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Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:37 AM

"If We Did Not Share in the Prosperity, Why Should We Have to Share in the Sacrifice?"

...asks Al Sharpton in the headline of a short piece.

(Article here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-al-sharpton/fiscal-cliff-minorities_b_2247565.html)

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Reply "If We Did Not Share in the Prosperity, Why Should We Have to Share in the Sacrifice?" (Original post)
PETRUS Dec 2012 OP
CJCRANE Dec 2012 #1
GatorLarry Dec 2012 #48
SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #52
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #51
dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #2
HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #3
truebluegreen Dec 2012 #18
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #29
HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #33
truebluegreen Dec 2012 #37
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #4
Coyotl Dec 2012 #11
ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #17
99Forever Dec 2012 #26
Coyotl Dec 2012 #38
99Forever Dec 2012 #42
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #57
99Forever Dec 2012 #59
dreamnightwind Dec 2012 #64
99Forever Dec 2012 #68
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #73
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #22
socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #24
Coyotl Dec 2012 #39
socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #49
coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #70
socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #71
sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #62
Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #5
xchrom Dec 2012 #6
Warren Religion Dec 2012 #60
Arkansas Granny Dec 2012 #7
freshwest Dec 2012 #35
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #8
Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #9
geckosfeet Dec 2012 #10
freshwest Dec 2012 #36
Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #12
etherealtruth Dec 2012 #13
on point Dec 2012 #14
JEB Dec 2012 #15
fascisthunter Dec 2012 #16
JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #19
calimary Dec 2012 #72
LiberalEsto Dec 2012 #20
99Forever Dec 2012 #21
SalviaBlue Dec 2012 #23
Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #25
leftstreet Dec 2012 #27
senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #28
Harry_Scrote Dec 2012 #30
SoapBox Dec 2012 #31
teewrex Dec 2012 #32
Brigid Dec 2012 #34
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mindwalker_i Dec 2012 #41
woo me with science Dec 2012 #43
DaniDubois Dec 2012 #44
progressoid Dec 2012 #45
moondust Dec 2012 #46
ErikJ Dec 2012 #47
Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #50
liberal N proud Dec 2012 #53
limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #54
burnsei sensei Dec 2012 #55
WillyT Dec 2012 #56
Cleita Dec 2012 #58
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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:39 AM

1. Plus, we bailed out the 1%ers, now it's their turn

to return the favor.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:14 PM

48. ABSOLUTELY!

Not just return the favor but finally to simply pay their fair share.

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Response to GatorLarry (Reply #48)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:50 PM

52. Pay their fair share? Never Gonna Happen.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:43 PM

51. Just an aside, we are still bailing them out, and will be while they ask for more from others.


As la Boetie wrote, the master can't give you anything he hasn't taken from you first.

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:42 AM

2. As the song goes

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:46 AM

3. Sometimes I think Al really doesn't understand American Socialism.

We have to share in the sacrifice because there is both infrastructure in place to tax us and the tradition of doing so.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:59 AM

18. I think you didn't understand the quote.

We've BEEN sacrificing, and paying taxes, and doing our part. THEY--the ones who have been reaping all the gains--have NOT been doing their part. Why do we need to pick up the tab AGAIN?

Nobody here has a problem with continuing to do our part.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:46 AM

29. I took that for sarcasm.

American "socialism"= socialism for the rich.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:14 PM

33. I guess it's time to go back to the smilie icons!

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:28 PM

37. <sigh> Second time today.

I'm more tired than I thought.

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:48 AM

4. Because we don't have the political power of the rich and super-rich.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:46 AM

11. Actually, we hold all the cards, but we do not know how to wield our power.

It is called majority rule in a democracy!

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:56 AM

17. That's VERY true. If EVERYONE got off their dead ass and

participated in the political process, paid attention, became ACTIVE (activists), we could crush the fascists.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:41 AM

26. Agreed.

Which brings the next logical question to mind.

How does that happen?

