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Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:56 PM

Democratic politicians should be more extremist.

For example Obama is not extremist enough.

When negotiating one should start from a more extreme position and then slowly inch toward the opponent's position in very small increments.

You can learn this by watching "Pawn Stars" on the History Channel.

If Obama wanted to avoid raising the Medicare age, his starting position should have been to lower the Medicare age. Then the GOP would propose raising the age, and the compromise would then be to keep the age unchanged.

The GOP and the corporate right wing understand this concept. That's why they always nominate and elect extremists, like Paul Ryan and most of the GOP Congressmen.

Obama is no dummy. So he must understand it too. He knows there must be some compromise, and so the only reasonable conclusion is that the result he actually expects is something in between his opening offer and Boehner's opening offer.

In the future we should nominate people who present themselves as more extremist in their views, especially when it comes to defending Social Security and Medicare.

That way even if they compromise a little, the result will still be pretty reasonable.





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Reply Democratic politicians should be more extremist. (Original post)
limpyhobbler Dec 2012 OP
white_wolf Dec 2012 #1
limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #7
dembotoz Dec 2012 #2
msongs Dec 2012 #3
xchrom Dec 2012 #4
limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #8
Vincardog Dec 2012 #5
limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #9
Vincardog Dec 2012 #11
forestpath Dec 2012 #6
limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #10

Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:59 PM

1. It will never happen...

The majority of the Democrats are not on the side of working people. They serve the top 1% in a different role than the Republicans, but they still serve.

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:51 PM

7. ya,

I guess most of the rank-and-file Democratic voters, like the people on DU, have good intentions but maybe they haven't been presented with great choices or something.

You're probably talking about the party elites so ya.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:06 PM

2. be careful what you wish for--joe lieberman could be considered an extreme dem

a dem could be extremely progressive or regressive

extreme just means distance from the middle of the pack

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:07 PM

3. standing up for democratic party values is only extremist to "centrists" and conservadems nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:11 PM

4. +1 & they should pull a 'Reverse Crist'. Nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:51 PM

8. word

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:22 PM

5. I would agree if I didn't suspect that PBO's opening position was his position.

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:00 PM

9. I guess you could be right.

It seems like maybe the election changed the political equation from last year. Actually that would make sense. I find him to be kind of hard to pin down. I know he insists the wealthy must pay a little more. But as of Dec 11 I'm still not sure what type of Medicare reforms he would sign or veto. Sometimes I think all the mystery is unnecessary and it would be better to just take a clear position. Maybe I just don't understand 8-dimensional chess.


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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:14 PM

11. I think 8-dimensional chess is an excuse for selling out to the Monied powers. What

Bankster has even been tried?

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:33 PM

6. I can only conclude that President Obama DOES want to raise the Medicare age.

 

He has never said anything I would consider unequivocal about not raising it. And I have a horrible feeling that he's always wanted to raise it - in addition to lowering Social Security benefits - and that he's using these "negotiations" as a way to do it.

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Response to forestpath (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:01 PM

10. honestly

that's kind of close to what I was thinking too.

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