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Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:58 PM

I'll Say It Again... If I Were King (LOL !!!) I'd Tie The Top Marginal Tax Rate To The Unemployment

Rate, AND... The Poverty Rate.

Hike it back up to 60 or 70 percent, and then tell... "THE JOB CREATORS"...

For every point of unemployment reduction, you, as a class, get 5 points off your tax rate.

I'd have experts figure out how to come up with some similar formula for the poverty rate so they have to start paying everybody a Living Wage.

C'mon "JOB CREATORS"... put you monies where your mouths are.


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Reply I'll Say It Again... If I Were King (LOL !!!) I'd Tie The Top Marginal Tax Rate To The Unemployment (Original post)
WillyT Dec 2012 OP
peacebird Dec 2012 #1
Old and In the Way Dec 2012 #2
99Forever Dec 2012 #3
lightcameron Dec 2012 #4
ProSense Dec 2012 #5
immoderate Dec 2012 #6
Speck Tater Dec 2012 #7
ProSense Dec 2012 #8
WillyT Dec 2012 #9
Chemisse Dec 2012 #12
Speck Tater Dec 2012 #13
jeff47 Dec 2012 #20
Chemisse Dec 2012 #27
Enrique Dec 2012 #15
Speck Tater Dec 2012 #18
Enrique Dec 2012 #19
WillyT Dec 2012 #34
sendero Dec 2012 #28
lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #31
flashsmith99 Dec 2012 #10
Chemisse Dec 2012 #11
Ohio Joe Dec 2012 #14
Terra Alta Dec 2012 #16
OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #25
Politicub Dec 2012 #17
abelenkpe Dec 2012 #21
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #22
loudsue Dec 2012 #23
WillyT Dec 2012 #24
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #26
Blanks Dec 2012 #29
Ganja Ninja Dec 2012 #30
midnight Dec 2012 #32
WillyT Dec 2012 #33

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:00 PM

1. Love it!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:03 PM

2. Excellent idea. nt

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:04 PM

3. Willy T for King!

All in favor say aye.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:10 PM

4. I'd do something similar for elected officials.

It would be nice to do it from the President all the way down to the the local school boards.

But this wouldn't have to be a tax. It would just be a reduction in pay commensurate with the unemployment rate. Or, hell, do it the other way. Start them off at $0 and they can work their way up based on performance. Sort of like a commission-based employment.

There are lots of ways to bring the powerful down from their high perches (both public and private) and make them once again work for the society they claim to serve.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:14 PM

5. You're not a very good negotiator

Hike it back up to 60 or 70 percent, and then tell... "THE JOB CREATORS"...

For every point of unemployment reduction, you, as a class, get 5 points off your tax rate.

You need to start at 85 percent to 90 percent.

That way if they knock four points off the rate (to under four percent), the top rate will still be 65 percent to 70 percent. Of course, that would inspire millions more people to re-enter the job market, pushing the rate back up to seven percent. Then when the "job creators" knock it down another four points, ending at say three percent, the top tax rate will still be 45 percent to 50 percent.

Otherwise, I like the idea.



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Response to ProSense (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:22 PM

6. How to save capitalism.

It's the story of the Golden Goose. Republicans want to cut it open. Democrats want to preserve it.

--imm

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:23 PM

7. That would create what we engineers call an oscillator.

 

The unemployment numbers would oscillate up and down in an exaggerated cycle of boom and bust. Rising unemployment would lead to rising tax rates which would bring down the unemployment rate which would reduce the taxes which would push the unemployment back up.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:27 PM

8. What if it's a one-time deal

"The unemployment numbers would oscillate up and down in an exaggerated cycle of boom and bust."

...expiring in three years?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:40 PM

9. And This Time... If It Works... We Can Vote To Extend It...



But your "one time" idea is also interesting. If booms and busts don't happen more frequently.




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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:49 PM

12. Why would reducing the taxes push the unemployment back up?

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Response to Chemisse (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:51 PM

13. Why would increasing the taxes push the unemployment back down?

 

If there is a cause and effect relationship then it works both ways. If it doesn't work both ways it doesn't work either way. So either it wont work at all, or it will set up an oscillation.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:30 PM

20. Incentive.

If the theory is that the "job creators" can create jobs, this system provides them with incentive to do so. Since this theory is moronic bullshit, mostly it would raise the tax rate on the wealthy a lot. Which I'm having a hard time finding a downside.

The question becomes, why would unemployment shoot up beyond our current boom/bust cycle?

