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Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:41 PM

The Planet Does Not Need More Successful People



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Reply The Planet Does Not Need More Successful People (Original post)
trailmonkee Dec 2012 OP
Bicoastal Dec 2012 #1
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #5
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #11
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #13
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #15
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #16
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #17
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #18
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #19
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #24
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #26
SheilaT Dec 2012 #20
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #22
SheilaT Dec 2012 #25
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #27
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #29
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #30
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #35
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #36
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #40
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #45
FarCenter Dec 2012 #38
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #44
Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #21
whopis01 Dec 2012 #51
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #2
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #3
Magoo48 Dec 2012 #7
treestar Dec 2012 #4
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #6
whistler162 Dec 2012 #58
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #59
BainsBane Dec 2012 #8
gtar100 Dec 2012 #9
defacto7 Dec 2012 #32
XtopherXtopher Dec 2012 #46
pbrower2a Dec 2012 #53
trailmonkee Dec 2012 #55
freshwest Dec 2012 #60
adieu Dec 2012 #10
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #14
defacto7 Dec 2012 #31
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #34
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #37
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #39
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #42
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #48
handmade34 Dec 2012 #12
parisordi Dec 2012 #23
Xipe Totec Dec 2012 #28
progressoid Dec 2012 #33
liberal N proud Dec 2012 #41
Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #43
Bicoastal Dec 2012 #47
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #49
Orrex Dec 2012 #50
TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #52
HCE SuiGeneris Dec 2012 #54
Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #56
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #57
MADem Dec 2012 #61

Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:46 PM

1. Arrrgh, can't I be both?

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Response to Bicoastal (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:49 PM

5. Depends on your definition of successful

I think he means monetarily successful. And yah, typically if you're that, you buy more stuff, and that spells trouble with a capital T and that rhymes with pool or something like that.


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Response to AldoLeopold (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:37 PM

11. So... you're saying we need marching bands?

 

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:41 PM

13. Trouble, oh we got trouble

Trouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in River City!
With a capital "T"
That rhymes with "P"
And that stands for Pool,
That stands for pool.
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in River City,
Right here!
Gotta figger out a way
To keep the young ones moral after school!
Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble...

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Response to AldoLeopold (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:45 PM

15. Well said!

 

I have to see that movie again.

When the paperwork clears in re my thesis, I intend to have a week-long movie marathon, stopping only for bathroom breaks, food, and the obligatory 5 hours of sleep.

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:49 PM

16. Planning to do that myself

Though not after a thesis (doctoral?), but after my last final - Physics. Not my best subject.

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Response to AldoLeopold (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:53 PM

17. Physics is a blast - literally, in some cases...

 

When this degree is done with... I'm getting a triple threat degree in engineering (my hobby).

My wife says having the actual ME/EE/CE degrees will make the local police a little less nervous.

The main problem for my marathon is picking out which Dr. Who seasons to add.

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:02 PM

18. My hat's off to engineers/physicists

I enjoy the integration of disciplines into Physics, but my instructor, while clearly learned and able, is having his hand forced by the department head with teaching utilizing a new method of in-class assignments with minimal lecture time. I'm a bit old school and need lectures to get me through - but in truth I'm definitely more of a life sciencer (which I know physics is the basis of )

My friends, family all say "you're so smart to be tackling all these difficult subjects," and I say "you clearly haven't met any engineers or physicists - they make me look like a blundering novice."

Which galls me to say, as my job post-graduation will be to clean up the numerous messes caused by engineers/physicists.

I'm going to indulge myself in some BBC Sherlock as well as the old BBC Adventures of Sherlock Holmes series. I can't get into the new Dr. Who, but the old series blow me away.

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Response to AldoLeopold (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:08 PM

19. Keep at it...

 

We need more new blood at all levels...

My goals are to build semi-Von-Neumann machines that "eat" pollutants. (That, and I want to make my city sustainable.)

The Sherlock series sounds good. What's the run time?

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:16 PM

24. About 9 hours

I believe - 2 series, 3 episodes each series at 1hr 30min each episode. A modern retelling but Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman as Watson are brilliant.

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Response to AldoLeopold (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:18 PM

26. The new series works perfectly

 

and they definitely rebuilt THE WOMAN into a modern version.

hmmm... maybe a two week marathon...

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:11 PM

20. I have a son who has returned to college

to get his physics degree.

What I like best about him (and I, as mom, think he's totally wonderful all around) is that every time I talk with him I learn something new. We have conversations about math, or astronomy, or other geeky topics and I just love it.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:14 PM

22. I'm thinking of getting that triple engineering, and then going for applied physics

 

A local university has a nano-fab lab...

(VBEG)

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:17 PM

25. Where are you? What university?

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:19 PM

27. I'm in CT...

 

Southern CT State U has the nano-fab lab.

