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Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:35 PM

37% = FAIL. Let's face it, the "Fiscal Bluff" is the best deal we're going to get.

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"The fiscal cliff deal comes clearer: a 37% top tax rate and a higher Medicare eligibility age"

- http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/07/the-fiscal-cliff-deal-comes-clearer-a-37-top-tax-rate-and-a-higher-medicare-eligibility-age/

37% IS an extension of the Bush tax cuts!!!!

FAIL

Give me the Fiscal Bluff.

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Reply 37% = FAIL. Let's face it, the "Fiscal Bluff" is the best deal we're going to get. (Original post)
grahamhgreen Dec 2012 OP
Old Codger Dec 2012 #1
Marrah_G Dec 2012 #2
Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #3
grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #14
Aerows Dec 2012 #4
ProSense Dec 2012 #5
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #6
Faryn Balyncd Dec 2012 #7
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #8
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #9
gollygee Dec 2012 #10
forestpath Dec 2012 #11
DemocracyInaction Dec 2012 #12
Faryn Balyncd Dec 2012 #13

Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 04:59 PM

1. The fact is

That the only way it will ever get fixed is to stop playing with it and let it happen then get serious about really fixing it. I doubt that will happen, they will slap some temporary "fix" on it and play some more headlines, that seems to be the only way they can do things anymore.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 05:05 PM

2. So once again the rich win and working people lose

.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 05:05 PM

3. The $ the Rich get to keep = the money slashed from Medicare

Virtually exactly. The Bush tax cuts were unpopular at the time. Americans polled strongly against them. Al Gore won the popular vote. Dick Cheney cast the tie breaking vote in the Senate to make the Bush cuts law. By law they aere supposed to expire in 10 years.

So now, in 9rder to let the rich keep some of those boudget busting unpopular and temporary tax cuts, all Americans are being asked to delay receiving Medicare by 2 additional years.

A deal like that should be fought on the streets.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:31 AM

14. That's s great point and completely

unacceptable.

Why would we accept a deal that's actually worse than doing nothing?

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 05:08 PM

4. Don't fall off it

Jump.

Democrats will be heralded as staunch stalwarts if they do. If they cave, they can kiss a House majority goodbye in 2014. They got a mandate, and if they don't use it, they won't get another.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 05:15 PM

5. Proof that post was nonsense

Here's Ezra pushing another idea, and still claiming to hate the previous one.

A better way to raise the eligibility age for retirement benefits.

Posted by Ezra Klein

Over the last few days, Iíve reported that raising the age for Medicare eligibility is very much on the table in the fiscal cliff talks. That has led some to believe that I support the ideas as part of a deal. I donít.

Iíll be clear: Raising the Medicare eligibility age makes no sense. It cuts federal health-care spending but raises national health spending, which is what really matters. It doesnít modernize the system or bend the cost curve. It doesnít connect to any coherent theory of health reform, like increasing Medicareís bargaining power, increasing competition in Medicare, ending fee-for-service medicine, or learning which treatments work and which donít. Iím not opposed to cutting Medicare ó quite the opposite, actually ó but this is a particularly brain-dead way to do it.

Its importance in the negotiations is attributable to the fact that raising the age at which Americans can receive Medicare and Social Security has a weird, symbolic power in Washington. As House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi puts it, the eligibility age is ďa trophyĒ that Republicans can bring back to their base. Though the policy is deeply unpopular with voters, itís quite popular among Republican elites.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/10/a-better-way-to-raise-the-eligibility-age-for-retirement-benefits/

It's a horrible idea that makes no sense, but here is a better way to screw over seniors to appease Republican elites?

Are talks between Obama and Boehner already breaking down?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021956768

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 05:19 PM

6. go over the cliff & let the republicans own it. then tar them with "won't compromise, killing

 

seniors, children & workers while giving entitlements to the rich"

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 05:28 PM

7. I'm with you.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:31 PM

8. Fiscal Bluff, I like it. You are correct, the consequences of inaction are, or should be, the very

 

least we should accept. Maybe this time the Dems will understand who it is that gave them their jobs.
& R

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:33 PM

9. The OP's scenario IMHO would be considered a loss for our side. BIG time.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:36 PM

10. Yeah I think we have to go over this so-called cliff

Which is a propaganda phrase anyway, but still we have to do it and call their bluff.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:37 PM

11. If they do this my voting days are over.

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:02 PM

12. Are you surprised we are being played?

Obama wants to protect the rich while looking like he is our protector and wants to gut ss and Medicare as much as the rich do in order to "adjust" our lives as quickly as possible for their benefit. And we thought the Kochs lost....silly people. The repukes will be soon doing the Bohner "I got 95%" of what I wanted dance and we will be the fanatic "retards " a la Rahm again....and the repukes will be given a new birth of life so we can all raise a billion for the next election. Over the next few years we will be gutted even more.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:18 PM

13. The tax rates for the 1%, though important, are small potatoes & a distraction from the vital issues

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