I've tried to ask this before, only to reap a ton of grief. I'm not trying to be argumentative. There are literally millions of us that don't have anywhere left to turn and no time to wait.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 01:07 PM

38. Three words: education, education, education

no substitute for good public education.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 01:31 PM

42. Great idea.

How does that happen? I could be complete out of my mind, but from what I can see, we are headed in exactly the opposite direction of that. Beyond which, there are millions of us that can't wait for the affects of better public education, even if we immediately change course. We need help, REAL help a year, or 2 years or more ago. Tell me I'm wrong in what I see. Please. Desperation is a shitty way to live. Give me a reason to believe it's going to get better sometime before it kills me.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:03 PM

57. What we "need" is to stand up and demand what we want, shoulder-to-shoulder. That's not


help coming, that's servitude.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #57)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:44 PM

59. I don't understand what you are...

.. trying to get across, could you expand on it some? Yes, we have to stand together, but how and where? What do we do when we are still ignored as we have been for so long?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #59)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:43 AM

64. Occupy was a great first start

It needs to morph and return in a new skin.

I think the word "occupy" was a poor choice, sounds like a direct physical takeover, which helped legitimized (in some minds, not in mine, I was thrilled with Occupy, nothing had given me so much hope in a long time) the brutal repression of that movement.

But ultimately, with so many in poverty and prison, and while our country (even under a Dem administration, aaarrrgh) continues to subvert desperately needed changes to head off cataclysmic climate change, you're correct, we have no time to lose, and we can't wait for new political parties, new leaders, constitutional amendments, though we need all of those things, but the world can't wait and we need to act now.

DU seems to fall short on this. It's good at bringing attention to certain events and articles, and for like-minded citizens to support each others' views, but not good at channeling that energy into transformative action. Shame.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #64)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:08 AM

68. Thanks.

Your thoughts echo my own in many ways.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #59)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 04:43 AM

73. We are ignored because we don't use the power we have, because we

are thus small in number, and spirit. And maybe our goals are too small.

My goal is freedom. Especially from tyrants (a better word than greedy capitalist, I think) who take the opportunity we produce and stick it in their pockets. Even with the people who are paid directly or indirectly to do their bidding there are only a few hundred thousand of them, lets say a million. But they steal opportunity from over 300 million who serve to provide them with comfort, profit, and power at the expense of our own and our kid's lives abroad and at home, our education, medical care, our future.

I know which team I'm on if my neighbors, us, decide we don't wanna serve Mr. Charlie any longer.

The piece at the following link was written nearly 500 years ago, so we have the advantage of seeing what happened after, comparing it across time and people in different places, but with the same struggle.

"From all these indignities, such as the very beasts of the field would not endure, you can deliver yourselves if you try, not by taking action, but merely by willing to be free. Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break into pieces"


The rest is here. Make coffee first.

They can't take our output without cooperation. 300 million servants for their causes. You can look over the past few hundred years and see people become angry at their conditions, and sometimes pull out the guillotine or guns or ballots, try and fight against the tyrant. But the nasty little buggers always come back. Which is why I consider it busy work to deal with tyrants. It might be better investing your time to figure out how to work with your brothers and sisters in the struggle for freedom so we no longer need ask anything.

If, instead, the 300 million would just quit cooperating with the tyrants they immediately obtain their freedom. Translated to today that probably means decades to organize and build. (The tyrants got serious again after the civil war, were slowed for awhile in FDR's time, but came back. So it's not going to be a quick fix). We find out if minds can be opened to the possibility of freedom again, build structures for our future, retrain people It means we acquire (buy) whatever the means of production will be for our future and operate it ourselves, competing in the global market we are being prevented from competing in today. Do what used to be done FOR us by and at the discretion of Mr. or Mrs. Charlie (a generic name for the Master).

We need to quit giving them the products of our labor. and begging and protesting to get it back.

You asked for help, and that is possibly not what you had in mind. I don't mean that in the meantime people shouldn't go after raises, or more food stamps, or extended benefits, etc, but we shouldn't fool ourselves. As long as we are asking for our own money back we are not equal, and thus not free. Especially not if we are being told too much is going to the tyrant, so there is none left for us. And for damn sure if we are told that they must take more from us for the long-term good of the tyrant.

We do the best we can with what we have, however. Maybe we organize while doing what we can to get the tyrants to do something now, while we undermine their power by looking for like-minded people. Maybe we start cooperatives and figure out how hard it is to go from valuing individual competition to cooperating with each other so we can compete with other nations that are beating on us? That's something for us to determine as a group.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:14 AM

22. Actually we don't. A "democracy" where Republican politicians

 

and Democratic politicians disregard the democratic process and represent the rich and super-rich regardless of election outcomes is a democracy in name only.

