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Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:05 PM

 

NFL players: Three out of four own guns

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2012/12/06/jovan-belcher-kansas-city-chief-nfl-guns/1752195/

NFL players: Three out of four own guns
David Leon Moore, USA TODAY SportsShare

NFL players say they need to own guns for protection, and that hasn't changed despite the Jovan Belcher shootings.

11:12AM EST December 7. 2012 - Former NFL running back Thomas Jones was always around guns, long before he became a football-carrying member of that unofficial gun club within the National Football League.

As a kid, he and his buddies fired guns in the woods in Big Stone Gap, Va. They'd shoot bottles and go hunting.

His dad had guns.

Jones bought his first gun his senior year at the University of Virginia, and, as a rookie with the Arizona Cardinals a dozen years ago, he learned quickly that guns were an ingrained part of the NFL culture.

"Most guys when they first come into the league is when they first start to realize they need protection," Jones says. "Because money brings a lot of positive things. But most of the time, it brings more negative things. People don't like you for what you have, for who you are. They don't like you for what you represent. And people will go to any length to take what you have or harm you in some way just because they don't have what you have. If you don't have a firearm to protect you from situations and God forbid something happens to you, you wish you would have a firearm."

Jones, who retired last season with the Kansas City Chiefs after 12 years in the league, was a big brother to young linebacker Jovan Belcher, who killed his girlfriend, and then himself, last Saturday.

Yet less than a week removed from the tragic shootings in Kansas City, NFL players aren't ready to give any ground on their belief that carrying guns is not only a right but, in their world, a necessity. Indeed, numerous players told USA TODAY Sports that in their estimation, roughly three-quarters of NFL players owned guns, compared with 40% to 45% of households in the general population, according to the National Rifle Association

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Reply NFL players: Three out of four own guns (Original post)
Great Caesars Ghost Dec 2012 OP
Rambis Dec 2012 #1
dionysus Dec 2012 #3
Recursion Dec 2012 #4
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #2
bongbong Dec 2012 #5
lbrtbell Dec 2012 #14
bongbong Dec 2012 #17
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #18
Logical Dec 2012 #8
Hoyt Dec 2012 #10
bongbong Dec 2012 #20
Hoyt Dec 2012 #22
bongbong Dec 2012 #32
Berserker Dec 2012 #24
maxsolomon Dec 2012 #27
Hoyt Dec 2012 #29
Logical Dec 2012 #35
Scootaloo Dec 2012 #30
slackmaster Dec 2012 #6
Hoyt Dec 2012 #23
Myrina Dec 2012 #7
spin Dec 2012 #11
Myrina Dec 2012 #37
spin Dec 2012 #40
joeybee12 Dec 2012 #12
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #9
lbrtbell Dec 2012 #15
Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #42
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #43
HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #13
lbrtbell Dec 2012 #16
HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #19
MrDiaz Dec 2012 #21
Berserker Dec 2012 #25
sarisataka Dec 2012 #31
dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #34
JVS Dec 2012 #38
Zoeisright Dec 2012 #28
Zoeisright Dec 2012 #26
doc03 Dec 2012 #33
JVS Dec 2012 #39
elehhhhna Dec 2012 #36
Aristus Dec 2012 #41

Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:08 PM

1. How else do you protect your stash of weed?

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Response to Rambis (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:25 PM

3. or shoot yourself in the ass at a bar?

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Response to dionysus (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:30 PM

4. Now now... Plaxico swears it was his "leg"... (nt)

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:10 PM

2. Since we don't hear a great deal about NFL players being robbed or otherwise assaulted, this

 

must work.

Good for them.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:55 PM

5. Nice logic

 

I don't have a gun and have never had a problem. Same with millions and millions of other non-Delicate Flowers.

So non-gun ownership must keep you from being robbed or otherwise assaulted.

Just applying your Delicate Flower "logic".

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Response to bongbong (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:19 PM

14. Name-calling isn't necessary

I carry a police-unit sized canister of pepper spray on my hip at all times, because my wrists are too weak to use a gun. That pepper spray once saved my life, when a relative and I (both women) were approached by a gang of thugs. I drew my weapon and told them to get the hell away. They did.

At the time, there was a gang of teenaged boys on the prowl, kidnapping women, then raping and killing them.

I'm not a "Delicate Flower"--I'm a realistic person who knows crime exists, and is aware that I don't have the physical ability to fight off one attacker or several.

Please don't mock other people simply because you live in a dream world where crime supposedly never occurs.

