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Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:48 PM

Dumb, dumb, dumb pot prank. Please be responsible and don't abuse the new laws.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/12/two-face-assault-charges-over-pot-brownies/

Two University of Colorado Boulder college students are facing multiple felony charges, including assault, this morning after allegedly giving marijuana-laced brownies to an unsuspecting professor and classmates during “bring food day” Friday, sending three of them to the hospital.

At about 10:20 Friday morning, police and paramedics responded to a campus building where a female professor was complaining of dizziness and was losing consciousness, according to a statement from the University of Colorado Boulder Police.

The professor was taken by ambulance to a hospital emergency room. Later Friday afternoon, a female student was taken to a hospital for an anxiety attack, while another went to a hospital after she said she felt like she was going to blackout.

In all, police said, eight people were affected. All the victims that went to the hospital have been released, police said.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:50 PM

1. I agree

not everyone can tolerate pot in food or smoked....A person should be aware of the contents of what they are eating. these people were not thinking right.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:50 PM

2. Morons.

They abound everywhere.

Many morons are college students, which is a weird thing, I think.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:50 PM

3. That was an astonishingly stupid thing to do.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:52 PM

4. That was stupid.

People who are drugged without their knowledge or consent can get really freaked out. Nothing more than anxiety and fear could occur with pot brownies, but it is incredibly stupid and insensitive. However, this has nothing to do with the new laws. These idiots were idiots before the new laws. This is no different than spiking the punch.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:11 PM

91. what it has to do with the new laws:

Events like this undermine the case for legalization, and the
new laws are still fragile.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #91)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:51 PM

99. This has happened before the "new laws"

Nothing changes the fact that people will be stupid and their are law to punish such stupidity. We need to combat this ridiculous frame

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:52 PM

5. Wow - NOT funny.

I hope they throw the book at them. We have enough of a struggle just trying to get MMJ legal in the rest of the country, and these irresponsible assholes pull a stunt like this?

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:57 PM

6. Yep...what Ruby said.

Took years to get the populace used to something and these pricks try to set the whole system back...GGGRRRR!

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:00 PM

9. How is it any different to spiking the punch?

Both are reprehensible, but I don't see why legalization is relevant or why it should be the fall guy. People have done this before pot was legal, too.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:03 PM

11. 30 years from now, you can gladly make that analogy.

If prohibition was ended in 2 states (as opposed to federally) in the 30s, and someone "spiked the punch" that sent 8 people to the hospital, we would be sneaking across the border to Canada for a beer today.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:09 PM

13. 3 people went to the hospital, but only because they were unfamiliar with the effects of THC.

There was no actual danger. I agree it was stupid. I think they should be charged. But, this discussion on the role legalization plays is ridiculous.

This will have no bearing on the future of legalization, nor should it.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:14 PM

19. Ah - I misread that.

8 people affected, not 8 people to the hospital.

Point remains though - we have a tough road to hoe in a lot of states and shit like this just sets everything back. MJ is classified a schedule 1 like heroin. Going from that to completely legal is happening very slowly (I have been a member of NORML since the 1970s) and these bumps in the road to change "minds and hearts" do not help.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:19 PM

24. No doubt, CO and WA will be under a microscope.

My point is, we can't change stupid. But, we can try to promote the proper framing. First off, this is not an abuse of the new laws. This was a felony already on the books, because people have been doing this type of thing before. We have laws to deal with it. I am sure we could dig up similar stories from states where pot is completely illegal.

Second, the two are being properly charged. Again, unrelated to legalization.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:16 PM

22. Yes, there was actual danger.

The professor said she felt dizzy. What if she happened to be in a car when she began to feel dizzy? What if the student who thought she was going to blackout had been driving?

What if a student with a preexisting anxiety disorder ate the brownies?

If there are enough incidents like this, or like the shootings that have already occurred in my state, the same voters that voted for marijuana could decide to repeal the law. Or the legislature could do it two years from now.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:21 PM

26. I don't know what shootings you are talking about.

And, your "what ifs" are irrelevant. No one passed out, no one was at risk of passing out. If anyone had been driving when they felt dizzy, I would hope they would pull over, just like they would anytime they felt dizzy.

You are the only one I have found anywhere promoting the frame that this is in anyway related to legalization. It is not.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #26)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:57 PM

57. Not irrelevant

What if the professor or any of the students were taking prescription medication for which the use of THC was contraindicated? There are thyroid and blood pressure medicines that are taken to slow down the heart rate.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:21 AM

139. Wrong. The professor blacked out, according to the University.

http://www.wafb.com/story/20301554/university-students-accused-of-feeding-pot-brownies-to-class-professor

Susan Kent, the chair of CU's history department, said the professor who was drugged repeatedly blacked out during class.

"One can only imagine had she been in the car, had she been with her children in the car, when the drugs started to take effect what could have been the outcome of this," Kent said. "It's just a terrible, irresponsible and reckless act."




http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/10/us-usa-colorado-marijuana-idUSBRE8B901620121210

According to Huff, police were summoned to a classroom building Friday morning on a report that a female professor was complaining of dizziness and was drifting in and out of consciousness. The instructor, who was not identified, was transported to a hospital.

Later Friday, the mother of a student in the class notified police that her daughter also was hospitalized after suffering "an anxiety attack."

The family of a third student also notified police that their daughter felt like she was going to black out after attending the class, and that they took her to a hospital.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #139)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:05 AM

146. She didn't black out. She wasn't driving. No one was hurt.

It was stupid and wrong, but you are exaggerating.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #146)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:30 AM

151. I don't understand how you can say that. The head of the history department said she "blacked out."

And that she could have been driving.

