of the video that shows a lot of the crowd.

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Response to Cal Carpenter (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:23 PM

13. Looks to me

like it was collapsed from the inside. Did AFP have a permit to set up their tent?

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Response to They_Live (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:33 PM

16. I really don't know

I am guessing they did, I heard something early in the day (9am) about a counterprotest and having to 'chase the teabaggers off the capitol steps' but I wasn't there to see it. I would assume they had some sort of nominal permit or something (I wouldn't be surprised if AfP/DeVos could get one at a moment's notice, honestly).

I heard from a friend that the first tent went down and then happened to be nearby when this one did. I think the guy in the OP's video may have been describing the first tent. I didn't see them cutting into this one to get people out or anything, but there were police on horses trying to clear people out of the way (and trampling and possibly shitting on the deflated tent in the process, from what I could hear, LOL).

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:29 PM

14. I was just reading

the story of John Nelson, the leader of U.E. here in Erie right after WW2. He was hounded by McCarthy, HUAC, the F.B.I., and fired by G.E. as a "communist". He died at age 46 afrter years of harrasment. It is hard for some to understand what the founders of the labor movement went through to gain the rights some seem so willing to surrender without a fight today.

This must not be allowed to happen.

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Response to warrprayer (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:31 AM

36. Thank you for telling us about John Nelson....

.... Yes, I have to remind myself all the time that many of our DUers are young adults and haven't had the opportunity yet to learn about the Labor struggles of the late 19th century, and into the 20th century. The PEOPLE built this country. And they were sorely taken advantage of, until they started to press for union representation. It's the history of the United States, really (Labor History).

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Response to ReRe (Reply #36)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:30 PM

46. it seems people just assume they have these rights and they won't be taken away.

I am 40, so have grown up without these struggles... but I pay attention to history and see that people had to fight for these things people take for granted. I don't think they understand what they are doing.... Ann hathaway was on the today show this morning talking about les miserables and talking about her character and having to sell her body to have money for her kid. she said, they didn't have a safety net. kudos to her for that. I see them dismantling the safety net and any safeguards we have had in place to protect the workers and it scares me. I hope we don't have to find out what it was like back then. I fear we might.

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Response to ejpoeta (Reply #46)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:00 PM

49. This is the way I look at it....

If things continue the way they are today, it just might happen. But don't be scared. I'm watching the 12-12-12 Concert on HBO. Pink Floyd just played The Wall. They had some young kids (probably Jr High or early HS aged kids). They danced and sang along with the band. And they had long baggy black t-shirts on with big white letters:

FEAR
BUILDS
WALLS


BE STRONG!

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Response to ejpoeta (Reply #46)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:08 PM

54. The frustrating thing is how short the distance in time really is.

Our little patchwork didn't hold them a human lifetime. Arguably, a generation at best before the seams were coming undone.

People didn't have parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, books, old movies???

Blows me away.

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:56 PM

18. Why are Union members THUGS and Tea Party members ACTIVISTS?

Word selection AGAIN by the RIGHT in order to FRAME the discussion in their favour, JUST from the words alone!!

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Response to benld74 (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 02:57 PM

45. Exactly . . . just like the

way Afghanis were "freedom fighters" when they were battling Russia but those exact same people are "terrorists" because they oppose the U.S.

It's "torture" (and probably "terrorism") if any country water boards a Marine but only "enhanced interrogation" if the U.S. does it to someone we capture.

The examples are numerous . . .

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:58 PM

19. K & R !!!


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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:01 PM

20. What makes it so hard to deal with assholes like this is

They'll do anything it takes to achieve their goal. No scruples, no conscience, no sense of fair play. Its all win at any cost to them.

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Response to madokie (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:25 PM

22. That's right.

That's why they win when we think it's about never ending protests and gradualism and party politics, and they know it's about the never ending war for America. When teabaggers and reactionary legislatures and even the cops are afraid to come within a country mile of a union protest, we'll know we're winning the class war and not until then.

