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Fri Dec 7, 2012, 08:39 AM

Time to Take Out Assad

Some people at DU might not like this, but if it is true that Syrian President Assad is considering using chemical weapons against Syrian rebels it is time for President Obama to order military special forces to at least capture Assad and remove him from power. Assad shoud not be allowed to use chemical weapons. That would be bad for both the Syrian people and President Obama. It is likely Republicans would not allow President Obama to move beyond chemical weapons being used against the Syrian people.

Yes, there would be consequences to removing Assad from power, but those most likely can be handled. The consequences of removing Assad from power would probably be less than the consequences of allowing him to use chemical weapons on his own people.

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Reply Time to Take Out Assad (Original post)
erpowers Dec 2012 OP
peacebird Dec 2012 #1
davidn3600 Dec 2012 #3
HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #14
piratefish08 Dec 2012 #16
dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #29
tabasco Dec 2012 #27
AnOhioan Dec 2012 #2
Lasher Dec 2012 #4
Scuba Dec 2012 #5
1-Old-Man Dec 2012 #10
stevenleser Dec 2012 #18
AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #6
green for victory Dec 2012 #8
AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #24
Volaris Dec 2012 #11
allrevvedup Dec 2012 #7
1-Old-Man Dec 2012 #9
erpowers Dec 2012 #17
uponit7771 Dec 2012 #12
morningfog Dec 2012 #13
zellie Dec 2012 #15
erpowers Dec 2012 #20
Taverner Dec 2012 #19
erpowers Dec 2012 #21
Taverner Dec 2012 #22
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #23
Prometheus Bound Dec 2012 #25
Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #26
bluestate10 Dec 2012 #28
David__77 Dec 2012 #30
Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #31

Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 08:42 AM

1. Another military entanglement is not really what we need right now.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 08:55 AM

3. If he uses sarin gas, we may not have a choice

This situation will get extremely ugly if that man drops that nerve gas on a population.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:40 AM

14. I think that we would still have a choice

it's not as though the greatest military power on earth is forced into responding to a tyrant's use of poison within the borders of his own country.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:42 AM

16. we didn't have a choice with the WMD's in Iraq either!

oh.

bad example........

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 07:04 PM

29. We will probably not know what he does.

Most of our news is highly politicized.
Sure, we might be TOLD he used it, but unless that comes from a neutral unimprachable source, I won't believe it.

Remember that highly publicized photo shoot of the statue of Hussain being toppled?

Turns out it was staged, not spontaeous.
And who can forget the Fox reports of rioting in Wis.but the pic showed palm trees in the back ground?

A final thought...How many leaders has the US toppled so far in the past few years?
turns out the same countries that the old Plans for a New American Century ( PNAC) blue print that Bush's cronies wrote up, are the same countries toppled or being threatened now.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:52 PM

27. Sending a cruise missile up his ass won't entangle a thing.

Great thing about technology.

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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 08:54 AM

2. Heard much the same argument regarding Saddam, did not buy it then, don't buy it now

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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 08:58 AM

4. If something needs done, why is it that the US needs to do it?

Let some other nation be the world police for a change.

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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:02 AM

5. So if I die from chem weapons I'm more dead than If I die from a drone-delivered bomb?

Why is it OK to kill via one method but not another?

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Response to Scuba (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:43 AM

10. I believe with most chemical weapons your death would take longer and be more painful

Whereas with a drone just about anyone group on its way to a wedding can be wiped out remotely, in a heartbeat. Much more messy to use a drone, I suppose, but considerably quicker.

That argument aside, it is awfully difficult to justify lethal drones, possibly the most cowardly form of warfare possible.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:58 PM

18. The geneva conventions have already answered that question. nt

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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:03 AM

6. Obama will take him out if he uses them

Sometimes you have to take a stand for what is right. This is one of those times. I am largely a pacifist on issues like this one, but when Bill Clinton bombed the shit out of Serbia and stopped the invasion of Kosovo, I was with him on it. He halted genocide. Genocide should always be stood up to.