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Response to lbrtbell (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:36 PM

17. Delicate Flowers

 

The term 'Delicate Flower' comes from Tom Tomorrow, who uses it to characterize the extreme sensitivity that gun-nuts have concerning their Precious. It's just about gun-nuts.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:40 PM

18. You are a "non-Delicate Flower"? I don't care what kind of "Delicate Flower" you are.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:58 PM

8. You cant prove that, and you also can't prove guns cause a higher crime rate. n-t

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Response to Logical (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:10 PM

10. No one can "prove" guns are good for society either.


Steriods, head injuries, egos, etc., don't mix well with guns either.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:53 PM

20. Don't forget the rules for Delicate Flower "proof"

 

Rule #1: Any academic research studying the societal effects of guns is invalid unless its conclusions agree that guns are like rainbows & unicorns.

Rule #2: If any research conclusively proves anything the NRA doesn't agree with, refer to rule #1.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:20 PM

22. I noticed that during the short time the gun cultists allowed us in the gungeon.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:39 PM

32. It's the "Live In A Bubble" form of life

 

Rigorously practiced by folks like Fox "news" acolytes, and repigs.

"Get your head in the sand right now! Your Precious is being questioned!"

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:23 PM

24. Sure they can

 

prove guns are good.
If it were not for guns your happy ass would not be living in a free country and posting snarky remakes in a public forum.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:30 PM

27. Are you referring specifically to the War of 1812?

or some more recent conflict when guns freed us from tyranny that I am unaware of?

Reaching back 200 years to defend Gun Culture...

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Response to Berserker (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:30 PM

29. Yea right. We are not talking war zones. What good does a gun tucked in your pants do society here?

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:12 PM

35. And I have not tried to prove it. n-t

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:33 PM

30. Correlation DOES equal causation!

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:57 PM

6. They're all men with signficant disposable income

 

No big surprise, demographically speaking.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:22 PM

23. Oh, I have some extra cash -- I think I'll run down and buy me a cute little lethal weapon.


You never know when you might want to shoot someone.

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:58 PM

7. I used to LMAO at Packers players ...

... when I lived in Green Bay, who felt they needed to be able to carry concealed into nightclubs in town.

Really? You're 6'5, weigh 280 and can bench press 400 lbs and you're afraid of a little white guy who might try to steal your drink or take your chair?


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Response to Myrina (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:12 PM

11. When you are that big and strong only an armed person will mess with you ...

and even your "little white guy" packing a .40 caliber pistol is a real threat.

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Response to spin (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 07:03 PM

37. When you're that big & strong and surrounded by 10 of your besties who are built like you ...

... a little white guy with a .40 is STILL no threat.

Pro-gun Fail, sorry.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:56 PM

40. You probably are against anyone legally carrying a firearm. ...

And of course that is a valid opinion that many hold.

I have the opposite view. I have had a concealed weapons permit for almost 20 years.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:12 PM

12. Yeah, it makes no sense...

But gun fetishes never do.

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:59 PM

9. Honestly, I'm more concerned about the head injuries and drugs

I think those played a larger role in Belcher's situation.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:21 PM

15. +1000000000

Nobody wants to face the real problem of mental illness, because it's complex and expensive to address.

It's much easier to blame inanimate objects like guns...as if these same severely mentally ill people are somehow incapable of perpetrating the same crimes by stabbing, beating, or strangling people to death.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:29 PM

42. Or maybe...

 

He was just a crazy asshole who murdered his girlfriend....

Everyone seems to go out of their way to show that something else must have been the cause.

Asshole... Murderer... Simple...

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:18 PM

13. When you wear all that bling, you got to carry that thing...

doo wop, dooo wop!

If they keep it it legal it's their right as citizens.

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:22 PM

16. So if guns kill people

Three out of four NFL players would be dead by now.

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Response to lbrtbell (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:52 PM

19. Or their loved ones, family, or business partners...

before we sum up the evidence we should make sure we've got it all!

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Response to lbrtbell (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:55 PM

21. +1000000

 

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Response to lbrtbell (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:26 PM

25. Maybe then

 

my Vikings would have a chance.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:34 PM

31. Think it through

the way the Vikes drop things do you really want them armed?

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Response to Berserker (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:09 PM

34. I WAS thinking of how interesting games would be if you tweaked just a couple rules

like allowing all players to be armed
On the field.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 07:16 PM

38. Pro-thunderball!

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Response to lbrtbell (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:30 PM

28. Don't have much math education, do you?

Here are the facts: 276 people hurt by guns every day in this country, and 84 are KILLED.

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:29 PM

26. And how many of them beat their wives/girlfriends?

I lost all interest in football after oj simpson (no caps on purpose).

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:44 PM

33. I am amazed that many don't have criminal record n/t

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Response to doc03 (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 07:20 PM

39. Maybe that's why the 4th doesn't own a gun.

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:19 PM

36. prolly 4 in 4 has a scary dog



since we've done away with mental health care for the masses, it's probably appropriate for celebrities to carry. just sayin'.

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:01 PM

41. Really? A bunch of ultra-competitive, hyper-macho, muscle-bound guys

with 'roid-rage and guns?

Whew! Nothing to worry about there...

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