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Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:53 PM

Are Earthquakes and Fracking Wastewater Injection Wells Related?

Two new papers tie a recent increase in significant earthquakes to reinjection of wastewater fluids from unconventional oil and gas drilling. The first study notes “significant earthquakes are increasingly occurring within the United States midcontinent.” In the specific case of Oklahoma, a Magnitude “5.7 earthquake and a prolific sequence of related events … were likely triggered by fluid injection.”
The second study, of the Raton Basin of Southern Colorado/Northern New Mexico by a U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) team, concludes “the majority, if not all of the earthquakes since August 2001 have been triggered by the deep injection of wastewater related to the production of natural gas from the coal-bed methane field here.”

http://ecowatch.org/2012/earthquakes-fracking-wells/




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littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 OP
BlueToTheBone Dec 2012 #1
littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 #2
NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #3
ananda Dec 2012 #4
teddyhcraig Dec 2012 #5
AnOhioan Dec 2012 #6
putitinD Dec 2012 #7
pop topcan Dec 2012 #8
littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 #9
pop topcan Dec 2012 #10
littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 #11
Champion Jack Dec 2012 #16
caraher Dec 2012 #13
Agony Dec 2012 #14
Champion Jack Dec 2012 #15
Welcome_hubby Dec 2012 #17
femmocrat Dec 2012 #12

Response to littlemissmartypants (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:56 PM

1. They were frackingin Guy Arkansas and they were having dozens of

earthquakes a day. They made them stop and now...no earthquakes.

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Response to BlueToTheBone (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:58 PM

2. Yep. n/t

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:04 PM

3. Yes, I am convinced that they are...

...And I spend a lot of time with people in the energy industry, though none who are engaged in fracking.

Fracking, Shale Oil, Oil Sands, and Deep Water Ocean extraction will be the death of this planet.

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:10 PM

4. Yes.

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:22 PM

5. Both earthquakes and sinkholes.

Don't forget the sinkholes; those are related to fracking as well.

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:27 PM

6. Short answer....yep

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:34 PM

8. Probably not. The first hydraulic fracturing was done in Illinois 60 years ago and they've had zero

 

earthquakes (which suggests the question, what is the big whoop about a few 2.3 earthquakes that don't even break any dishes in the cupboard?)

I really think the 'science' that purports to condemn the technology is on par with the creationist claims that the Grand Canyon was formed 6000 years ago in the "great flood".

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:51 PM

10. Except for a couple of those, they all occured LONG before any fracking was done.

 

Do you want to blame the New Madrid quakes on it too? I accept the facts on global warming/climate change because there's scientific evidence for it. There is nothing but hysteria and crappy pseudoscience to bolster the claims of significant problems much less damage from subsurface fracturing.

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Response to pop topcan (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:02 PM

11. References? n/t

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:09 AM

16. Don't hold your breath…

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Response to pop topcan (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:46 PM

13. So the American Geophysical Union meeting entertains "hysteria and crappy pseudoscience?"

Did you actually read the link in the OP? What research can you point to that says specifically what is "pseudoscience" in the work of the US Geological Survey? What specifically is flawed about their studies?

You've so far offered your opinion that we shouldn't care about small magnitude quakes and the incorrect claim that Illinois has had no quakes since the date you tell us they first used hydraulic fracturing in that state. That's not enough to overcome the presumption most fair-minded readers will have that invited papers at big scientific meetings are generally backed more by data than by "crappy pseudoscience."

Note that it's entirely possible (likely, even) that antifracking activists might exaggerate the implications of this research. But you are impugning the research itself here, and I see no warrant for that. The potential for some group to misuse a scientific research result is no indictment of the science itself.

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Response to pop topcan (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:54 PM

14. You are confusing the issue. First of all the fracking you are talking about from 60 years ago is

nothing like what we are talking about today. Your low volume fracking of vertical wells does not present the same problems that the High Volume Slick Water Horizontal Hydraulic Fracking being used for unconventional gas development today present. Completely different issues, 5 million gallons of frack fluid per well vs 100's of thousands for example.

The earthquakes under discussion are being caused by toxic shit flowback wastewater injection wells NOT hydraulic fracking used for well development. Your comparison with creationism is just bullshit.

Cheers!

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Response to Agony (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:05 AM

15. Bingo!

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Response to pop topcan (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:35 PM

17. Let's rewind...Why did you say "zero" earthquakes?

 

Let's try not to disappear the part where you made up the falsehood that zero earthquakes had occurred in Illinois since 1952. Why did you say zero? Was it lack of desire to do research?

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:11 PM

12. That was the finding in the Ohio earthquakes recently.

There are lots of links on Google. Here is just one from today, actually:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/ohio-fracking-earthquakes-cause-determined_n_1334808.html

"COLUMBUS, Ohio — A dozen earthquakes in northeastern Ohio were almost certainly induced by injection of gas-drilling wastewater into the earth, state regulators said Friday as they announced a series of tough new rules for drillers." More at above link.

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