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Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:00 PM

They are not effing "Entitlements"!!!!!

They are earned benifits.

Stop posting stories calling them entitlements.

By defining them as entitlements they can then demonizing them. They dont need our help.

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Reply They are not effing "Entitlements"!!!!! (Original post)
sellitman Dec 2012 OP
TheMastersNemesis Dec 2012 #1
Cleita Dec 2012 #2
Lex Dec 2012 #3
RebelOne Dec 2012 #20
Chakab Dec 2012 #28
LeftofObama Dec 2012 #4
Lex Dec 2012 #5
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #32
Lex Dec 2012 #43
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #57
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #46
still_one Dec 2012 #52
duffyduff Dec 2012 #11
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #33
Lex Dec 2012 #44
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #58
sellitman Dec 2012 #36
hedgehog Dec 2012 #6
annabanana Dec 2012 #7
Lex Dec 2012 #8
freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #27
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #34
cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #9
Cleita Dec 2012 #16
nenagh Dec 2012 #19
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #26
Cleita Dec 2012 #42
sellitman Dec 2012 #37
duffyduff Dec 2012 #10
johnp3907 Dec 2012 #12
Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #13
sellitman Dec 2012 #39
0rganism Dec 2012 #14
Atman Dec 2012 #15
WillyT Dec 2012 #17
Raine Dec 2012 #18
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2012 #21
Recursion Dec 2012 #22
MrModerate Dec 2012 #23
LongTomH Dec 2012 #24
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #25
moblsv Dec 2012 #29
jaysunb Dec 2012 #30
sellitman Dec 2012 #38
lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #49
dkf Dec 2012 #31
freshwest Dec 2012 #35
Yo_Mama Dec 2012 #40
alarimer Dec 2012 #41
Silver Swan Dec 2012 #45
lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #47
downandoutnow Dec 2012 #48
slackmaster Dec 2012 #50
still_one Dec 2012 #51
veganlush Dec 2012 #53
Matariki Dec 2012 #54
Art_from_Ark Dec 2012 #55
David__77 Dec 2012 #56

Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:01 PM

1. Yes They Are Earned Or Prepaid Benefits - You Are Entitled To What You Pay For.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:03 PM

2. Earned benefits, prepaid benefits, or paid social insurance any way you want to

label them that doesn't sound like welfare is fine with me. Although entitlements technically mean stuff you are taxed for or paid into and are entitled to, the right wing has made it sound like welfare, which it isn't. Since the meaning of the label has changed, it's time to change the label to be more accurate.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:05 PM

3. You are "entitled" to them because you paid for them.

It's English.

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Response to Lex (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:44 PM

20. Yes, I agree.

I am collecting the entitlement of Social Security because I earned that money.

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Response to Lex (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:24 PM

28. Thank you.

"Entitlement" is yet another innocuous word that these right wing cretins have managed to demonize.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:05 PM

4. Earned benefits.

That's what I call them and I correct anyone who uses the term, entitlements.

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Response to LeftofObama (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:06 PM

5. Entitlement is correct, though.

You earned them so of course you are entitled to them.

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Response to Lex (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:53 PM

32. The word entitlement includes the word "entitle," which among other definitions

means "to confer a title or rank or honour upon."

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/entitle

The word entitlement has a negative connotation in that it evokes the sense that the person receiving the entitlement is being given an honour or rank. This people associate with benefits that are given only to a specific, privileged group and not always because they are earned.

The Republicans like that term because they think it causes people to feel, subconsciously that those receiving the entitlement are getting a privilege to which they are not really entitled. It is a very strange twist that is due to the ambiguity of our language.

Makes no sense, but that is how people react to that word. "Well, what makes you think you are entitled to money from the government when you retire?" That is the feeling the Republicans want to give people.

In fact, we get our small Social Security payments because we paid into the system and supported our own parents in addition to paying extra so that there would be some cushion when we retired and our children would not have too big a burden supporting us.