I'll post it again, since you missed it the first time:


http://www.wafb.com/story/20301554/university-students-accused-of-feeding-pot-brownies-to-class-professor

Susan Kent, the chair of CU's history department, said the professor who was drugged repeatedly blacked out during class.

"One can only imagine had she been in the car, had she been with her children in the car, when the drugs started to take effect what could have been the outcome of this," Kent said. "It's just a terrible, irresponsible and reckless act."




If you know anything about marijuana, then you understand that reactions don't happen on a strict time table, that they are highly individual, and this professor could have had a reaction AFTER she left her class, when she was in a vehicle. Just as the head of the department said.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:59 PM

58. I would concur

lets hope no more idiots stoop to this level...

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Response to morningfog (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:29 PM

32. there is an actual danger

they could get in a car wreck driving home for example.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:49 PM

43. Eating THC butter has a different and more intense effect than smoking it. I don't recomend it to..

anyone because an unsuspecting person will not function well. If you smoke to much then you become slow and dumb. Eat to much and the world starts spinning and nothing makes sense.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:18 PM

64. Any drug can be a danger to someone. You are giving a drug to someone

whose medical condition you don't know beans about. That person may have epilepsy, diagnosed depression (marijuana is a depressant), recovering from cancer, lupus, or any other medical conditions. Even spiking of punch can kill someone, under the right conditions.

Break up amphetamines and put 'em in punch or brownies? That could kill someone with a heart condition. Not much different that putting a depressant drug like marijuana or alcohol in a substance.

It's a physical assault to give someone a drug w/o his/her consent. You do not own someone else's body.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #64)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:58 PM

180. cannabis is not a depressant

in fact, it is used by some to combat depression.

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Response to shanti (Reply #180)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:38 PM

193. Yes, it is. "Depressant" doesn't mean it causes depression. It's a downer drug....

same as alcohol, although you wouldn't think so because of all the drunks with lampshades on their heads. But that's how they are classified.

A depressant, or central depressant, is a drug or endogenous compound that lowers or depresses arousal levels and reduces excitability. Depressants are also occasionally referred to as "downers" as they lower the level of arousal when taken. Stimulants or "uppers" increase mental and/or physical function are the functional opposites of depressants.

Depressants are widely used throughout the world as prescription medicines and as illicit substances. When these are used, effects often include anxiolysis, pain relief, sedation or somnolence, and cognitive/memory impairment, as well as in some instances euphoria, dissociation, muscle relaxation, lowered blood pressure or heart rate, respiratory depression, and anticonvulsant effects, and even complete anesthesia or death at high doses.

Depressants exert their effects through a number of different pharmacological mechanisms, the most prominent of which include facilitation of GABA or opioid activity, and inhibition of glutamatergic or catecholaminergic activity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depressant

The article goes on to list some types of depressants, including alcohol and cannabis.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #193)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:42 PM

196. Actually...

marijuana is a hallucinogen.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:29 PM

69. Yes there is an actual danger. Putting a substance in my body that I am

unfamiliar with does pose a danger.

Regardless of whether there was a danger or not what is EVEN WORSE is that is putting something in my body without my consent (no, I am not implying it is the same as rape at all) is wrong. It would be similar to someone asking for a low calorie item and feeding them an extra high calorie item - no actual danger but wrong as hell. Some people have done stuff like that to their spouse because they like a chubbier body for example.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:08 PM

86. because unknowingly ingesting it, would make them think they were suddenly sick -in the head

which would be pretty terrifying.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:33 PM

88. It's fodder for the Prohibition Trolls.

They're gonna do their best to scare the grannies with this kind of story, and if the grannies in question have no clue about the effects of pot, the scare will work, pushing that many more votes into the anti-legalization camp.

This was mind-numbingly stupid.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:10 PM

14. It would be just as wrong to spike punch and not tell people.

But many states are watching Colorado and Washington now, to see how the new laws work. If it appears that they're causing all kinds of problems, other states are less likely to follow suit. And these states could decide to repeal their own laws.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:11 PM

15. Thank you.

You explained it much better than I did.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:15 PM

20. I agree. And it would also be punishable by law.

This was not an abuse of the new law. It was a felony before Nov. 6 and still is. Why try to promote that framing?

This type of felony has been going on since before legalization. Legalization is not to blame. These idiots are. They are now being charged with felonies, not an abuse of the "new laws."

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Response to morningfog (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:18 PM

23. No one is blaming legalization

We are trying to say that it THREATENS legalization efforts elsewhere.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:19 PM

25. YES.

Legalization didn't cause this. (Although I bet this stupid kid did it as a form of celebrating the new law.) But it would be threatened if too many incidents like this (or worse) start to occur.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:23 PM

28. Not if we are vigilant in knocking down this frame every time it is presented.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:06 PM

110. You can not be present in everyone's living room

It is not possible to "knock down this frame every time it is presented".

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #110)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:57 PM

116. I am taking the opportunity here, which is the only place

I have even seen it presented.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #116)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:58 PM

118. Patience. It will be used. Whether or not it's successfu is not something we can tell right now.nt

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #118)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:02 AM

119. It won't be. CO and WA aren't going to be repealing legalization.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #119)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:18 AM

122. And nobody thought the 18th amendment could be ratified in 5 years. They did it in 2.

Don't be so confident when moralists are involved. They are surprisingly effective.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #122)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:21 AM

124. How's that 18th Amendment working out now?

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Response to morningfog (Reply #124)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:27 AM

126. And that's supposed to provide comfort how?

Alcohol was extremely common and extremely popular before the 18th amendment. And they still got it banned.

Pot is not common and not popular among the general population. It's legal status is changing, but incidents like this will be used as evidence of the demonic nature of pot among those who wish to keep the ban. Just like it was used to originally ban pot.

How's that working out now? Why, pot is still banned to protect us from reefer madness. (Feds trump states).