If Assad uses chem weapons, he is committing genocide. He has already killed tens of thousands of civilians in cities in Syria. He obviously has no compunction about slaughtering his own people.

Thank you for taking a stand Mr Obama.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:38 AM

8. Kosovo was the first PNAC war

 

http://newamericancentury.org/balkans.htm



when Bill Clinton bombed the shit out of Serbia

he began the pnac era

He halted genocide

that is what the american people were told

Genocide in Kosovo?

So, is there serious evidence of a Serbian campaign of Genocide in Kosovo?? It’s an important issue, since the NATO powers, fortified by a chorus from the liberal intelligentsia, flourished the charge of genocide as justification for bombing that destroyed much of Serbia’s economy and killed around 2,000 civilians, with elevated death levels predicted for years to come.

Whatever horrors they may have been planning, the Serbs were not engaged in genocidal activities in Kosovo before the bombing began....

http://www.counterpunch.org/1999/10/22/genocide-in-kosovo/

i heard babies were taken out of incubators once...

Nayirah stated that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, take the incubators, and leave the babies to die. Though reporters did not then have access to Kuwait, her testimony was regarded as credible at the time and was widely publicized. It was cited numerous times by United States senators and the president in their rationale to back Kuwait in the Gulf War.

Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country and found the story of stolen incubators unsubstantiated. However, they did find that a number of people, including babies, died when nurses and doctors fled the country.

In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was al-Ṣabaḥ (Arabic: نيره الصباح‎ and that she was the daughter of Saud bin Nasir Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign which was run by Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government. Following this, al-Sabah's testimony has largely come to be regarded as wartime propaganda.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

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Response to green for victory (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:47 PM

24. Bill Clinton wasn't a member of the PNAC

And Kosovo was a NATO action, not a US action.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:20 AM

11. I tend to agree,

it doesn't cost us a lot to park an Air Carrier Group in the eastern Med. and bomb the hell out of that govt. till it collapses. The problem is what to do AFTER the fact. America is rightly sick of ANY kind of sustained combat operations, and, therefore, WE can't be the ones doing the re-building. I would back the following statement:
We (the US) will destroy that government and remove Asshole from power, but we will IMMEDIATLY expect a MASSIVE UN Peacekeeping force to get the hell in there and make damn sure that the rest of the country doesn't go to shit. You want us to play this like Serbia/Kosovo, that's fine, that's how we'll do it, but, like The Bosnian Campaign, it's not going to be JUST US."

Right now, it's probably the only way.

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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:16 AM

7. Much greater danger from the US and its allies.

 

We're the ones habitually committing war crimes in our endless pursuit of global destruction. Two well-known recent examples:

1. White phosphorus being used in Fallujah, Iraq, in Nov 2004:



2. From Human Rights Watch, March 25, 2009:

(Jerusalem) - Israel's repeated firing of white phosphorus shells over densely populated areas of Gaza during its recent military campaign was indiscriminate and is evidence of war crimes, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. . . .

Human Rights Watch researchers in Gaza immediately after hostilities ended found spent shells, canister liners, and dozens of burnt felt wedges containing white phosphorus on city streets, apartment roofs, residential courtyards, and at a United Nations school.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2009/03/25/israel-white-phosphorus-use-evidence-war-crimes


Much more danger that we'll use Sarin or worse in Syria and blame it on Assad than on anything Assad might do. That's been the pattern.

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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:38 AM

9. Who are you to make the decision to kill any human being?

Who is erpowers to be the one to decide who lives and who dies and when that should happen? Are you a god?

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Response to 1-Old-Man (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:57 PM

17. Did Not Say Kill

My post clearly said that President Obama should send in a special forces group to at least capture Assad and remove him from power. Beyond that every person has a right to express their opinion on issues. It is my opinion that President Obama should move to remove President Assad from power before he gives an order to use chemical weapons on the Syrian people.