Unfortunately, GWBush and his friends had other plans for Social Security. He admittedly wanted to destroy ("privatize" is the word he used) Social Security. After all, his dad and grandads were rich, so he can retire without it. He transferred tax money to his friends in the defense industry on the pretext we needed to fight two wars at once without raising taxes. Then he LOWERED taxes, a little on the poor and middle class and A LOT ON THE RICH. And then, at the very end of his term, with Obama's acquiescence, Bush gave away a lot of money to Wall Street. In his interview with Papantonio which is available here on DU, Les Leopold explains that Wall Street has never really paid back what it stole and wasted in the latter years of the Bush administration.

So that is why the word "entitlement" should not be used to refer to Social Security benefits. They are benefits -- like insurance benefits -- like annuity benefits. They are benefits that we earned.

enĚtiĚtle (n-ttl)
tr.v. enĚtiĚtled, enĚtiĚtling, enĚtiĚtles
1. To give a name or title to.
2. To furnish with a right or claim to something: The coupon entitles the bearer to a 25 percent savings. Every citizen is entitled to equal protection under the law.

entitle
vb (tr)
1. to give (a person) the right to do or have something; qualify; allow
2. to give a name or title to
3. to confer a title of rank or honour upon

entitlement n

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/entitle

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:29 PM

43. "To furnish with a right or claim to something"

which is because the Social Security benefits are something you have a RIGHT to precisely because you earned them.

You're looking at the wrong definition of the word. It has absolutely nothing to do with honor or rank.






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Response to Lex (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:44 PM

57. Yes. That's the point. The word has one meaning that is appropriate but also, due to the

fact that it has other meanings that are not appropriate to Social Security, suggests to the subconscious of those who hear Republicans refer to Social Security benefits as "entitlements," something to which the recipients have no right. It's another Republican language trick. They fool people by using words that have multiple meanings or negative associations. It's a creepy strategy, but that is what they do.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:51 PM

46. "that is due to the ambiguity of our language." no, it has nothing to do with any ambiguity in

 

the language. It has to do with the republicans' deliberate campaign to flip the original meaning and useage of the word.

a campaign that could be a poster child for orwell-speak of the same variety as "war is peace".

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Response to Lex (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:15 AM

52. exactly

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Response to LeftofObama (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:15 PM

11. You correct them, and you are wrong

You are making a distinction without a difference.

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Response to duffyduff (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:00 PM

33. There is a difference.

Please see my Post # 32.

enĚtiĚtle (n-ttl)
tr.v. enĚtiĚtled, enĚtiĚtling, enĚtiĚtles
1. To give a name or title to.
2. To furnish with a right or claim to something: The coupon entitles the bearer to a 25 percent savings. Every citizen is entitled to equal protection under the law.

entitle
vb (tr)
1. to give (a person) the right to do or have something; qualify; allow
2. to give a name or title to
3. to confer a title of rank or honour upon

entitlement n

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/entitle

The word "entitle" and its derivative "entitlement" also have the meaning of "to confer a title of rank or honour upon." It does not include anything requiring that the "entitlement" be earned. In fact, Social Security benefits must be earned. There are other benefits for retirees that are not earned, but Social Security must be earned and is awarded according to how much one earned and contributed to the system when one was working.

That is why "entitlement" is not really an accurate term for Social Security benefits. We paid for our Social Security benefits and therefore have a right to them. We are entitled to a fair trial even though we did nothing to earn our right to a fair trial.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:30 PM

44. It's not the definition about honor or rank.

It's about having a right or claim to something. You have a right (you are entitled) to the benefits because you've earned them by paying into the system.

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Response to Lex (Reply #44)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:50 PM

58. The Republican trick is to use the word "entitlement" BECAUSE it has multiple meanings

and therefore a subconscious association with something inappropriate and inaccurate.

That's how Republicans fool people -- by choosing words that evoke negative feelings in people about liberal ideas. Often words with multiple meanings do that.

Another trick is to use words together so as to evoke a very negative image. "Welfare queen" is an example of that Republican twisting of the English language. Another example is "Defense of Marriage." Whose marriage does that Act defend? No one's. It should be called "Prevention of Marriage." That would be more accurate.

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Response to LeftofObama (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:11 PM

36. yes

I do the same .

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:06 PM

6. These are the items of the Federal budget that are paid for in full to the penny - and by the lowest

wage earners in the country!

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:07 PM

7. Sadly, the RW Wurlitzer has done the same thing to the word

"entitlement" that they did to "liberal". We just haven't reclaimed it yet.

