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Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:43 PM

There is no doubt that Bob Dole is ashamed of what his party has become...

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Reply There is no doubt that Bob Dole is ashamed of what his party has become... (Original post)
Playinghardball Dec 2012 OP
patrice Dec 2012 #1
Warren Religion Dec 2012 #2
DallasNE Dec 2012 #30
liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #3
no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #4
julian09 Dec 2012 #28
Ter Dec 2012 #40
Odin2005 Dec 2012 #5
niyad Dec 2012 #6
pacalo Dec 2012 #16
gateley Dec 2012 #51
Abbraxus Dec 2012 #7
hrmjustin Dec 2012 #9
alp227 Dec 2012 #11
Terra Alta Dec 2012 #12
AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #39
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #23
calimary Dec 2012 #33
Festivito Dec 2012 #35
_ed_ Dec 2012 #36
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #47
bluestate10 Dec 2012 #8
TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #14
Cleita Dec 2012 #18
CTyankee Dec 2012 #41
SheilaT Dec 2012 #10
Cleita Dec 2012 #19
pkdu Dec 2012 #13
lpbk2713 Dec 2012 #27
calimary Dec 2012 #34
Aerows Dec 2012 #43
gringo43 Dec 2012 #49
Aerows Dec 2012 #50
99Forever Dec 2012 #15
Cleita Dec 2012 #21
WillyT Dec 2012 #17
Cha Dec 2012 #20
ReRe Dec 2012 #22
Warren Religion Dec 2012 #25
niyad Dec 2012 #29
calimary Dec 2012 #32
The Wizard Dec 2012 #24
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #26
spanone Dec 2012 #31
Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #37
KILL THE WISE ONE Dec 2012 #38
Ter Dec 2012 #42
Aerows Dec 2012 #44
santamargarita Dec 2012 #45
malaise Dec 2012 #46
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #48
Ter Dec 2012 #54
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #56
Ter Dec 2012 #57
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #58
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #52
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markpkessinger Dec 2012 #55

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:57 PM

1. It's impossible to see this as anything other than SHAME-full.

I'm pretty good at speculation and I can't imagine what anyone is capable of saying about what happened.

I REALLY can't imagine being able to say anything else about it. I hope someone brings some of those responses here, because I'm really curious how anyone could think anything other than the absolutely unmitigated, completely unjustifiable, bald-faced shameful SHAME of Republican behavior on this issue.

I simply cannot imagine how Republicans can hold their heads up above the shear embarrassment of being Republicans.

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Snagging for FB, btw, Playinghardball. Thanks!

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:02 PM

2. Yes

 

Dole was the last GOP presidential nominee I have any respect for. (My respect for McCain disappeared when he sold his soul to the wingnuts.)

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Response to Warren Religion (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:26 AM

30. McCain Lost My Respect Much Earlier Than That

While I respect his military service it wasn't long after he came home from Vietnam that he dumped over his wife who had been in a car wreck that left her crippled for a wealthy woman, now his wife -- not much different than Gingrich dumping his wife as she was in the hospital recovering from cancer treatment.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:05 PM

3. well when you're the party of not caring about anybody but yourself

you're bound to have to eat one your own sooner or later.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:11 PM

4. And that's why Orin Hatch's dedication to this new breed of repubicans defies logic to me.

Hatch was the colleague of both Bob Dole and Ted Kennedy. Actually he was close friend of Kennedy and they'd eat together often and socialize together. Democrats weren't the enemy to Hatch for many many years.

Hatch voted against this treaty on December 4, which was essentially voting against Bob Dole, a longtime colleague in the Senate.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=2&vote=00219

I don't understand Hatch. I just don't.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:13 AM

28. He is afraid he will be challenged in a primary in 2014.

 

He is too weak to stand up for his doubtful convictions, let alone a friend. In a war he would be a turncoat, nobody you can count on, so why vote for him.

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Response to julian09 (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:08 PM

40. Hatch is not up until 2018

 

n/t

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:20 PM

5. Poppy signed the ADA into Law...

...Now Republicans are lead by people like Rand Paul who think the ADA is "anti-freedumb"

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:22 PM

6. this is a man who voted against medicare, and was in bed with the koch brothers. he helped

create this monstrosity that is the repuke party, regardless of how moderate he is made out to be.