You can keep your head in the sand, or you could learn from history. I recommend the latter so you aren't doomed to repeat it.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #119)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:31 AM

140. The Federal government could decide to pressure the state to enforce the law.

We don't need that, thank you.

And it would be easy enough for Tim Eyman to put forth yet another of his referendums seeking to overturn this in two years, if there are too many stories like this one.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #140)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:04 AM

145. This has nothing to do with legalization. Do you support legalization?

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:22 PM

27. I don't buy it. But, even if it were, how they hell are you going to stop idiots from being idiots?

We need to own the frame that these were crimes wholly unrelated to the new law. Because, they were.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:52 PM

44. You can't stop idiots from being idiots

But you can take away their dangerous toys. Which us what will happen. Just like fireworks are illegal most places. And guns in many countries (and but for the second ammendment likely would be here). That's how people and society reacts, Just as you can't stop idiots from being idiots, you cant stop negative backlash either. No matter how awesome your oh so smart framing.

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Response to ToxMarz (Reply #44)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:33 PM

49. This has nothing to do with legalization.

This same crime has been repeated in many states without legalization.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #49)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:57 PM

56. Yes, it has "nothing" to do with legalization. ... but, it will be used as a tool against

legalization.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #56)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:55 PM

75. Only by those who advance that argument. I am saying we should fight that.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #75)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:02 PM

82. Agree!!! n/t

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Response to morningfog (Reply #49)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:14 PM

98. At this point anything can have something to do with legalization.

Your stance seems to be the path to legalization is to pursue rationality. Yes it is irrational to criminalize marijuana because of these idiots actions. But it has always been irrational to criminalize it. The recent legalization has not occurred by reasoning with authorities, it has been through popular vote (which can be notoriously irrational). As long as that is the only apparent path to complete legalization, these type anecdotes can be used effectively to influence popular opinion against it. You can win the argument and still lose the war.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:20 PM

65. If it were illegal, would they have had the pot to begin with? Same argument as for guns?

If they didn't have a gun, they couldn't have used it illegally.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #65)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:55 PM

74. It has happened, many times in places where it is illegal.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #74)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:53 PM

90. And so it is with guns, whether legal or illegal. So the use of guns is not connected with thecrimes

As you say.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #65)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:26 AM

125. It was illegal. The amendment has not been signed yet.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:54 PM

55. Yep, it provides ammunition against pot, they will use it as a tool to say, see what happened in CO.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:14 PM

62. Any time I've had "spiked" punch, it has been

glaring obvious that there's alcohol in it. You can smell it, first off, and you can immediately taste it. I do agree, that if the punch is spiked, the drinkers should be aware of that ahead of time.

I've never had marijuana brownies, although I bake brownies (from scratch) myself. I would think that the marijuana would significantly alter the appearance and texture in a way that would be noticeable.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #62)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:21 PM

67. It doesn't. I don't think the average person would know a pot brownie from

a regular one just by looking or tasting.

I bake and eat them all the time. i make sure to keep them individually wrapped in the freezer and labeled so nobody can find them and be caught unaware.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #62)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:56 PM

76. YOu can smell and taste pot in brownies too.

Usually. I don't see a difference between the two at all, except spiking the punch is probably worse, due to medical conditions.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #76)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:14 PM

87. if you wash the butter, or if you don't know what pot tastes like u don't. blaming the victims?

That's messed up.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #87)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:24 PM

93. Blaming the victims is messed up.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #87)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:15 PM

105. Calm down. That isn't what I said.

This was a horrible thing to do. I blame only the idiots who drugged people. They are charged with felonies, as they should be.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #105)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:05 AM

120. you said the victims should have known. creepy! and I'm hella calm, but gee thanks for the concern!

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #120)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:09 AM

121. Creepy?

You are trying too hard. I said you can usually smell and taste the pot in the brownies. I said nothing about what they should have known, nor did I blame anyone other than the morons who drugged their professor and classmates.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #121)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:32 AM

128. your statement was pretty emphatic, and I guess you are now saying.... pointless?

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #128)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:35 AM

129. Whatever.

Re-read the discussion, or don't. I never blamed the victim. Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. You can play your game with someone else.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #76)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:09 PM

103. The average person is likely not familiar with the smell and taste of pot.

Spiking the punch would not have been appropriate in this setting either. I'm not sure that they should face felony charges for this, though.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #76)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:39 AM

164. not necessarily.

people making edibles now typically use more efficient extract methods than the old boil it with butter method, which leaves a green chlorophyll taste in the butter. now the preferred method is to extract the THC using butane or CO2, making hash which is a much purer product that does not have a telltale taste, that is then mixed with the food.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #62)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:27 PM

94. you would have no idea it's a pot brownie, the THC is dissolved in butter... second,

the high you get from eating pot is, in my experience, far more intense, and it doesn't hit you right away like it does if you smoked.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:45 PM

37. Don't trust any "pot luck", there's way too many closet sickos to take the chance.

 

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:57 PM

7. Dudes! Not cool. I wouldn't underestimate the effects either. They were probably telling

the truth. Eating the stuff can be quite wicked. Those idiots probably really loaded those brownies up too.

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Response to brewens (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:12 PM

16. I don't think they realized what happened to them till after

eight people from the same class ended up going to the hospital over the next few hours, and their blood got analyzed.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:15 PM

21. Only three went to the hospital.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:48 PM

41. I wonder if those 3 who went to hospital ate multiple brownies? The article isn't clear.

I also wonder why pnwmom keeps repeating that 8 went to hospital? The article is quite clear in that regard.