And you say "we hold all the cards." Try saying that to yourself after the Grand Bargain.

Try saying that to yourself after the Senators approve of the pending let's-send-even-more-jobs-to-foreign-countries "free-trade" agreement. Try saying that to yourself after Obama signs the pending TPP, the NAFTA of the Pacific.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:34 AM

24. Exactly. We're a center-left population ..........

governed by center-right, right, and proto-fascist representatives. The will of the majority of people on the issues WILL NOT BE DONE.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 01:08 PM

39. Actually we do, because we elected them.

So, we got what we asked for. If we don't like them, then we need to run different candidates.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #39)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:16 PM

49. Won't work. The system is set up now........

so that it takes beaucoup bucks to even get noticed in the districts, much less the statewide races. That means you either already have money or have access to money through wealthy donors. And wealthy donors expect return favors. In addition, there's the redistricting problem. There were a half million more votes for Dem House candidates across the country, but the Republicans STILL hold the House.

Smaller districts and a bigger House MIGHT work for a while.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:47 AM

70. V.I. Lenin distinguished between a 'class in itself' and a 'class for itself,' by

 

which he implied that even though the proletariat may not always act in its own best interests ('class for itself'), it nonetheless constitutes a distinct economic class ('class in itself'). So the challenge for all true progressives, imho, is to help transform 'class in itself' to 'class for itself.' The accomplishment of that goal or even efforts made to achieve it will have the 1% absolutely terrified, I assure you.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #70)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:32 PM

71. VERY nice point coalition..........

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:06 AM

62. All we have to do is organize.

There are way more of us than there are of them. The Unions have begun to form a coalition with Progressive Organizations and SS advocacy groups eg. They have stated they no longer trust politicians to fight for the people and will be working together to start fighting back against these corporate thugs who have taken over the political parties.

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:58 AM

5. k&r

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:02 AM

6. Du rec. Nt

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Response to xchrom (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:52 PM

60. Yep!

 

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:30 AM

7. Thank you, Reverend Al. You've nailed it.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:21 PM

35. +1,000.

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:39 AM

8. Headline of the day

 

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:43 AM

9. Fucking A for Big Al !!

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:46 AM

10. Much more than just a headline. A fair reality check.


Back in 1988, George H.W. Bush won approximately 61 percent of the White vote and was swept into office. In 2012, Mitt Romney won about the same percentage of White voters and lost. The demographics of the country have undeniably changed. There's a new America and a new electorate. And those who do not comprehend this notion will continue losing support and continue losing elections. Any further negotiations regarding the looming fiscal cliff must also keep this new America in mind.

The new majority of Americans -- Blacks, Whites, Latinos, gays/lesbians, seniors -- cannot pay the bill of the elite 2 percent by having 'entitlement programs' that they disproportionately depend on eliminated or cut, while we continue to give tax breaks to those that have benefitted the most from those tax loopholes. In a recent speech in Atlanta, Chairman of the Federal Reserve Ben Bernanke even stated that communities of color must be included on the road to recovery and that they have suffered extensively during these tough economic times, especially with regards to home ownership.

With limited time remaining for talks about the fiscal cliff, the degrading language and the blame game will likely fire up. They will try to paint the new America, the majority of us, as somehow lazy or jealous of their wealth. But it is the majority that played by the rules, paid into Medicare, into Social Security and into other essential programs, and yet still suffered the most while the ones who caused the financial crisis continued to enjoy their tax breaks and amass their riches.

Simply put: if we did not share in the prosperity, then we should not be asked to share in the sacrifice. Period. The New America spoke on Election Day and we want the 2 percent to make sure they hear us now.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:22 PM

36. +1,000 to what you said. Well said.

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:47 AM

12. Iceland jailed the banksters. See where I'm going with this?

 

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:47 AM

13. Perfect!

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:48 AM

14. Tax the wealthy until they pay down the debt they ran up under Bush, incl interest!

We should be discussing not a 49.6 % interest rate, but a 70% interest rate, at least until they pay down the debt run on their behalf. Then perhaps bring it back down to 50% once the debt is paid down to zero.