(for info on dole and the kochs: http://www.gregpalast.com/uber-vultures-the-billionaires-who-would-pick-our-president/

REPORT: How Koch Industries Makes Billions Corrupting Government And Polluting For Free (Part 2)

By Lee Fang on Mar 1, 2011 at 7:00 pm

In an opinion piece published today responding to his critics, Koch Industries CEO Charles Koch promised to continue to finance anti-government, right-wing front groups. Charles writes that the “purpose of business is to efficiently convert resources into products and services that make people’s lives better.” But when it comes to Koch’s carcinogenic pollution and carbon emissions, the purpose of Koch’s political giving is to avoid any financial responsibility — no matter who gets hurt. Koch Industries has cornered the market in monetizing some of the most dirty industrial businesses. Koch imports oil from the Middle East, refines high-carbon Canadian crude, maintains coal-burning plants, owns one of the largest oil pipeline networks in America, runs environmentally hazardous lumber mills, produces toxic chemicals, and manufacturers fertilizer. The University of Masschusetts Amherst has scored Koch as among the top ten worst air polluters for its carcinogenic chemicals.

Much of the entire Koch political machine is geared towards ensuring that Koch Industries never has to compensate the people and ecosystems damaged by Koch Industries pollution. Koch front groups — from Tea Party groups to think tanks — have diligently promoted Koch Industries’ bottom line by denying global warming, fighting regulations on Koch’s cancer-causing chemicals, and snuffing out investigations into Koch’s environmental crimes:

– In 1990, as both Republicans and Democrats proposed a cap and trade system to address acid rain, Koch financed a front group called “Concerned Citizens for the Environment” to battle proposed regulations. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported that the group “has no citizen membership of its own,” but produced studies arguing that acid rain was a myth and that deregulation would benefit the environment. Koch refineries and factories, top emitters of acid rain-causing toxins, were impacted by the successful cap and trade system. A front group founded by David Koch, Citizens for a Sound Economy (which later changed its name to Americans for Prosperity), also battled regulations designed to combat acid rain, labeling the problem a “myth.”

– Koch Industries vastly expanded its political giving in reaction to revelations that the company had systematically stolen oil from Native American reservations and federal lands. Sen. Bob Dole (R-KS), a personal friend of the Koch brothers and top recipient of Koch money, sponsored legislation to suppress an investigation into the oil thefts. Over 50 Koch Industries employees later testified that indeed the “Koch Method” of manipulating data to surreptitiously take Native American oil resulted in an estimated 300 million gallons of oil the company received for free. Koch later settled for $25 million in penalties.

. . . .


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/03/01/147376/koch-polluter-bailout/?mobile=nc

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Response to niyad (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:12 PM

16. Interesting. The Kochs were able to get around undetected for decades.

With due respect to Bob Dole's sad situation, the chickens have come home to roost for the Bob Dole I remember: a snide, mean senator. It wasn't until he was out of office & of no consequence that he reached out to Bill Clinton. I'd love to know what thoughts were going through Elizabeth Dole's head during the vote; she was even less flexible as a senator than her husband was. A real-life "what the hell have I done?" moment, if I ever saw one.

Pretty sad. Republicans just don't get the picture until it happens to them.

I'm sad for the Doles, nevertheless.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:49 PM

51. Good point about the Kochs.

And yes, what goes around... but it's still heart wrenching to see him and to view what happened.

But then, we're Liberals, we have heart. Probably doesn't bother the Republicans one iota.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:28 PM

7. My Senator's Response

Senator Chambliss said he voted against it because they weren't supposed to bring up any votes on treaties in December so the Senate could focus on avoiding the fiscal cliff. In other words it was a BS response from a Republican Senator.

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Response to Abbraxus (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:43 PM

9. Welcome to DU and I hope you enjoy the site.

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Response to Abbraxus (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:53 PM

11. Astonishing. And welcome to DU!

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Response to Abbraxus (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:54 PM

12. After the way Chambliss treated Max Cleland in 2002

it doesn't surprise me that he would vote against a bill that would help disabled people. He is a disgusting waste of human flesh.

Welcome to DU, and hope you enjoy it as much as I have!

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Response to Terra Alta (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:56 PM

39. I am a native of GA and get sick every time I think about that. n/t

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Response to Abbraxus (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:58 PM

23. As if he wouldn't make up a different excuse in January

I don't know why anybody ever addresses these people as if they were reasonable human beings. It is clear they are nothing but machines. Whatever Obama asks for, they do the opposite.