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #41)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:43 AM

175. Could you please show me where I said it more than once? I corrected it where I was aware of it.

But three hospitalizations out of nine means one third of them went to the hospital, which is an unacceptably high ratio in my book.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:00 PM

79. The others just felt kinda groovy.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:34 AM

141. "Only" three went to the hospital = 1/3 of those who consumed the brownies.

Each probably had thousands of dollars in emergency room bills.

"Only."


"shrug:

(And all but 1 say they were sickened by them.)

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:20 PM

66. Repetition does not create truth from fiction. Three people to hospital, not 8.

When people persist in padding and expanding on the facts, this indicates agenda of the furtive sort. It most certainly is not honest and several posters have corrected you.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #66)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:49 AM

155. The first article I read said 8, but I corrected it to 3 when later articles said 3.

However, that means fully a third of those who ate the brownies were hospitalized -- which is a terrible result.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:58 PM

8. This is why we can't have nice things like other people have.

OTOH, maybe they were rich conservative assholes.

In any event, now they'll forever disallow unpackaged food.

As has happened elsewhere after such pranks.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:02 PM

10. What they did is stupid, irresponsible and dangerous.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:05 PM

12. sounds like bullshit to me

sounds ginned up to me

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Response to Kali (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:13 PM

18. You think the professor was lying? The students? The hospital? nt

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:48 PM

73. The framing is way ginned up in your presentation here. Consider how the new law

would treat this particular set of events in reality. Of the two students involved one is under age for possession under the new law. That means she broke the new law by having any marijuana at all. In addition her partner in crime committed the big crime, providing a controlled substance to a person under age, in addition to the 'it's always been a felony' act of feeding people spiked foods.
So under the new law, prosecution of this particular event would be provided with extra legal sauce, not less.
So ginning this up as if it had to do with the new law (you keep insisting that it was a celebration of it, but that is not in the article, you are ginning that up) is just daft. The marijuana used was not purchased legally, nor used legally. Not under the old laws, not under the new. Pretending that your assumptions are facts, or the repeated 'shootings in my area' claim without link or fact all counts as hyping or ginnng up the story beyond what it actually is.
You keep sayinig 8 went to hospital, you keep saying this was a celebration of the new law, you keep suggesting the new law makes this sort of thing more legal, when in fact it makes this more illegal, more specifically prosecutable.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #73)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:47 AM

153. You are putting words in my mouth. I said 3 went to the hospital and I never suggested that "the new

made this sort of thing more legal."

I said that if there is a surge in this kind of stupid activity, then the new laws will be endangered.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:12 PM

17. The smell of marijuana being smoked triggers a migraine for me

as does cigarette smoke. If someone put pot in chocolate brownies I'd probably have one (being a chocolate lover) and probably get a severe headache and nausea with no idea why. So I wouldn't think it was too funny.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:11 PM

60. The simple rules...

Don't blow your smoke in my face, don't spike my drinks/food with foreign substances. I guess the young men behind this prank never were told no when they were young.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:24 PM

29. Possible Cannabis Movement trolls. nt

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Response to patrice (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:25 PM

30. You mean the OP who is trying to frame this as "an abuse of the new laws?"

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Response to morningfog (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:42 PM

36. ^This^

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Response to morningfog (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:14 PM

63. So how about this?

There are now 8 more people who would likely vote to repeal legalization.

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Response to randome (Reply #63)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:57 PM

77. No, that isn't even right.

Good try, though. And, even if so, it won't happen.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:03 PM

83. You don't think it possible that there is a struggle within that movement between

the existing cannabis delivery mechanism and the emerging legal delivery mechanism?

Who would benefit the most from making a public display of those "evil pot heads" and how "ir-responsible" they are?

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:26 PM

31. If You Slip Almost ANY Substance Into Someone's Food Or Drink, Without Their Knowledge...

You Are POISONING THEM.

I don't care if it's pot, LSD, date rape drugs, Tabasco, cayenne, salt, or hemlock.

It does not matter if YOU think it's harmless or not.

You are essentially POISONING THEM.

NOT ACCEPTABLE.

AND... in this instance.

You destroy the credibility of the movement you are trying to nurture to fruition.




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Response to WillyT (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:36 PM

33. +1 also they could have been arrested for driving while impaired. For some that would mean loss of

employment.

Really stupid, just glad it wasn't legal when I was their age because that would have been the type of thing I might have done.

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Response to WillyT (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:41 PM

35. Great points about..

"I don't care if it's pot, LSD, date rape drugs, Tabasco, cayenne, salt, or hemlock."

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Response to WillyT (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:46 PM

53. Totally agree.

As a type 1 diabetic this totally creeps me out. Anything in my system that makes me not totally aware is a huge risk. If I am not paying attention, my blood sugars could get dangerously low or high and also I could mistakenly inject myself with too much insulin. It is pretty much why I hardly ever drink or smoke pot or do any kind of drug. I only drink around my family or friends that know I am a diabetic as alcohol lowers your blood sugar. These idiots had no idea if anyone in their class had underlying issues like this. And I am for legalizing marijuana. I just don't think it is cool to play with people's health without them knowing.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:39 PM

34. That is so not cool.

Smoke it or eat brownies if you want.. but, before you sneak it into someone else's system.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:45 PM

38. beyond dumb.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:47 PM

39. Amen, very dumb!

College students sometimes!

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:48 PM

40. Disgusting behaviour. But hardly new; or specific to the time or place

I was told of an almost identical prank played by a few bright young things at Oxford University, UK in the early 80s - except that only one professor was targeted, because allegedly he committed the cardinal sin in the eyes of the more arrogant students of the Thatcher era in being 'boring'. They apparently thought it very funny to see him staggering around afterwards. I remember, even as a student, thinking that this prank was shocking - for example, what if he'd driven his car without knowing that he was impaired, and had got into a serious accident?