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:21 PM

29. Bleck Nanotech

We have a new nanotech building on campus - the next stage of human pollution. Sorry - I'm an Environmental Health Science major and I feel sometimes like a member of the Night's Watch sitting on the wall and all the while being mocked as guarding against grumpkins and snarks. LOL!

I do have high hopes that it can be used though for clean-up and remediation.

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Response to AldoLeopold (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:23 PM

30. remediation and re-use of pollution is my goal...

 

As Bucky Fuller put it: "Pollution is a wasted resource..."

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:31 PM

35. No Doubt

As I recently learned for my HAZWOPER 40 hr cert CFR 40 classifies hazardous waste as that waste which cannot be reused or sold.

The trick, I find, is designating which waste is hazardous or not, and to what degree and agreeing as to the definition of hazardous.

Carbon nanotubes - utilized soon to lyse cancer cells, are discharged in urine after use and may prove a danger to the larvae of certain insects - namely some species of mosquito. They plug up the hole in some of these eggs and prevent the larvae from emerging through specific mechanisms or preventing the larvae even knowing (as it were) what the temperature is or when it is time to emerge. I wouldn't have known about it, but my program head is doing some research on it in conjunction with the Nanotech program.

Good for pest control, bad for the ecosystem. I've spoken informally with some of the researchers over there, though, and EPA and FDA are giving them what for trying to get these technology approved. I hope they do approve it, and find some way to extract the tubes in a responsible manner.

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Response to AldoLeopold (Reply #35)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:34 PM

36. At the very least... it gives us new puzzles!

 

My wife says I tend to look at all problems as problem-solution past-times.

I really need to find a TV to get engrossed in...

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #36)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:44 PM

40. You sound like Mr. Holmes!

"My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me the most abstruse cryptogram, or the most intricate analysis, and I am in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for mental exaltation."

Speaking of which, this physics review isn't going to review itself. Time to determine the number of 1000 MW nuclear power plants it would take to equal the power of the sun assuming the sun has a radius of 7*10^8 m and a temperature of 5800K and an e of 1.

Answer? 3.947 * 10^17

Now, if we could just build a spherical solar plant around the sun...although I'm sure the republicans would block it because it would cut into their West Virginia votes.

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Response to AldoLeopold (Reply #40)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:49 PM

45. Thank you for the compliment!

 

I've the attitude, the pipe, love of tea, and utter hatred of boredom and stupidity.

Go and study. We can talk later... comparing notes on the perfect marathon.

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:41 PM

38. Christian Friedrich Schönbein's wife was also nervous about his home experiments

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Friedrich_Sch%C3%B6nbein

One of them led to the discovery of nitrocellulose. This, in turn, led to the fields of high-explosives and plastics, without which modern civilization and modern warfare would be unthinkable.

He also invented the fuel cell and discovered ozone.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #38)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:47 PM

44. My wife is cool with my experiments...

 

As long as I maintain safety protocols (no plastique in the house, etc...)

The hard part is one of the people on our block (WAY up the hill) feels that my experimenting "sets the wrong tone for the community." My neighbors, on the other hand, say I sound like Macgyver with a hipper sound track.

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Response to AldoLeopold (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:11 PM

21. One of my favorite movies! Some of the best movie songs ever. nt

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Response to Bicoastal (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:39 PM

51. Sure - but there's no need to be a pirate over it! n/t

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:46 PM

2. K&R

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:46 PM

3. I guess the Dalai Lama is my model for what a human can and should be.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:58 PM

7. One of my heros as well.....

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:48 PM

4. Yes, we need to view success as other than

simply taking more and more out of the planet.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:58 PM

6. I believe he would tell you that society wouldnt have failures if it didnt have successes.

Seek the middle path.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:04 PM

58. I wil ltry to make a hobbit of it!

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Response to whistler162 (Reply #58)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:05 PM

59. Please explain. Is it a Harry Potter reference? nm

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:01 PM

8. Success can be defined in many ways

And does not necessarily depend on wealth or consumption of resources. The chief problem is that our society exalts wealth as the key sign of success.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:04 PM

9. We desperately need a redefinition of 'success'.

Excessive wealth is a big failure both personally and collectively. All systems thrive when there is continual circulation of resources. Accumulation of wealth in the hands of only small groups of people is a blockage of the resources our economy requires if it's going to be able to meet the needs of everyone. Those who might otherwise thrive as healers, peacemakers, storytellers and lovers typically end up focusing their lives on basic survival when the riches of life are held back by greedy and reckless people. And our lives are that much more poor for it.

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Response to gtar100 (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:27 PM

32. I hear you!

Thanks for that input. I agree.

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Response to gtar100 (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:55 PM

46. well said.