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Response to Abbraxus (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:41 AM

33. Welcome to Du, Abbraxus!

Glad to have you with us!

I find saxby chambliss to be a disgusting piece of treasonous, selfish, chickenhawk piece of flaming dogshit. He is lower than low! I will NEVER forget what he did to Max Cleland, a triple amputee veteran of the Vietnam War, who continued to serve his country so honorably once he left the service - with only one arm remaining to him, mind you! He left both his legs and his other arm back in Vietnam. shithead chambliss (whatthehell kind of name is saxby, anyway?) NEVER served. NEVER wore his country's uniform. NEVER saw combat (except maybe from his fucking lazy-ass living room TV) or put himself in harm's way in service to America. Yet this lowlife weasel had the gall to accuse Max Cleland of being unpatriotic and un-American because he opposed going to war in Iraq. And thereby took his Senate seat away from him. BASTARD BASTARD BASTARD!!!! saxby chambliss is a national disgrace on two healthy legs.

The only disgrace I find that's worse is on the heads and consciences of each and every one of the Georgia voters who originally swallowed that scum whole, and voted for chambliss against Max Cleland. What is WITH those people???????? I'm STILL pissed off about that one!!!!!

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Response to Abbraxus (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:03 AM

35. A little fiscal bluff is more important than people in need.

Now that's Republican!

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Response to Abbraxus (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:03 AM

36. In his defense,

Chambliss is actually too stupid to hold to separate ideas in his head at the same time.

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Response to _ed_ (Reply #36)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:31 PM

47. Holy cow! I think you have just explained

why Republicans are immune to cognitive dissonance.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:38 PM

8. With all respects to Bob Dole's military service, his public service is forgettable.

Dole, along with Newt Gingrich started the trend that has resulted in a dysfunctional Congress. They did so because it was politically expedient for them at that time. Leaders think ahead and envision the consequences of their present decisions, if Dole had done that during the 90s, he would have foreseen the consequences of his political conduct.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:03 PM

14. Agreed. Dole played a role in creating the current environment and not a tiny one.

Might not have happened without him such was his influence and facade.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:39 PM

18. He and other so-called moderate Republicans did invite the vampire into the house

by refusing to admit that a certain amount socialism and community is necessary in a society that functions for everyone not just an elite few.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:11 PM

41. The karma here is biting...

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:50 PM

10. While I am not all that fond of Mr. Dole myself

(I lived in Kansas while he was Senator), Republicans should be ashamed of themselves.

But Dole ought to be out there talking about what they did, not just quietly acquiescing to such treatment.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:41 PM

19. Giving the man the benefit of the doubt. He's dying so maybe not up to the task.

It seems to have taken every bit of strength that he had to appear in the chambers that day and it's so sad he was so disrespected.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:01 PM

13. These fucks should be publicly shamed every day til is passes..see below ..


NAYs ---38
Alexander (R-TN)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Heller (R-NV)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lee (R-UT)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)
Not Voting - 1
Kirk (R-IL)

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Response to pkdu (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:10 AM

27. I hope Florida's Senior voters remember how Rubio voted.




Thanks for the list.


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Response to pkdu (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:44 AM

34. Yep. Just as I thought. That fucker saxby chambliss is there, too.

In all his "glory." He's a frickin' turdblossom without the blossom.

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Response to pkdu (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:15 PM

43. No surprise

that the idiots Cochran and Wicker from MS voted against it. I will continue to do everything I can to vote those two out of office. They are shameful piles of crap. I can't do anything about the others, but in my state, I can do something. I hope everyone else feels the same way about the piles of crap that voted NO in their own states.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:07 PM

49. I know how you feel..

....we need to send Nunlee home too!

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Response to gringo43 (Reply #49)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:44 PM

50. I'm stuck with Palazzo

Gene Taylor wasn't the most progressive of legislators, but at least he was a Democrat. Now we have this dude. He needs to go, just like Nunnelee does. 2014, my friend, we need to vote them out.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:07 PM

15. Is anyone actually surprised that this happened?

I doubt it. An evil has infested this nation and stolen it's compassion. It's evident all around you, if you just open your eyes and look.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:50 PM

21. Not really, but now I know for sure that the present Republican sect ruining

our country and the world is evil to the core. Not that I didn't know before but now there is no doubt. When you turn your back on your own, it proves it.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:17 PM

17. Unfortunately... The Death Panel Of The Republican Party Had It's Say.



& Rec !!!