I heard the story second-hand, so I may not know the full story; but so far as I know, there were no really serious consequences, and the students got away with it.

Needless to say, pot was not legal in 1980s Britain. So I don't think the story says anything about legalization. It says something about some individuals, specifically some college students, being stupid and selfish.

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Response to LeftishBrit (Reply #40)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:25 PM

48. The student may or may not have done it to celebrate the new law.

Doesn't matter.

If enough of these incidents get a lot of publicity -- or the kinds of marijuana-related shootings that have hit the news in my area -- it could make other states think twice about legalizing. Or our own legislature could repeal the law in two years.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #48)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:29 PM

70. About 11,000 Americans die each year due to drunk drivers. 11,000 die and yet

I don't see you pointing that hideous fact out, oh no. Just under a thousand deaths a month so swill happy lushes can booze it up, and booze it up they do. No amount of death is too high, drinkers insist that it is worth the bloodshed for them to have 'happy hour'. They call it happy hour, although those who have seen skid row know happy has nothing to do with it.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #70)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:53 PM

101. Who knows what would have happened if we had had the mass media

we have now when the Prohibition ended? Alcohol is too engrained in the larger culture now to prohibit it, again. But marijuana is not.

So far the Federal government has been willing to look away from the new WA and CO laws. But if too many incidents like this get too much attention, the Feds might decide to step in. Or the legislature could overturn the law in two years.

And meanwhile, other states are likely to decide not to follow down this path.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #101)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:36 PM

108. You are big on the marijuana boogey bandwagon.

Reefer madness in this thread.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #108)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:23 PM

113. I think reefer madness is being thoughtless enough to feed marijuana

to people without their knowledge or consent.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #113)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:58 PM

117. We agree it was thoughtless and stupid.

I don't think it has anything to do with legalization.

How do you feel about legalization of marijuana?

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Response to morningfog (Reply #117)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:16 AM

136. I was a "yes" vote in here in Washington.

And I think that too many reports like this threaten this new law. For one thing, the Feds are looking over our shoulders now, watching to see how things go. They could decide to come down hard at any point.

For another, it would be simple for the legislature to overturn the law in two years, if public opinion turned.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #136)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:13 AM

148. But, you do realize that legalization has not gone into effect in CO yet, right?

This stupid act has absolutely nothing to do with the new law. here are laws addressing this kind of stupidity.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #148)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:27 AM

149. Neither of us know whether this stupid act had anything to do with celebrating the new law.

But if there is a surge in people doing such stupid, reckless things, that will endanger the new law.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #149)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:28 AM

150. You are the only one interjecting such an idea. The new law isn't even here yet.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #150)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:35 AM

152. Dozens of people right here agree with me. As far as I can tell, you are one of very few

who don't.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #152)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:49 AM

154. Do you realize the new law, legalization, has not even gone into effect yet?

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Response to morningfog (Reply #154)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:52 AM

157. So? The point remains that people in these states should avoid doing stupid things

like this if they don't want to see the laws overturned in a couple years.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #157)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:59 AM

159. Thank you for finally acknowledging that this was unrelated to the new law

which has yet to take effect.

You will never get people to avoid doing stupid things. That is why we have laws such as the ones they have been charged with violating.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #159)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:38 AM

173. I disagree. I think education can have an effect on people and help them avoid

doing dangerous and stupid things.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #149)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:22 AM

168. Logic problem: This action wasn't legal under the new law or the old law.

Don't let that stop you advocacy for the Drug War, though.

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Response to Romulox (Reply #168)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:27 PM

188. Thank you. This thread is absurd.

The conflation of something that has long been illegal, and still is illegal with a law that has yet to even go into effect is ridiculous and does the work of the war on drugs for that side.

Then, we have others joining claiming pot can kill, easily. Amazing.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #48)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:08 PM

100. Apparently Even People on DU are Not Grasping This

Anyone in favor of legalization should be steaming over this. One tragic, well-publicized incident is all it would take to swing public opinion.

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Response to On the Road (Reply #100)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:34 PM

107. Incidents like this have been happening for decades and are not a product of

legalization. And, so far, all of the comments I've read on the story here or on other sites, this OP is the first and only trying to use it to discredit legalization.

I am pissed at the idiocy of these two students, but no more so than all the other times stupid stunts like that have been pulled. They are being charged with the appropriate felonies. There are laws in place to confront this behavior.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #107)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:12 PM

111. Except incidents like this did not get much coverage

But the new laws mean this incident will get much more coverage. Which means it could do much more damage.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #48)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:32 PM

106. You invented that motivation whole cloth.

I know you hate marijuana, but your attempt to frame this as a violation of the new law is ridiculous and there will be no repeal.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #106)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:14 AM

134. ?? Why do you keep responding to pnwmom as though she is against legalization or hates pot?

She has said nothing against pot or against the new laws. Her comments are all about the danger that these fragile new laws might be derailed by such incredibly stupid behavior as feeding pot to people who don't know about it.

She has said nothing to indicate that she hopes the laws will be repealed. All her comments are about being afraid that nervous nellies will get spooked by these incidents into thinking that pot is scary dangerous and about being afraid that smarmy anti-pot bigots will use public fear caused by these incidents as a wedge to get these laws repealed and to prevent other legalization succcesses.

She might be over-reacting to be so afraid of such a consequence--but considering how irrational Americans can be and how easily they can be stampeded by unscrupulous scare-mongers, I think her fear that these incidents might set the cause back is not at all unreasonable.

Certainly her fear, which is clearly the reaction of someone who is in favor of the legalization of pot, does not justify your accusations that she "hates" marijuana and is against its legalization. Everything she has said indicates the exact opposite stance!

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #134)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:40 AM

142. You understood me correctly.

I support the new laws. I think it's way past time we stopped filling our jails and prisons with people who've done nothing more than possess pot.