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:23 PM

21. I sure wish labor would have a General Strike

... until the treasonous bastards on the right reversed this abominable legislation.


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Response to TahitiNut (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:42 PM

24. There was a lot of talk of that in Lansing today

From local union leaders to Jesse Jackson, it was spoken aloud and the crowd went nuts whenever it was - I think there is a lot of momentum.

Here's a link to a statement about it from one organization that had a big sign there today:

http://www.beatbackrtw.org/

and there were others talking about it too.

Maybe we are building to that.

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Response to Cal Carpenter (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:14 AM

29. That would be a good step

Especially if joined by unions nationwide...1937 in some ways.

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Response to Cal Carpenter (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:19 AM

32. I'm 100% behind the unions and would fully support a general strike.

The corrupt, deceitful, anti-democratic approach taken just exacerbates the appalling malice towards working people inherent in this legislation.

Except for jobs I held while in school and working to earn college fees and expenses, I've never been in a union job. I've always been an exempt "professional" or manager. Nonetheless, I'm fully and completely ni support of organized labor and regard it as even more important today than in the 1930s.

If we don't show the will and resolve of organized labor by having a general strike, it will soon be impossible.

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Response to TahitiNut (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:12 AM

28. Treasonous - that's the word. History bears this out... labor will tolerate just so much.

I'm with you; I think a general strike will be forthcoming sooner than later.

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:27 PM

23. There's plenty of blame to go around for the fall of unions, but I know this:

The only reason we are retired in any kind of comfort is because we had union jobs. Both sons have union jobs and are doing ok, but hate what they do. Daughter just entering the workforce, she won't be so lucky. The GOP sends the message that the debt will cripple our children, but now and for the foreseeable future, our children will be crippled by the lack of jobs that pay a living wage with benefits and offer any tiny sliver of job security. Right to work means right to fire!

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:09 AM

27. The GOP is responsible for this debt, period, and afaic, they could care less.

Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors. It's up to the American electorate to hold them accountable, and to ensure they are never in this position of power again.

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:43 PM

25. A person who would perpetrate a false-flag is capable of anything - even stealing someone's pension.



NAZIs perfected the tactic.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:06 AM

26. Or, an election. Talk about a memory spark. eom, and ty

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Response to Octafish (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:38 AM

33. Agent provocateurs disrupting a demonstration by the Sanitation Workers in Memphis...

was the reason that Martin Luther King, Jr. was in Memphis on, April 4, 1968.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/MinM/287
***
This was a re-post from...

What Martin Luther King had to say about Right to Work 1961!

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Response to MinM (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:13 PM

56. A threat to the propertied class, the landed gentry, the wealthy, old money, the establishment.

“Few Facts are more important to the future of our country and our understanding of the nature of our species than the identities and motives of the persons responsible for the assassinations of Martin Luther King, Jr. President John F. Kennedy, Robert F
. Kennedy and Malcolm X. These deaths have affected more than mere events. They have torn our people between belief and disbelief. Conscious, persistent pursuit of the truth of these assassinations is essential to our character and faith. No one has done more than Dr. William F. Pepper to keep alive the quest for the truth concerning the violent death of Martin Luther King who in courageous and important words once said ‘The greatest purveyor of violence on earth is my own government.’ In An Act of State, Bill Pepper argues that very government violence was turned on America’s greatest prophet of non-violent change.” – Ramsey Clark, US Attorney General, 1967-69

http://actofstate.org/

Thank you for the heads-up on Memphis, MinM. Dr. King stood for justice in all its forms - including political, social and economic.