Oh and strike an international deal among the OECD to raise all their tax rates to 70% so there is no way to play one country against another like the rich try to do. ( or impose a major serious tariff if the country is run by supply side wing nuts - Britain)

Note the conservative argument is never the tax rate is to high on its merits, not it is is 'uncompetitive compared to other countries'.

So take away that argument and make it high and expensive world wide. The wealthy have been bleeding people in other countries beside the USA...

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:53 AM

15. We do to share!

The 1% get all the prosperity and the rest of us get all the sacrifice. Thanks Al for all the Truth you bring to light.

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:55 AM

16. because the delusionally-loud-mealy-mouthed fortunate say so

and that's supposed to be enough of a reason, besides the fact too many goofballs in the US have fallen for their bs in an effort to kiss ass for their own selfish benefit.

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:06 AM

19. Workers took "concessions" for 40 years.

Not only have we not shared in the prosperity, we've seen our benefits and buying power decline to fuel that increased wealth for those at the top.

The working classes have already done our share of the sacrifice, it's time for the monied class to catch up.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:58 PM

72. See, that is ANOTHER good point here, that's often overlooked.

Salutes to you, JohnnyRingo! This is something else that almost never gets mentioned in the same breath as the lead point. It's always farther down the list. It should be first or maybe second. EVERY contract in the last few years with few if any exceptions has involved workers making concessions. It's either wages, rate of wage increases, or benefits of some sort. Workers have always had to give back.

Once upon a time, workers were paid well enough that one paycheck WOULD take care of a family of four. Mom wouldn't need to work to help make ends meet and she could afford to stay home, make cookies, and vacuum in her shirtdress and pearls the way June Cleaver did. That union worker who supported his family of four made enough so he could afford to buy the cars he helped manufacture. Little by little, the so-called "job creators" were only interested in how cheap they could get away with paying their workers for the same or even more work, and that trend continues to this very day. Penny-wise/pound-foolish. Get the pirates' deal for now. Never mind the longterm ramifications. When all you want to do is get it on the cheap, pretty soon your whole operation is cheap. And not as desirable in the marketplace, and certainly no longer competitive.

THIS IS NOT A GOOD PARADIGM! Look at Hostess! The workers took it in the shorts, the company went bankrupt, and yet the CEO and all the vice presidents parachute outta there with nice fat bonuses with which they were rewarded - essentially for having tanked their company. I mean, sit back and consider objectively - what do we all learn from this?

And why isn't this making a bigger difference to our legislators and so-called representatives?

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:12 AM

20. +1000 nt

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:14 AM

21. That Al is correct about this, is beyond dispute.

So then.

What is it we are going to do to make it happen? Speaking out is great, but without some real world action, we WILL have "austerity" shoved down our throats, of that I guarantee you. Millions of us already have and I'm here to tell you, it REALLY sucks.

Not only that, I'll also guarantee you that the rich WON'T share one tiny bit of "the sacrifice" or their horded treasure troves. The 1%ers of today are no different than any of the other greedy bastards in history, and just like the those before them, they will NEVER "give" anything back willingly. Ever.

What are you (the generic "you," not you personally) willing to do, to change that dynamic?

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:28 AM

23. Well put, Rev. Al!

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:38 AM

25. Except that I wouldn't call the 2% tax rate reverting back to 39% a sacrifice. nt

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:42 AM

27. DURec

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:43 AM

28. Great soundbite! How about some others

repeating it when they go on TV? You know, as if we wanted to win or something?

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:54 AM

30. Now

...You're asking the right questions!

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:57 AM

31. Super K & R!

...hilarious...and oh so true!

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:07 PM

32. AMEN!!!!

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:15 PM

34. A big hand and a big rec for Reverend Al!

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 01:13 PM

40. The problem with this headline is that it ignors the fact that the 99% have done ALL

the sacrificing since the CRASH. Now we're asking the 1% to put some skin the game. Geesh!!!

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 01:29 PM

41. That is a really excellent point

It logically follows that since we didn't share in the prosperity, we can't share in the sacrifice since we have nothing saved. In addition, us not sharing in the prosperity is what caused a need for sacrifice.

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 01:34 PM

43. Not only did we not SHARE in the prosperity,

we were the ones LOOTED.