I'm surprised this poster seems so determined to minimize the danger of what these college students did. No reasonable person supports the abuse of pot -- and it is abuse to feed it to unsuspecting people.

Someone here compared it to roofies, and I think that's a reasonable comparison.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #142)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:50 AM

156. I'm not minimizing the danger. It was stupid, and they should be charged.

I am contesting your framing and your attempt to connect this crime with legalization.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #134)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:10 AM

147. New laws are in effect yet. She is inventing this strange celebration as motivation.

There is nothing clear about why she is "overreacting." I have no idea if she actually supports legalization.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #134)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:23 AM

169. Because this a classic case of "concern". THAT'S why. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:48 PM

42. Dipwads. Hopefully they will learn something in school - besides this.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #42)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:21 PM

68. One thing's for sure. They're gonna learn a few things in jail. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:55 PM

45. This is why we can't have nice things.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:58 PM

46. Right before final exams, real sharp kids

Automatic F for the course!

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #46)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:03 PM

47. No worries, I'm quite sure they'll be totally kicked out of school

and the "F" won't matter a bit. Makes me wish they could get drafted.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:34 PM

50. This could have happened with or without the law.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #50)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:29 AM

127. It happened without the law. Legalization hasn't been signed into law yet in CO.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:35 PM

51. Great way to further the cause, idiots.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:45 PM

52. This has happened before at my old High School in 2006

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:48 PM

54. This is sooo damn stupid and plays right into the critics hands. Damn fools!!! NOT funny at all. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:09 PM

59. These students are not as mature as the ones I went to school with in the 70s. They are hurting

their own cause.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #59)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:13 PM

61. Students?

My mom and her boyfriend fed me pot brownies in the early 70s; I was 12.

Edited to add:

No harm came to me.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #61)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:41 PM

72. Yes, but they were not being watched by the whole country to see how legalization was going to

work. Also that was not a regular practice back then but I do know that children were exposed to it from time to time. I was talking about political insight.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #72)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:58 PM

78. My mom's

political insight went in other directions. I don't think she thought of pot as a political issue.

When she was thinking politics, she took me to women's centers, to marches, and to hear Angela Davis speak...all before I was a teenager.

Feeding pot to people unknowingly as a prank is just stupid. Especially if you want to keep it legal.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:36 PM

71. That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a while.

Thanks a lot kid. Ruin it for all of us because your too stupid to know what you are doing. Now, watch RWers push this to the hilt to make their point. If they don't crush the laws, then regulators and pharmaceutical companies will have their day.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:00 PM

80. When I did loaded spaghetti for a dinner party

I knew all the guests well enough to know they all smoked it and liked it.

Serving it to random strangers is a terrible thing to do, though, since not everyone reacts favorably to cannabis. Some people get paranoid, some get tachycardic, and some have full blown panic attacks on it. Not good.

I followed two rules: I knew everybody would react favorably and I told them the sauce was loaded and a good time was had by all.

People you don't know can have an incredibly bad time. The ones who went to the hospital were likely terrified.

Pot isn't a panacea and it isn't harmless to everybody.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #80)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:49 PM

114. We used to dose each other with LSD every once in a while.

We all new the effects and reactions of our friends.

It was more like "surprise, look what I got us" than anything. We got one of our friends and then had a surprise birthday party for him. Ah memories.

I would never do anything like that to a "civilian."

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:01 PM

81. As a recovering alcoholic such a crime would create for me an unacceptable risk . . .

When I quit drinking and drugging I gave up all avenues of chemical escape. Unlike these people, I may have realized what was happening and kept myself from needing medical care. But a door I shut years ago would have been reopened, and I'd have no idea where it was going to lead. And having seen too many people over the years pass through those doors again and reenter a realm worse than death, I'd have been incredibly incensed at the two morons who placed me at such risk.

I hope the authorities pursue this prosecution, but I hope the judgment is geared more to education than punishment. These were foolish people engaged in a stupid act. If they didn't expect to cause harm then I see no reason to harm them. However, some serious counseling and time spent in community service might do a good deal of benefit to them both.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:04 PM

84. If someone pulled some shit like that with me

felony charges would be the least of their worries.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:05 PM

85. When I eat pot-laced food, the effect is strong and lasts much longer than when I've smoked it.

It also has a delayed effect for me ... but the high is far more intense than smoking.

Stupid move by these guys.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #85)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:28 PM

95. +1

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:42 PM

89. I would being looking to press charges.

I love brownies. I've never tried pot. I don't know what it looks like and I'm not sure I could tell if it were in my food. If I were at a potluck, I would have no issue eating several brownies if I saw no one else was going to. I'm on thyroid meds and other meds have caused pretty severe panic attacks for me. How stupid do you have to be to think this would be some sort of funny prank? I'm glad no one was seriously injured--but I feel for the person who experienced an anxiety attack.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:17 PM

92. Two killed at alleged Washington pot house on first day of legal weed

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:39 PM

96. Absoluting disgusting.

 

This is no more acceptable than spiking an unsuspecting person's drink with rohypnol, xanax, or some other potent Benzo and didn't laughing about the ensuing "hijinks". Even if the person doesn't end up raped or seriously injured, it's no laughing matter. The unknowing consumption of a psychotropic drug is one of the scariest and most dangerous things in the world, even if said drug is relatively benign in the proper set and setting.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:44 PM

97. Ah... the value of today's college education.

I hope they fucking go to jail. And I'm a pot smoker.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:00 PM

102. *facepalm*

or *head desk* - whatever happens first.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:14 PM

104. Felony charges?

I think their actions were incredibly stupid and irresponsible...but felony charges?

I hope they get the charges reduced in plea bargaining.