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:35 AM

27. Because employers would have an incentive to hire.

Knowing their taxes would go back up again if they laid off their employees would theoretically act as a disincentive to do so.

So I don't understand why there would be an oscillation.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:54 PM

15. osciallators can be tuned

the cycle doesn't necessarily have to be exaggerated.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:14 PM

18. Oscialltors can be tuned WHEN you understand PRECISELY the feedbacks,

 

and the latencies inherent in those feedbacks.

If you don't have precise understanding of the nature and strength of the feedbacks then all you can do is "fiddle" with them, and then you don't know how to wait for an effect if you don't know the latencies.

So, no, you can't tune them when you don't understand the exact nature of the feedback loops.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:23 PM

19. yes, care must be taken

we will need to have many economists study King Willy's plan carefully before putting it into action.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 10:32 PM

34. LOL !!!

"I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your King."





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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:44 AM

28. Oscillation....

... is the result of overstimulus. That would only happen if the ratio between the rates was too high.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:01 AM

31. short answer: no. Longer answer: only if those employees didn't buy stuff.

Your premise is that rich people would hire folks to get a tax break, then "Holy shit! These employees are costing me more than my taxes" and fire them all.

Next year: "70% income tax rate??? Call Labor Ready!"

That might have a crumb of validity if the employees weren't purchasing the rich person's goods and services. He might not like paying all those employees, but he sure isn't going to fire them until the backlog of orders is fulfilled.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:41 PM

10. If I were King, I'd impose a federal intangible property tax

I'd make it graduated. 0% for the first 5 million, 100% after that. Ronald Reagan was right. Trickle down economics works just fine, you just have to squeeze the sponge. Basically, the millionaires would have to use it or lose it. Don't care if they spend it on solid gold toilets. Workers have to mine the gold, smelt it, transport it, pour it into the mold, box it up, ship it and install it. Jobs,Jobs,Jobs,Jobs,Jobs

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:48 PM

11. Now THAT is a good idea. :)

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:53 PM

14. Thats... Actually a really good idea...

I expect an accountant could come up with some exact numbers to plug in but the concept is outstanding.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:55 PM

16. Great idea!

Unfortunately, I don't see it ever happening.

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Response to Terra Alta (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:32 PM

25. But, but . . . but they're the job creators. Job creation is totally within their hands.

I mean, that's what the Rs say. So, if it's true, why wouldn't the Rs agree to this?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:06 PM

17. Cool idea. It would shake things up!

I believe the mega wealthy are a threat to our economic security and should be dealt with as such.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:32 PM

21. 60 or 70 percent?

Take it back to 90 like it was under Eisenhower. That was what it took to give our country a healthy thriving middle class and truly recover from the depression. We have the road map for how to solve our problems, just not the will to follow it.

We need a new new deal.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:33 PM

22. Genius idea.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:34 PM

23. Willy T....I LOVE how you think!! You should be king...

If we get to vote for king....you've got my vote.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:21 PM

24. It's Good To Be The King !!!




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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:34 PM

26. Why are you so much smarter than the folks we pay to

fix these problems (and who can't come up with any solutions other than to eliminate taxes on those who hurt the country the most)??

Seriously. You'd think they would come up with something like this if they actually gave a damn.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:55 AM

29. The top marginal tax rate needs to be tied to the deficit.

What we have here is too many folks are too close to the money spigot. Put the top rate at 91% (like it was in the 1950's) and if the deficit starts coming down; then the top rate can come down a little.

Use that extra revenue to improve infrastructure (which the wealthy benefit the most from anyway). That way if the contractor makes more than his fair share; it goes back to the government. If the contractor pays his employees well; good jobs have been created.

If you reduce the tax on the 'job creators' because they have created jobs; they will create shitty jobs.

I'm gonna vote for a different king.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:16 AM

30. I say starting at a 4% unemployment rate ...

tax the top 1% of earners at 35%. After that add 3% to the rate for every 1% increase in the unemployment rate.

The real catch here is that you have to have an accurate unemployment rate. You need a formula that takes into account all unemployed people who are looking for work or not and factors in people who are part time or underemployed.

I would also change the payroll tax to eliminate the cap and instead have a floor. People would not have to contribute and instead would be credited their contributions for the first $10,000 of income. After that they would be taxed at the current rate.

And since the Government seems to be unwilling to honor it's obligation to the social security trust fund, I would also stop putting surplus funds in the trust fund and instead distribute the yearly surplus evenly among the current recipients.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:21 AM

32. It sounds like an idea who's time has come.... and then we could roll out the full employment act..

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:29 PM

33. Last Kick From Me...


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