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 03:21 PM

44. Revs got a point.

 

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 03:45 PM

45. FuckinA Al!

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 04:05 PM

46. Good shot, Al.

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:06 PM

47. Share in the sacrifice? They need to sacrifice their freedom behind bars!

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:41 PM

50. YES!!!!!!!

TOTALLY! EXCELLENT! nothing much left to sacrifice
for many of us.

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:52 PM

53. The system is rigged so the rich get richer no matter what

It's like the companies that close and the executives get bonuses.


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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:06 PM

54. Good question. He should ask his buddy in the Whitehouse to commit this.

Well I suppose that's what this article is doing. So

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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:50 PM

55. Profound question indeed.

The poor sacrifice even when no sacrifices need to be made.
The national compact is so weak and has failed them so obviously, they should not be asked to sacrifice the food that just relieves their hunger pangs, nor the housing they keep only precariously, nor the clothing that wears down to a tissue-thinness before it can be replaced.


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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:32 PM

56. Tell It Rev !!! - K & R !!!






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Response to PETRUS (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:29 PM

58. My thoughts exactly. Every time I hear about sacrifice, I ask when

they are going to do so. They never do.

I'll give them sacrifice. Give us all those who have brought us here starting with Bush and ending with the Koch Brothers and we will take them to Mt.Kilauea one by one and throw them into the volcano until they get the message. Yeah, I'm kidding but the thought makes me smile.

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Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:57 PM

61. "Lately" Al seems to comes up with simple to the point statements

 

and just knocks them out of the park.

Someone can't even make a reasonable argument against it.

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Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:09 AM

63. A fucking men, Rev....

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Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:08 AM

65. The Lessons we learned from Romney's tax return

Is that the middle class have been paying a higher tax rate than the rich for years. It bis not up to us to now chip in 10%
more from our meager 15000 soc sec via the rigged cola or pay thousands more for raised medicare or let it be means tested into a welfare program, or allow medicaid to be starved an its safety net supporting old age nursing homes removed.

There is public knowledge that existed before Romney's candidacy and after Romney's candidacy. The public learned that the super rich in this country do not and have not paid anything close to a fair income tax via capital gains, off shore tax shelters, son of boss exclusions, renting religious exemptions, tax free pass through trusts, tax free pass through 401ks etc ...while the rest of us every year of our working lives have religiously paid a higher tax rate than these people for decades.

Anything Obama or the Democrats proposed as"balanced sacrifice" is now pretty much an obscene demand to further bilk the middle class while further enriching this tax privileged and ultimately tax enriched class. Rev Al is completely right. We see now that we have sacrificed all along and they have not paid even close to their proper percentage. We have paid our bills and theirs. It is time for the rich and the corporations to pay the bills they have avoided all these years.

We've already borne the pain, done or part, lost our businesses, our houme equities, our retirements etc AND paid our taxes. Now it's time to ask the 1% to do the following & see how fast our deficit shrinks & economy grows:

There should be a progressive tax schedule for income (including capital gains) over 250,000 that STARTS at 39% and goes up to at least 60%. Inheritance tax should also returned to rates at least of the nineties.
Go with the Nurses on a Financial transaction tax . Also eliminate the cap on taxable soc security income. Apply a soc sec, a medicare and a medicaid tax to capital gains (over 250000 if you want to cushion retirees, no cushion if you don't)

The two biggest drivers of the deficit are the Bush wars and the Bush tax cuts, not soc sec (not even in the budget), medicare and medicaid. I'm so sick of hearing these austerity/Wall Street shills on Sun morn talk shows blame the deficit on "entitlements" , social insurance the middle class pays for all their working lives, instead of reckless military and economic decisions made by the Bush Administration and exploited by the 1% and by Wall Street.


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Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:21 AM

66. Hey, I second Cleita's suggestion.

Send them to Kilauea.

Oh, Madam Pele, we have a delivery for you.

And thanks, Reverend Al. Somebody needs to speak truth to power.

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Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:25 AM

67. $100 Billion Revenue Lost Per Year Due to Corporate Off Shoring

 

What is the probability the corporate lackeys in congress are finally going to put an end to this obvious tax evasion?

http://host.madison.com/news/opinion/column/nicole-tichon-congress-should-put-end-to-corporate-tax-dodging/article_ed6367ee-40ac-11e2-bbb9-001a4bcf887a.html

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Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:38 AM

69. agreed. are you listening president obama? nt

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