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Response to mokawanis (Reply #104)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:17 PM

112. Well, they could have quite easily killed someone

There's lots of drugs that don't interact well with THC. They had no way of knowing if any of the other people were on them.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #112)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:36 AM

131. IT was stupid and an assualt.

What interactions would easily have killed someone?

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Response to morningfog (Reply #131)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:06 AM

132. Some thyroid and heart medications, mostly. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #132)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:02 AM

144. Link? I've never heard that pot can cause death easily when mixed with anything.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #144)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:56 AM

158. And you've probably never heard that, in susceptible people, it's been linked with arrhythmias.

Why do you keep minimizing the risks that these people were exposed to when the idiots dosed them with marijuana without telling them?


http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/570583_4


A growing body of evidence indicates that marijuana may acutely affect the circulatory system triggering cardiovascular events. Given that these undesirable reactions often have serious consequences, the need for a systematic recording and analysis of such cases is imperative. Most published reports have been focused on incidents of acute coronary syndromes, acute cerebrovascular and peripheral vascular events, and more rarely ischaemia-induced ventricular arrhythmias. Although some recent case reports indicate an association between marijuana smoking and atrial fibrillation (AF), the actual significance of this phenomenon remains unknown. AF, even in its paroxysmal form, is no longer considered a 'benign' arrhythmia as it is independently associated with excessive cardiovascular morbidity and mortality. It is therefore reasonable to speculate that marijuana may be an important cause of AF in apparently healthy individuals who habitually or occasionally use this illicit drug. The aim of the present article is to provide a systematic review of all reported cases implicating marijuana smoking in the development of AF, as well as to concisely discuss the potential underlying mechanisms and clinical implications of this emerging association.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #158)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:02 AM

160. Not minimizing. Just looking for accuracy. I have never heard of death from interaction.

If you have a link that support such claim, I would be interested in reading it.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #160)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:40 AM

174. I just showed you about life-threatening arrhythmias. Obviously, if someone was taking

another medication that could also increase the risk of arrhythmias, then the two substances together would be a very poor idea.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #174)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:07 PM

185. Be afraid of the reefer, it can kill you!

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Response to morningfog (Reply #144)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:21 AM

162. Not hard to find....

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #162)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:33 AM

163. If you can't produce a link to show an interaction that causes death, just say so.

I can't find any.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #163)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:50 AM

165. 430,000 results wasn't good enough for you?

Since you can't seem to be bothered to actually do your own research:

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/health/health_article1.pdf

A sedative medication may display added sedative
effects when used in combination with cannabis.
Similarly, cannabis use may augment the adverse effects
of drugs with a similar side effect profile

Translation: Pot + Sleeping pills can kill you.

Pharmacokinetic interactions may also occur.
Cannabinoids are highly protein bound, raising the
potential for interactions with other highly protein
bound drugs such as warfarin

Translation: It can make your blood thinners not work, thus causing a fatal blood clot.

Cannabinoids are also metabolised by a range of
enzymes, including CYP2C9 and CYP3A4. Any form
of smoking can induce CYP1A2. This effect may be
enhanced when cannabis is smoked with tobacco.
CYP1A2 substrates include clozapine, olanzapine,
theophylline, some tricyclic antidepressants and
mirtazapine. Cannabinoids may also influence CYP3A4
– although existing reports suggest both inhibition and
induction. Ceasing cannabis use may also lead to altered
serum concentrations of existing therapy.

Translation: It fucks up the metabolism of a bunch of other drugs, altering their effects. But I'm sure messing with someone's anti-schizophrenia medication can't possibly have ill effects.

Case reports suggest that concurrent use of
cannabis with TCAs or anticholingergic drugs can
produce significant tachycardia.

Translation: THC + TCAs = heart attack.

One study reports that cannabis use was associated
with reduced area under the curves and serum
concentrations for both indinavir and nelfinavir
(10-17%), although some participants exhibited an
increase in drug serum concentrations, making it difficult
to determine the clinical significance of these results.
Nonetheless, patients receiving treatment with protease
inhibitors who also use cannabis should receive regular
monitoring of viral indicators to confirm effectiveness of
antiviral treatment.

But HIV is never fatal, right?

These are from ONE of those links you didn't bother to read.

If you're actually asking for incidents where THC caused a fatal drug interaction, you should know that posting such information to the Internet violates federal law. You'd be posting someone's health records. Studies aren't going to list specific incidents because of that.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #165)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:04 AM

166. 430,000 results and not one saying there is a drug with which intraction easily causes a death.

There are none. I don't deny there are interactions, but none that "easily cause death." More reefer madness.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #166)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:52 AM

176. Why are the only interactions that matter ones that "easily cause death"?

And why are you so determined to minimize the reactions of the women who were tricked into eating the pot brownies?

One of the hospitalized women had blackouts, another said she felt close to a blackout, and another had a panic attack. None of these would have felt like minor reactions to the women involved.

For your info, here is a link to a list with many medicines that can interact to cause a rapid heartbeat (which possibly can lead to more serious consequences); marijuana is listed several times.

http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/symptoms/rapid_heart_beat/drug-interactions.htm

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #176)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:26 PM

179. Follow the discussion.

Those are all valid and cause for concern. This sub thread, and my issue, is about the false claim that marijuana can easily kill someone. It is patently untrue.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #179)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:39 PM

183. Why? You can't. (nt)

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Response to morningfog (Reply #166)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:39 PM

182. Apparently you can't read. Because that list includes a lot of things that easily cause death.

Either that, or you somehow think tachycardia is no big deal.

Stuffing your head in the sand doesn't cause drugs to work the way you want.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #182)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:06 PM

184. Reefer Madness!!!

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Response to morningfog (Reply #184)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:09 PM

186. Non sequiturs aren't a terribly good argument.

Fact is THC interacts with a lot of other drugs, causing potentially fatal problems.