You ARE ENTITLED to those funds. They are earned, they are not "given" to you.

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Response to annabanana (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:08 PM

8. We shouldn't buy into their idiotic understanding of "entitlements" however.

Or at least I don't think so.

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Response to Lex (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:22 PM

27. Agree.

Last edited Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:53 PM - Edit history (1)

They are entitlements. Nothing wrong with that.

Come up with a different word for it and they can make that sound illegitimate too. Just call them what they are: entitlements, something to which we have a right.

Edited to remove inappropriate text added by auto-complete.

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Response to annabanana (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:01 PM

34. Please see my posts 32 and 33.

Social Security should be called a benefit because we pay for it.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:10 PM

9. They are entitlements. The problem is yours, in not knowing what the word means.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:11 PM

16. The media through innuendo has changed the meaning of the word in this context.

It's time for our side to stop using that word and find another that more accurately describes the nature of what is in truth insurance.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:44 PM

19. Some people hear that Democrats are resisting changes to entitlements...

Their brain reads this as Romney's 47% remark about people who think they are entitled to government handouts..

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Response to Cleita (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:17 PM

26. Shall we stop calling ourselves liberals too?

The right treats that like a dirty word too.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:01 PM

42. No. Liberal I claim because you really can't change the meaning. If you notice

when they sneer about liberals, they usually put an adjective in front of it to make it sound unsavory. For instance they might say dumb liberals. So does that mean they don't like liberals or just dumb ones. Look up some of Ann Coulter's writings about liberals and you'll notice she employs this ruse all the time. When you get them going in circles as to exactly what kind of liberal they don't like, it makes their heads spin.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:13 PM

37. The word is used differently today in this instance

And you know that.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:14 PM

10. They ARE entitlements

You pay into it, you are entitled to receive the benefit.

They are the exact opposite of means-tested programs like Medicaid, Section 8, and food stamps.

Lots of semantic nonsense has been spewed.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:55 PM

13. Not this shit again. Words have real meanings.

a : the state or condition of being entitled : right
b : a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract.

We have a right to SS and Medicare benefits specifically established by law. The fact that the right says "entitlement" with a sneer does not alter its meaning.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:24 PM

39. I disagree

Just as we changed Obamacare from a derogatory expression to a positive one, words can change. At least in context.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:07 PM

14. question we should be asking: "why has the right wing picked 'entitlements' as an easy target?"

Not "welfare", not "handouts to undeserving scumbags", entitlements. AKA, that which we have earned and rightfully deserve by virtue of living in and contributing to this relatively wealthy society and its economy.

For some reason, many people in this country have become convinced that they (or at least everyone else) are entitled to nothing at all.

This is the battle we need to fight.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:10 PM

15. What is wrong with the word "Entitlement?"

If you work, you are "entitled" to a paycheck. If you paid into SS and/or Medicare, you are "entitled" to the benefits you paid for. They (the GOP) has made "entitlement" a dirty word, just as they did to "liberal."

I'm proud to be a liberal, and a I have no problem demanding that to which I am entitled by virtue of my having worked for it.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:14 PM

17. Currently... The Only Ones Feeling "Entitled"... Are The Very Rich


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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:21 PM

18. They ARE entitlements, you paid for them so you are ENTITLED to get what you paid for. The problem

is our side let them define entitlement as a bad thing but it is not. If I buy something in a store I'm ENTITLED to the item, I fucking paid for it, it's theft on there part if I don't get it ... that's all there is to it!!!

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:54 PM

21. I agree.

I'm 55, I've paid into Social Security and Medicare all my working life.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:06 PM

22. Aww jeez...



"Entitlement" means "mandatory spending other than interest on the national debt." i.e., the recipients of the spending are legally entitled to receive them absent any further acts of Congress. This entitlement is independent of any "paying in"; people receive Social Security and Medicare without having paid anything in in some cases, and there's no paying in to most of the other programs.