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:50 PM

20. One thing that's going for Bob Dole is that he is the one

who came to Senate as a Veteran and asked for the Passage of the UN Treaty. He can hold his head high.

The 38 republicon senators will go down in Infamy as those who voted against it. I think they only Disgraced themselves.. These evil Plutocrats are not our Country.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:56 PM

22. Shame on the 38! Shame on the 38! Shame on the 38! Shame on the 38!

Thems some low-down dirty MoFos right there. Shame on em.....

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Response to ReRe (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:02 AM

25. I've been searching for their names

 

Thus far, no complete listing of the 30-hate.

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Response to Warren Religion (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:14 AM

29. see post 13 above for the list

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Response to Warren Religion (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:46 AM

32. Welcome to DU, Warren Religion! It's pkdu's post #13, above.

All 38 of the Asshole Club. There for all to see, along with what state they "represent."

Should all have (R-Seventh Level of Hell) for all I care! That would be far more accurate.

Glad you're here! Help us fight these bastards - and BEAT their asses!

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:58 PM

24. they're offensive to

the human race

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:02 AM

26. If this is true, then why has Dole remained silent? People like him share the blame.

Richard Lugar went along with the crazies -- never said a word against them. Look where it got him.

Allen Simpson is about the only Republican of any note that has been willing to say anything remotely approaching the truth about the lunatics that have taken over the GOP. Every Republican who remains silent is complicit.

I would have a lot more compassion for Bob Dole if he had opened his damn mouth and spoken the truth any time in the past 10 years. As far as I know he has not lost his mental capabilities and could speak if he wanted to. If I am wrong about that, they I take it all back. But even in that case, Elizabeth Dole could speak.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:44 AM

31. the republican party is a disgrace to america and all it stands for

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 10:33 AM

37. Bob Dole helped make his Party what it is today. And I sure don't hear him saying

he's ashamed of them. His career actions indicate that this is exactly what he wanted to see happen...to other people.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:03 PM

38. They just continued down the path he lead - should have thought about the direction he was leading

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:13 PM

42. Fair question: Is it possible to vote against this and not be anti-disabled...

 

...On grounds that you are anti-UN, and don't want them having say over our sovereignty? Again, this is just a question, I've seen the arguments from the other side.

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Response to Ter (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:22 PM

44. I'd wager

that a good chunk of these 38 would argue from that position, but it doesn't make their votes right, and it doesn't make the argument sound.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:26 PM

45. Every human is ashamed of what his party has become.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:28 PM

46. Well it might not have to to this if he had condemned Bush and Cheney during their

LIE-fest and the illegal invasion of Iraq - forget not the war crimes and remember to tell Bob Dole that silence is consent.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:47 PM

48. BTW, Dole is not a war hero.

He was tragically badly wounded and partially paralyzed by a random enemy shell in the European Theatre after having spent about a month in the field as a 2LT platoon leader. That makes him a casualty of enemy fire, but does not in itself make him a war hero.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #48)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 10:38 PM

54. Maybe to you

 

How do you know he didn't take any enemies out?

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Response to Ter (Reply #54)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 03:44 PM

56. Based on his war record.

He has no awards for valor. If he did, you may be sure we would know about it.

Jeez, I was shot in Vietnam too, but wasn't doing anything heroic at the time, and certainly don't consider myself a hero for it.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #56)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:50 PM

57. Why would we know?

 

Good soldiers don't brag about kills, and not all may have been reported. It was the 40's in a huge war.

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Response to Ter (Reply #57)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:23 AM

58. Killing isn't necessarily a valorous act either,

depending on the circumstances.

However, if he had been awarded a medal (and officers, then as now, were more readily awarded medals than EM), I assure you he would have advertised the fact. He's a politician.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:44 PM

52. Well where the hell was he during the Rise of the Neocons?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:32 PM

53. Who cares? No one forced him to belong to it. nt

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 10:47 PM

55. Bob Dole said and did nothing . . .

. . .as his party became ever more extreme. He's upset now, because this happens to be something he supports. Mind you, I think it is certainly shameful that the treaty wasn't ratified -- but as for Bob Dole's feelings on the matter, all I can say is: BOO-FUCKING-HOO!

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