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Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:07 AM

Does the US need an Army, Air Force, Navy or intelligence agencies?

What sort of national defense apparatus does the United States actually need to protect its people?

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Reply Does the US need an Army, Air Force, Navy or intelligence agencies? (Original post)
BrentWil Dec 2012 OP
jberryhill Dec 2012 #1
truebluegreen Dec 2012 #10
BrentWil Dec 2012 #21
underthematrix Dec 2012 #2
former-republican Dec 2012 #3
RC Dec 2012 #7
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #4
jsr Dec 2012 #5
Brother Buzz Dec 2012 #8
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #12
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Brother Buzz Dec 2012 #13
allrevvedup Dec 2012 #6
WillyT Dec 2012 #9
JaneQPublic Dec 2012 #11
Douglas Carpenter Dec 2012 #14
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #15
Selatius Dec 2012 #16
GaYellowDawg Dec 2012 #17
Third Doctor Dec 2012 #18
TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #19
Sgent Dec 2012 #20
rppper Dec 2012 #22
AlexSatan Dec 2012 #24
greytdemocrat Dec 2012 #23
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #25

Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:09 AM

1. There's nothing about an Air Force in the Constitution

Run that one by a teabagger some time.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:43 AM

10. Even better, in the confronting-a-teabagger scenario

is that the Constitution expressly forbids a standing army.

Aren't they the ones who think the only reason to have a federal government is the military?

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:47 AM

21. Not really

It simply says Congress must authorize then every two years.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:12 AM

2. Yes we need a military because eveything is not

about reacting to what others do.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:21 AM

3. Is this a serious question ?

 

You think the country doesn't need a military..

okay

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Response to former-republican (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:34 AM

7. What good is a military that is scattered all over the world, doing everything but defending this

 

country In fact they are doing more to make enemies than they are in keeping the peace.

Hey look, some kids playing! Where's the nearest drone?

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:22 AM

4. Really? Should I take this seriously?

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:24 AM

5. Yes, we need Eye Spy Community-Military Intelligence (All Three)

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Response to jsr (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:37 AM

8. You win!

I won road scholar from the United States Navy/United States Marine Corp. at West Point.



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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:03 AM

12. Where did you find this jewel?

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:25 AM

6. I'd settle for a coast guard.

 

The rest has got to go.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:40 AM

9. Well Of Course... If We Want To Support, And Continue, Our Empire...

Now... HOW MUCH do we need, for the protection of our citizenry... much, much, less.


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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:57 AM

11. You should have posted this on Dec. 7, just for the shear irony of it. (nt)

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:29 AM

14. given the size and scope of America it is unavoidable that the U.S. would be a major military power

It certainly could be downsized. There is no reason to define American national interest to include just about everything and anything. To be the power behind the vast majority of thrones and the granter of legitimacy to the vast majority of the world's governments - is a no win situation that aside from the immorality of it - this is simply against America's own national interest, There certainly is no good reason why we should have a military budget roughly equal to the rest of the world combined together. That is certainly contrary to America's own national interest.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:32 AM

15. We probably need some sort of military organization, but it should be about 1/4

the size of the organization we have.

And we need to have some sort of review of the entire officer's corps that is not of, by and for the military itself. We need a much more aggressive civilian review of the military. And by civilian, I mean people who have never served in the military, are not in the pay of the industries and companies that get government contracts of any kind and that is elected directly by popular vote by all Americans.

No president since Eisenhower has been able to "command" the military. It should not be necessary to have a general in the White House in order to insure civilian control of our military.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:35 AM

16. We need a citizen army. We do NOT need an IMPERIAL ARMY. We have an imperial army.

We should go back to the days where the United States relied upon conscripts or community militias, much like Switzerland of today. In a time of great war, the United States could draft a citizen army to fight the major campaigns and then demobilize once it ends. The Civil War is a good example.

Citizen armies are poor instruments in the pursuit of imperial ambitions. They are heterogeneous in political thought, and because citizens come from all walks of life, you are guaranteed against having an army that is dominated by one school of thought. Orders that are immoral will likely face internal opposition from some segments of the military.

To build an empire or expand your sphere of economic influence, you want a military force that is mostly if not entirely all-volunteer. You need a permanent standing army, and an all-volunteer military force fits the bill. Such an army can be crafted through training and reinforcement and social engineering to filter out political thought that may be seen as "counter-productive" towards the goals of projecting military force and imposing control or gaining influence on foreign soil.

You need an army that internalizes the statement that no order is an immoral order. It will be carried out no matter the conditions. It is an army built upon blind obedience to authority. This is the kind of army that Stalin and Hitler used on the battlefield.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:59 AM

17. Why, of course not.

We should disband all of the armed forces and intelligence agencies. We have no need for them because the rest of the world is filled with wonderful, nice people who would never think about harming a hair on an American's head or taking something from the country by force if they could.



We do need the armed forces. What we don't need is to devote the massive proportion of our budget to them that we do.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:05 AM

18. I think that's a no brainer.

The problem is how much tax dollars we waste supporting it and what we use the military for.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:17 AM

19. Yes, but they don't have to be the size they are now

We certainly don't need Army bases all over the world and we don't need to constantly be buying the latest and greatest killing technology when we have other things gathering dust. We spent less when it was the Department of War than we do now as the Department of Defense. It's nothing more than a high priced, inefficient, testosterone laden jobs program. If we're going to spend federal dollars employing people, we could get a lot more bang for our buck rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, reducing our kids class sizes, providing healthcare for all, etc.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:33 AM

20. We need a core

of professionals -- officers and NCO's, which can train an army quickly. We do not need a military that is ready to fight 2 1/2 major conflicts at any time.

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Response to Sgent (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:42 AM

22. Exactly....

Modern technology and our partnerships with the UN and nato has made the need for so many bases in conquered WWII countries unnecessary...germany, Okinawa, nearly all of South Korean bases(they have a modern military that could stall the North Koreans untill help arrives)....we don't need 2/3 of the forces we have overseas...all of these bases are Cold War relics....faster transport of troops and logistics made them obsolete, but the Military upper eschelons have a death grip on the remaining areas it seems. Another round of base closure hearings is overdue.

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Response to Sgent (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:43 PM

24. National policy

 

and force reductions no longer support two MCOs.

And given the diversity of military functions, there is no way to train a competent military quickly. Yes, we could decreases Active Duty numbers.

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:38 AM

23. Wow

I thought this was the Reality Based Community??? What planet are you from???

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Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:00 PM

25. Well I surely wouldn't want to outsource those core competencies to China

 

though it may be on the radar of the GOP since you can never tell what stupid idea they'll consider.

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