The following spending is entitlement spending:

TANF
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Unemployment
SSI
Disability
SNAP (but not WIC, oddly enough)
Farm subsidies outside of the Farm Bill
TriCare
Government employee pensions
VA pensions
Railroad employee pensions

This spending together is what people are talking about when they say "entitlements". About 1/3 is Social Security, 1/3 is Medicare, 1/6 is Medicaid, and the others split up the remaining 1/6. Together, entitlement programs are a little more than twice what defense spending is every year.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:07 PM

23. How about instead of running in fear . . .

When righty jackasses try to hijack the language ("the Democrat Party," "liberal" as a pejorative, "socialist" redefined to mean 'something I don't like') we fight back with precise language about what they're trying to do.

Like "steal," and "cheat," and "lie"?

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:11 PM

24. K&R I agree totally!

We should always call them Earned Benefits, especially when we're trying to counter RW arguments!

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:16 PM

25. And what is wrong with "entitlement"?

entitlement |enˈtītlmənt|
noun
the fact of having a right to something


"RIGHT" is stronger than "benefit"

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:35 PM

29. Classic Example of GOP changing our language

The definition of "Entitlement" came from Accounting where an "Entitlement" referred to an obligation identified in the records of a securities intermediary as a security debt against the securities intermediary.

In other words. We agreed to a deal and we expect them to honor the agreement.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:38 PM

30. I AM "entitled to the money

I paid in as insurance for my 45 year work history.

Don't let republican propaganda specialists (Frank Luntz ? among others) get you confused, like they did when they turn "liberal" into some kinda dirty word or position.

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:20 PM

38. When they lump programs like food stamps and Medicare together, they call them entitlements.

I have access to a dictionary. i know what the term means.

Wether we like it or not the righties have changed the meaning or at the very least the context.

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Response to sellitman (Reply #38)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:04 AM

49. self delete

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:42 PM

31. In that case you shouldn't get coverage for doctors or drugs through Medicare.

 

Because Medicare Part B and D have no trust funds and no payroll tax.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:11 PM

35. Sir, yes, Sir!

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:24 PM

40. That's what "entitled" means

It means yours by right.

Just as your "title" in your house signifies your legal ownership of your house! "Entitled" is to have title to something.

The word is a good word - don't let people change the meaning on you.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:24 PM

41. They are, but too many people think it means "freeloading"

When these are programs you have paid into and are, thus, "entitled" to.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:48 PM

45. I worked for the Social Security Administration for 35 years

The word used to describe a Social Security beneficiary was "entitled." That word is in the Social Security Act, and it is not a bad word, it is a legal description.

If you are at least age 62, and you have worked long enough, you are "eligible" for Social Security retirement benefits. If you file a claim, and provide evidence of your age, etc., you are awarded benefits, and are henceforth "entitled."

It is just typical Republican idiocy to try and make something bad out of something legal.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:03 AM

47. They *are* entitlements, which *is not* a cussword.

It is the buy-in to the rightwing framing that demonizes it.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:04 AM

48. An idea: the negative connotation comes from spoiled kids and bad generations --

 

Along the lines of a "sense of entitlement" or an "entitled attitude" - generally referencing spoiled children, or younger generations that are full of themselves and lacking in respect, such as Millenials or as Boomers were in their prime.

I think it's this meaning that began to bleed over into the political sphere, obviously with a huge push from the anti-government right-wing, but I think it's the "bad kid" sense that has made this word so negative.

I did a little Googling of "sense of entitlement" or "entitled attitude" - using Google books - furthest back I could find was 1970s - some references from 1979 and a couple from 1972 - in all cases, they were references to problem children.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:08 AM

50. This discussion reminds me of something an old sex manual said about the words penis and vagina

 

"We should not be ashamed to call by its proper name that which God was not ashamed to create."

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:14 AM

51. entitlements mean we are entitled to them because we paid

For it

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:43 AM

53. no, you are wrong.

What we have to do is stop letting them change the meanings of words. "Liberal" is a good example. You paid for them, so you are entitled to them.Stop hearing words the way they want you to hear them. When we change words for them, like" progressive "instead of "liberal", it makes it look like WE are agreeing with their demonization of the word. Stop helping them.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:39 AM

54. Earned Benefits is better framing

but they are still entitlements in the sense that we are entitled to Social Security and Medicare because we've paid for them.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:43 AM

55. Tell that to the US Social Security Administration

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:37 AM

56. People love Social Security - it's an entitlement.

Let the GOP oppose it, but Democrats shouldn't.

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