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:20 AM

30. Yeah well we are not falling for it. Fuck you faux snooze!

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #30)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:13 PM

38. Some have. Right on this board, although not in this thread.

 

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:22 AM

31. K&R

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:48 AM

37. I knew these kinds of thugs would be up there yesterday...

...they show up every time they know that a SERIOUS protest is going to take place. You just never know what they will look like or what havoc they will reek until you get there. They deserve an Oscar for yesterday, though. Tents. I don't know who gave them those spots to set up the tents down at City Hall. Whoever that was, was just as complicit as the AFP bunch themselves to help the hullabaloo along. It was quite irresponsible, though. They could have had their lunch ate under those tents . You just don't mess with a a crowd of 12,000 who are mostly big brawny men who feel violated already, and are mad as hell and ain't going to take it anymore. The Union boys deserve a Nobel Peace Prize for keeping themselves from taking the bait.
They could have made lunch meat out of those scum bags in no short order.

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Response to ReRe (Reply #37)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:18 PM

39. "You just don't mess with ... big brawny men ..." These are not the steel workers from 1959 or the

 

teamsters from Jimmy Hoffa's days. None of the union workers engage in violence any more. Somebody else is supposed to do that, if at all. Except for the huffing and puffing, times have changed.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #39)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:42 PM

43. Huffing and puffing....

...is fine and recommended. I praised their composure. Yeah, it ain't 1959 anymore, but sometimes I wonder.

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:23 PM

40. The provocateur's wearing of an NRA cap may also be a false flag.

 

Did that allow him to mingle amongst union workers and create more false impressions?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #40)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:01 PM

41. I was there

the tents (there were 2 of them) were in place last week. I was there Thursday afternoon last week and the tents were already set up then.

On Thursday last week, there were approximately 15 "Americans for Prosperity" and "Freedomworks" people on site. I had a spirited debate with several of them. (A couple were low IQ types from small Michigan cities who were arguing that this legislation would allow them to join different unions if they wanted to. They had no clue what they were talking about).

Yesterday, there were actually FEWER AFP'ers people using the tents. They only had, maybe, a dozen people in all.

And yes, the one with the NRA cap was there all morning, and he's the one who cut the straps on several poles INSIDE the tent when it started. That got the crowd going.


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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 02:52 PM

44. Republicans are scary. nt

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:57 PM

47. FIGURES! I heard Hannity discussing the horrid violence!

These asshats are so predictable and infantile. They stage violence, or other acts (e.g. "Brooks Brothers Riot" etc.) and they disseminate their messages through the right-wing liars on the radio, as well as on Fox News.

God, don't these ingrates get tired of lying and being inauthentic freaks of nature, EVER?

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:57 PM

48. FOX

 

had no business there, because they are a symbol of the oppression, these workers see. I'm putting this bluntly, these people see FOX as the enemy and so do I. Just by being there, they were asking for it. I got no sympathy for any of their so called reporters if one of them got got in one of the protestors' face and got a bloody nose. All they did was exaerbate the anger of the crowd. If their peers in the media don't understand this, than they really have no sense of reality and live in their own little World. They are messing with people's lives. Just how do people that live in glass houses think Wars start? You can only push people so far. The media didn't raise hell when Synder had state police pepper spray American protestors but they would have raised hell if it was in a country that they disagreed with Policies and that Government used tactics to suppress a crowd. When people's rights are taken away, then you can expect people to react angrily even violently. That is what happened in Michigan. Events like that led up to our Civil War also. Everyone does not lay down or turn the other cheek, when someone disrespects you and get in your face. I probably would react the same if someone got in my face or pepper sprayed me too. You are talking about tough Union workers that have worked all their lives. It is not in their DNA to back down. It is not in mine either.

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Response to majorkrell (Reply #50)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:28 PM

51. Enjoy your visit here n/t

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Response to doc03 (Reply #51)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:30 PM

52. Already gone. n/t

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:58 PM

53. They want us to thank them

Republicans across the country are attempting to rob you of opportunity and increase the already enormous profits for their corporate backers, and then they’ll ask you to thank them for it.

Read my post on [link:http://unapologeticallyliberal.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/68/|

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:53 AM

55. And fox news giving them a conduit

should be shut down and the lot of them jailed for conspiracy to incite.


But then again our federal and state governments mean for laws to apply only to us little people.

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