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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:35 AM

12. Heard much the same argument regarding Saddam, did not buy it then, don't buy it now

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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:37 AM

13. So far, only "US officials" have inferred from one quote that chemical weapons

are being prepared. Without something more definite or tangible, it would not be appropriate to "take out Assad."

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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:41 AM

15. Kill,Kill... War, War

 

nt

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Response to zellie (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:17 PM

20. Not Calling for War

My post did not call for war. My post stated that President Obama should send in special forces troops to at least capture Assad and remove him from power. Special forces is not the same as a ground war.

On another note, how would you solve this problem? Should we just wait to see what Assad does? If he in fact uses chemical weapons on his own people should he then be removed?

Assad needs to go so that his people do not have chemical weapons used against them. Maybe the Russians can convince Assad to peacefully resign, but that is not a sure thing. Therefore, President Obama should send in special forces troops to capture Assad and remove him from power.

As I mentioned in my original post I realize that removing Assad from power will bring about its own set of problems. However, I think the United States, the world, and the Syrian people can handle the problems that would arise as a result of Assad being removed from power. Also, as I stated before I think the problems that will arise due to Assad being removed from power are less than the problems that will arise from Assad using chemical weapons against his own people.

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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:13 PM

19. HOO RAH! GO USA !!!!

 

Yeah, let's take out anyone we don't like cuz we're AMERICA!!

WE rule the world, beeeeotch!

((facepalm))

I say it's time to take out our huge, bloated fucking military

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Response to Taverner (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:24 PM

21. Not About Someone Not Liking America

This is not about someone not liking America, it is about someone harming his own people and possibly doing even greater harm to his own people. There are a number of leaders who do not like America. I did not call for those leaders to be removed from power. I also do not think the United States should remove leaders from power solely because they do not like America. However, if a leader decides to hurt his or her own people then the United States should step in and remove that person from power.

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Response to erpowers (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:32 PM

22. Could you remind me the election where the world appointed us Sergant at Arms?

 

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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:33 PM

23. PNAC'S minions pumping up the volume

 

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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:49 PM

25. His government has said they will absolutely not use chemical weapons.

Can you say the same about the rebels if they get their hands on chemical weapons?

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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:50 PM

26. The consequence would be for the US and others to install a western-friendly regime

 

upon a people who instead need freedom. Pay attention to the man behind the curtain. No more Shahs, thank you very much. Also, resentment at having your country ruled by a puppet of a foreign power breeds resentment and even terrorism. Which only justifies the endless war budget some so desperately desire. Heard of the 1%? Examine the war profiteers. They are the .01%. Incredibly rich. Give them no more, let them kill no one else.

"OMG, WMD!" Sorry, we have heard this song before. Even if they are real this time, it's only because those who have handed them out eagerly await their use in order to further justify the aforementioned endless war budget/having puppets in power in far away places near all that oil.


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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:57 PM

28. I am ok with giving Assad and his family that top leaders asylum in the USA without

risk of prison is he would give up and leave Syria before more people are killed. I know some people want Assad in prison, bt if that view prevails, Assad has no reason to do anything but keep fighting and killing until he is finally found and killed. The fight to the end will kill tens of thousands of innocent people, I want to not see that happen.

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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 08:10 PM

30. No thanks. I would hope such a mission would fail.

As I hope all misguided US aggression would fail.

There is absolutely no legal or moral justification for aggression against Syria or its legal government.

If Obama chooses to hand Syria over to the radical terrorists it will be a terrible stain on his presidency. I do not think he would do such a thing.

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Response to erpowers (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 08:53 PM

31. Assassinating a head of state is not acceptable in any way.

Also, if assassination were easy, the rebels would have pulled it off. Putting a force like Seal Team Six into the center of a war zone where military units are highly alert for anything that might hurt their President would be incredibly difficult. Failure would likely lead to the death or capture of everyone involved.

If Assad uses Chemical weapons on his own people, I back some type of limited military engagement as we did in Libya. But assassinating a world leader because we don't like him is just wrong.

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