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Response to gtar100 (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:38 PM

53. Anyone who 'needs' material excess...

Anyone who 'needs' material excess as ratification of his value as a person is a failure. Even in business the ones who do real good are more focused on creating capital which allows others good incomes than on indulging upon its fruit.

We are going to have to do a better job of conserving natural resources just to avoid mass poverty.

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Response to gtar100 (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:06 AM

55. +1

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Response to gtar100 (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 03:12 PM

60. Very well said. You remind me of a quote from Obama's book:

Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential. ~ Barack Obama

I think there is STS and STO in most of what people spend their lives on. A combination of both is necessary at times, but the latter is considered to be a higher goal.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:08 PM

10. It would be easier to just

redefine "success" away from the number of digits on one's bank balances and towards the number of friends created or friendships sustained.

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Response to adieu (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:42 PM

14. A Facebook world then?

Meh, no tanks der sir.

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Response to AldoLeopold (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:24 PM

31. Facebook?

Facebook wasn't mentioned. It seems that Facebook is your definition of friends. Maybe you need to find the correct definition of friends, then you can make your comment based on reality not a business model... which is part of the point.

...unless of course your being sarcastic.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:30 PM

34. "correct" definition?

 

Who defines the term?

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:36 PM

37. Yep

Being sarcastic. I am not on Facebook - yuck. I think many people use it as a substitution. I just don't think, though, that the number of friends that you have measures your success on a planet of 7.2 billion people - it just measures your charisma score (18).

Perhaps I don't understand your definition of friends, though. Under the definition I understand, the local corrupt politician or snobby head cheerleader would be successful (nothing against cheerleaders). Those people typically have a large number of close friends and are not just "popular" as it were.

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Response to AldoLeopold (Reply #37)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:43 PM

39. I guess I too have a different definition of "successful," and "friends"

 

Successful - achieving the goals you've got for yourself

friends - those you cheerfully communicate with. Can be used to indicate a pen pal, or all the way up to "Okay Larry, you get the pool cues, and I'll get a bottle. Al is getting the car, to get us OUT of here."

I stopped being interested in cheerleaders, when I found out the cheer captain was into group scenes and bondage.

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #39)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:45 PM

42. What's her number????

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Response to AldoLeopold (Reply #42)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:23 PM

48. The last I heard, she had "a change of mind,"...

 

had "her consciousness expanded" and had something like 5 kids.

I think I'll stick to being a geek.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:38 PM

12. oh yes...

I read this at my husband's funeral... he had been a very wealthy man (and lost the money) before I met and married him... but he died a successful man.


SUCCESS (Ralph Waldo Emerson)

To laugh often and much
to win the respect of intelligent people
and affection of children; to earn the
appreciation of honest critics and
endure the betrayal of false friends;
to appreciate beauty, to find the best
in others; to leave the world a bit
better, whether by a healthy child
a garden patch or redeemed
social condition; to know even
one life has breathed easier because
you have lived. This is to have
succeeded.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:14 PM

23. great man

 

great man he is

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Response to parisordi (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:21 PM

28. Successful man nt

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:28 PM

33. Peacemakers, healers, restorers, storytellers, and lovers ARE successful.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:44 PM

41. Wouldn't being any of those things be successful?

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:46 PM

43. A google search attributes this to David Orr. What it the truth? Nt

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Response to Flabbergasted (Reply #43)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:04 PM

47. A QUOTE WAS MISATTRIBUTED ON THE INTERNET?!?

Color me shocked.

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Response to Bicoastal (Reply #47)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:25 PM

49. That such a thing could happen on the internet...

 

The bastion of intellectual and academic rigor...

I'm feeling an attack of the vapors!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:49 PM

50. The world needs more spectacularly wealthy spiritual leaders

Just saying.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:49 PM

52. I guess I don't accept the implied definition of success enough to agree.

I hope like hell the peacemakers are successful in their efforts.

That healers have more success than ever.

That everyone succeeds in finding love and better share that with the world. That love be expressed in the way they treat animals, each other, children, the elderly, the sick, the poor, their families, and that they be good steward of our world in their time.

I hope artists are successful in sharing their visions, inspiring, and touching hearts and minds.

I hope and pray for an outpouring of such real and lasting success on all humankind.

Success is not a number with a bunch of zeros behind it, a bunch of houses the size of a village, and how many "small people" you are exploiting.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:38 AM

54. 100 Rec's

Although, as pointed out in the first response, we can be multiple examples of all of the aforementioned.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:44 AM

56. The Dali Lama's actual words used quatation marks around 'successful people'

Without those marks, I just don't agree that success is money or that peacemakers, healers, storytellers are not successful.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:53 AM

57. K&R

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:17 PM

61. Peacemakers, healers, etc. are the most successful people...IMO. nt

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