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Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:50 PM

Really Chris Matthews, you really didn't know about the microphone until now, really?

If that is really the case, then Chris Matthews is literally too ignorant to be a pundit. If he did, then he is too dishonest. It was shown in real time, well a week or so after, exactly what happened. Here is one link

http://www.testpattern.org/2004/02/dean-scream-debunked-ive-supported.html

I am just plain, appalled.

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Reply Really Chris Matthews, you really didn't know about the microphone until now, really? (Original post)
dsc Dec 2012 OP
doc03 Dec 2012 #1
Lugnut Dec 2012 #8
grantcart Dec 2012 #12
yardwork Dec 2012 #16
doc03 Dec 2012 #2
Raine Dec 2012 #3
name not needed Dec 2012 #4
Glamrock Dec 2012 #5
Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #6
dsc Dec 2012 #7
Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #13
dsc Dec 2012 #14
Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #17
TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #9
pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #10
dsc Dec 2012 #11
russspeakeasy Dec 2012 #15

Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:54 PM

1. I never understood what was wrong with the scream in the

first place. What I think is the MSM wanted to take Dean down and that was what they
played up to try and make him look crazy.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:46 PM

8. I never did either.

I thought it was inspiring. The worse thing is it worked. I'm still a Deaniac.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:32 PM

12. i still don't get it.

The only thing that I can think of is that he seemed to be serious and soft spoken that it may have seemed so out of character that it seemed like a wild shift in who he was.

It was just a normal "Let's go out and win" type speech that is in every campaign.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:21 PM

16. There was nothing wrong with it. Totally made-up issue.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:58 PM

2. Matthews is sure making a big deal over this Fiscal Cliff, listening to

him the world will end on January 1. I think Matthews is more unstable than Howard dean ever was. He can shift his positions 180 from one day to the next.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:07 PM

3. Geesh EVERYONE ELSE has known about this for years. It came out within days of "the scream" like

eight years ago!

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:08 PM

4. Give the guy a break.

A thrill went up his leg and he got distracted.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:16 PM

5. How a-fuckin-bout it.

Well said. I had the same thought but mine was more profanity laced.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:35 PM

6. You're blaming Tweety for something from 2004? Blaming him for what? I don't get it. What's wrong

with Tweety's 2004 guesses and surmises and deductions?

This is all water under the bridge, anyway. But really, I see nothing wrong with Tweety's ruminations on the Dean scream matter. Geez.

This is really old stuff. Are you trying for a push for Dean for 2016, maybe? I see no other point.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:43 PM

7. I am blaming him for not knowing the truth about what even he calls a seminal moment of the 2004

race. It would be as if I, as a teacher of stats, didn't know what a mean was.

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Response to dsc (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:02 PM

13. I still think the scream was inappropriate and doomed Dean. I can see where it started

out okay...it wasn't just the scream. It was how long he did it. He went on and on and on. No amount of editing or focusing could alter that. He was in trouble, anyway. He could have recovered, if he hadn't already been in trouble. But the scream looked like something a really inexperienced national candidate would do. Not presidential.

I like Dean. But he wasn't destined to win the Presidency.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:14 PM

14. The point is that it wasn't a scream

in a silent room. It was a scream in a room in which many people were being loud. His scream was a totally appropriate speech given the circumstances.

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Response to dsc (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 08:05 PM

17. I agree. It wasn't a scream. It was a shout, though. It was appropriate once or twice...but he took

it to a level that was uncomfortable. Still, who doesn't make mistakes? He could have recovered, if he hadn't been in trouble already, as I said.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:58 PM

9. Tweety was firmly in the repuke camp until Hurricane Katrina.........

Remember, he was an admirer of *'s codpiece while he was on that aircraft carrier.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:18 PM

10. It's probably a mistake to assume that he didn't know about it

His report was occasioned by a new journal report that gave him the opportunity to revisit what really happened.

The new report was published in the journal Media, Culture & Society, which led to a report on it yesterday in the Washington Examiner:

Howard Dean's scream: TV screwed him
December 5, 2012
Paul Bedard
Washington Secrets

It's eight years too late for the one-time Democratic presidential front-runner, but that manic scream Howard Dean screeched after losing January 2004 Iowa caucuses didn't happen the way TV showed it. In fact, it was drowned out by cheering Dean fans, according to an exhaustive new study of the much-mocked yell of "Yeaaah."

The journal Media, Culture & Society has determined that the sophisticated microphone Dean had in his fist was built to filter out surrounding noise for news crews filming the event, and by doing so unfairly broadcast his scream minus the building crowd chants the former Vermont governor felt compelled to yell over just to be heard.

Without the context of that crowd noise, said the journal, all TV news captured was Dean's rant.

"Through the medium of television, Dean's speech exhibited a man seemingly out of control," said the journal. "His voice and energy level rising higher and higher, he seemed to shift from intense to borderline manic, finally reaching the peak of a crescendo in what sounded like an inappropriately enthusiastic scream." And, the journal added, the result was media ridicule that killed his presidential chances.

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http://washingtonexaminer.com/howard-deans-scream-tv-screwed-him/article/2515137



The full journal report is behind a paywall, but you can find the abstract here:

http://mcs.sagepub.com/content/34/8/999.abstract

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:23 PM

11. He mentioned the study

but he clearly implied that he had no idea that this had happened.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:17 PM

15. How would you expect tweety to know about it. It didn't

include him. And if it didn't include tweety, according to tweety, it didn't happen.

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