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Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:58 PM

DU this poll! (MI anti-union legislation)

Michigan's right wing governor is, right now, trying to cram Right To Work (for less) legislation through the lame ducks in Lansing. I'm on hold on two lines and typing with a free hand.

Anyway hit this poll! The wording is biased as hell and labor is losing:

http://www.freep.com/article/20121205/NEWS06/121205036/Poll-finds-Michigan-voters-divided-right-work-laws-what-do-you-think-

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Reply DU this poll! (MI anti-union legislation) (Original post)
Union Scribe Dec 2012 OP
peacebird Dec 2012 #1
Ilsa Dec 2012 #9
yellerpup Dec 2012 #2
pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #3
julian09 Dec 2012 #4
Greybnk48 Dec 2012 #5
Gothmog Dec 2012 #6
Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #7
FightForMichigan Dec 2012 #10
gollygee Dec 2012 #14
pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #11
pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #8
Whovian Dec 2012 #12
arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #13
gollygee Dec 2012 #15
arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #20
Union Scribe Dec 2012 #16
pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #19
pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #22
Omaha Steve Dec 2012 #17
limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #18
pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #21

Response to Union Scribe (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:01 PM

1. "Right to work" means employers can fire you for no reason at all, & employees have NO rights.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 05:24 PM

9. People need to look at the low wages of states

Like Texas that are "Right to Work" For Less.

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Response to Union Scribe (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:03 PM

2. 52% Pro U

46% RTW. (Idiots)

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Response to yellerpup (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:07 PM

3. The 52% is ANTI-union (pro RTW). nt

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Response to Union Scribe (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:51 PM

4. Right to work STATE means no union representation in state NO CHOICE

 

UNIONS does not mean everyone HAS to be in union, which the poll implies. Two factories can be next to each other doing same thing
one is union the other is not is allowed. One chose to unionize to get fair share of profit and wage.
Why work forty or eighty hours while ceo is playing golf and making $155,000 a week on your labor and your making $500. Unions will help you get better wages, vacations, holidays, insurance, working conditions and protection from unfair dismissal also promotions on seniority and qualification; not because supervisor is related, or has the hots for you.
The other factory not unionized, you get wages and have no say, can be fired just to let girlfriend or friend take place, lousy insurance if any, favoritism on promotion and overtime, no seniority as union where it is first in last out on lay offs and so much more for a small fee per month.
The right to work for less states, may save you a few dollars per month but offer no security, they are pro business at your expense.



Too bad this is being done, because no one campaigned on making Michigan a RIGHT TO WORK STATE.
Didn't anyone tell you that republicans are pro business and anti labor growing up. I know a lot of people got very comfortable because
they were in unions and forgot their roots and thought they were republicans and voted against their own interests. Imagine giving all three branches of state govt to republicans and expect something good to come of it.

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Response to Union Scribe (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:03 PM

5. Still needs help. n/t

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Response to Union Scribe (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:11 PM

6. done

Still needs help

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Response to Union Scribe (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:02 PM

7. Editing Post, Man Was I Wrong!

Last edited Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:31 AM - Edit history (1)

This sucks.

I expect a backlash and that this won't last, but for now it is bullshit.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 05:36 PM

10. They dont' care what the people think

They pushed it through in a single day with out a single committee hearing and without a single word of testimony.

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Response to FightForMichigan (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 06:12 PM

14. Very true

They don't care how people voted, they don't care what anyone wants. They want to do it before they're gone in January so they just did it.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 05:43 PM

11. The Michigan House just passed it

Posted in GD by cal04:

Michigan House passes right-to-work legislation after Democrats walk out to protest closed Capitol
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021938319

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Response to Union Scribe (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 05:21 PM

8. PRO-union votes are now AHEAD, 50%-48%

Should Michigan pass a right-to-work law, which would make it illegal to require financial support of a union as a condition of employment?

YES. People shouldn’t have to pay union dues to work a job. 47.58% (1,103 votes)

NO. Strong unions help workers and push to boost wages and benefits 50.17% (1,163 votes)

UNDECIDED. I need to hear more before making up my mind. 2.24% (52 votes)

Total Votes: 2,318


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Response to Union Scribe (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 05:47 PM

12. Done. I hope it helps.

 

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Response to Union Scribe (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 06:10 PM

13. No is barely winning by < 1%

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 06:13 PM

15. It's amazing how many people are rabidly anti-union

Even in what one would think would be a strong union area like Michigan. People fall for propaganda. It's sad.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:32 PM

20. Sad is right, it so disgusts me their stupidity

and selfishness

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Response to Union Scribe (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 06:14 PM

16. Thanks all!

As you've probably read they passed it. I appreciate your help on the poll though

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 06:26 PM

19. It passed in the House, but the Senate is still debating

Passage is likely, but so far the Senate has been busy voting down Democratic amendments.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:54 PM

22. The Senate has now passed two RTW bills

It now looks like final legislative passage won't happen until Tuesday:

Michigan lawmakers fast-track right-to-work legislation during chaotic day at the Capitol
http://www.freep.com/article/20121206/NEWS06/121206088/democrats-michigan-house-walk-off-vote-right-to-work-republicans?odyssey=tab

Meanwhile, RTW has pulled ahead again in the poll, 50-48.

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Response to Union Scribe (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 06:19 PM

17. Thank you for posting


I sent this to my friends!!!


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Response to Union Scribe (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 06:26 PM

18. K/R

done

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Response to Union Scribe (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:40 PM

21. RTW is now behind by 4 points

Should Michigan pass a right-to-work law, which would make it illegal to require financial support of a union as a condition of employment?

YES. People shouldn’t have to pay union dues to work a job. 46.88% (1,646 votes)

NO. Strong unions help workers and push to boost wages and benefits 50.93% (1,788 votes)

UNDECIDED. I need to hear more before making up my mind. 2.19% (77 votes)

Total Votes: 3,511

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