You are standing here plugging your ears and shouting "NUH UH!!!!".

No matter how big a tantrum you throw, reality won't change.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #186)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:23 PM

187. I'd like to have a moment of silence for all of those who have died due

the interactions of marijuana and other drugs.

Please join me in silence.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #131)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:20 AM

138. The University pointed out that the faculty member blacked out in her classroom.

If that had occurred later, while she was driving home, she could have died in a car accident -- or killed someone else.

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Response to mokawanis (Reply #104)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:50 PM

115. It's assault with a friendly weapon.

Seriously though, I think it was incredibly stupid.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:03 PM

109. Bet these kids are wealthy

who else would just give away pot brownies like this?

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:20 AM

123. The "new law" has not even gone into effect in CO.

The election results have been certified, but the governor has not yet signed Amendment 64, he has until Jan. 5 at the latest.

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20121206/NEWS01/312060031/Colorado-marijuana-legalization-initiative-Amendment-64-certified?odyssey=nav|head

As I have repeatedly said, the legalization of marijuana has nothing to do with the crimes charged. There was no abuse of the "new laws." There was a violation of the same laws under the same standards.

Support full legalization! Don't fall for the reefer madness!

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:36 AM

130. To the jerks:

We are just getting this going. Stop messing it up! It just give the goodies a reason to say they were right! We Want to show them they are wrong!!!

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:27 AM

133. 1981

That was the year some kid one of the popular kids, but not a jock. Brought pot brownies to school, sophomore year of high school. The difference was most if not all the kids knew about it. I assume that because I knew and it wasn't like I was in that social circle. The teacher appeared to not know though, but she claimed she was dieting and didn't have any of the brownies. She should have known something was up though when the kid that brought the brownies dropped his on the floor and picked it up and ate it. I didn't have a brownie but had I not known I would have and they didn't smell different to me at all.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #133)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:14 AM

135. We always brought pot-laced cookies and brownies to school.

Because it's easy to eat without anyone ever knowing. We'd munch on that, get absolutely ripped early in the morning and breeze on through the rest of the day.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 04:58 AM

137. Terrible prank

Its crazy, but when people dont know they are eating laced shit, it takes a bad turn..like getting roofied..shame

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:58 AM

143. Dosing someone with any mind altering substance could cause serious harm.

What if one of the unsuspecting victims was driving when the effects of the herb began to come on?

They could have freaked out and had an accident, causing serious injury or death to themselves and/or others.

What a terribly thoughtless and ignorant thing to do.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:02 AM

161. What an awful, awful thing to do to people

There is nothing funny about this in the slightest and I hope they get the book thrown at them. Drugging people without their consent is a horrible thing to do.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:19 AM

167. Assholes. No words for how wrong this is.

If they took dispensary brownies . . . They are very potent. I can only eat about 1/4 of one & I'm completely laid back. Any more & I'd probably just fall asleep. I only eat them when I'm at home.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:24 AM

170. Logic problem: This action wasn't legal under the new law or the old law. nt

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Response to Romulox (Reply #170)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:37 AM

172. So? This is a reminder of the stupid things people can do

and that they should avoid doing, especially in WA and CO now that there's going to be a strong focus on how well legalization is working out.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #172)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:27 PM

181. So your mention of the law is a complete non sequitur. But thanks for your concern. nt

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Response to Romulox (Reply #181)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 04:14 PM

191. No, it's not. The media in WA and CO (do you live in one of those states) has ALREADY started

to focus on how the laws are working out, so that's how viewers will perceive any marijuana related crimes, whether or not the law has already gone into effect (which it has, in Washington.)

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #191)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 09:29 PM

192. One more time: The new law has not gone into effect in CO.

This was not an abuse of the new law.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #192)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:32 PM

194. One more time: people in WA will hear the story and not ask whether the law in CO

has gone into effect yet.

Neither will most of the people in the other states that are watching us now to see how this works out.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #194)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:38 PM

195. I know you didn't ask that question.

You shouldn't presume everyone to lack such curiosity.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:28 AM

171. It's stupid and wrong, the same could be said if someone laced a beverage or punch

with PGA or some other alcoholic beverage.

Thanks for the thread, pnwmon.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #171)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:53 AM

177. You're welcome, Uncle Joe. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:55 AM

178. It is unfathomable that you would A) Waste that much pot on mostly strangers and B)

not think that didn't have CRIMINAL and JAIL written all over it.

Although it may be funny, the idea of tricking someone into being stoned, to a person who does not usually smoke pot the high from ingesting brownies would be really fricking heavy. It could certainly freak a person out who has never experienced marijuana before such that they might pass out, have a panic attack, etc.

I admit, it would be a bit funny if you were the regular pot smoker and then started to realize you were steadily being more and more stoned without having intentionally ingested/smoked pot... lol.

Still, not cool- enjoy life as felon's. Douches.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:29 PM

189. Definitely not cool, but was the hospital necessary?

I've eaten such brownies on purpose before. I agree that giving one to a person unknowingly isn't cool, but I suspect the victims will somehow survive.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #189)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:44 PM

190. It just freaked them out, understandably.

If you didn't know that you have just eaten a bunch of thc, and the effects hit you, it would be very scary. Especially if you were unfamiliar with the drug. It was an idiotic thing to do, but no one was injured. 3 people went to the hospital because the felt dizzy and had anxiety attacks. The hospital tested and told them they were super stoned and they all went on their way.

There was no risk of death as some in this thread contend. Nor did it have anything to do with the yet to be enacted legalization in CO.

The idiots who did it are being handled through the proper means, charged with violations of long existing laws.

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