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Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:24 PM

 

Why I don't believe in conspiracy theories...

One example: The top general and top spymaster can't even keep a simple affair under wraps.

If he can't, then forget about hiding aliens, JFK, RFK, New Swabia or the moon landing....

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Reply Why I don't believe in conspiracy theories... (Original post)
Taverner Dec 2012 OP
sarisataka Dec 2012 #1
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #2
maveric56 Dec 2012 #40
SidDithers Dec 2012 #3
FSogol Dec 2012 #7
Berlum Dec 2012 #21
SidDithers Dec 2012 #24
mikeysnot Dec 2012 #28
SidDithers Dec 2012 #29
mikeysnot Dec 2012 #30
FSogol Dec 2012 #32
KansDem Dec 2012 #51
randome Dec 2012 #8
Taverner Dec 2012 #11
guardian Dec 2012 #4
Silent3 Dec 2012 #5
Mangoman Dec 2012 #6
Taverner Dec 2012 #12
EOTE Dec 2012 #17
EOTE Dec 2012 #14
graham4anything Dec 2012 #9
whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #10
Taverner Dec 2012 #13
whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #19
Logical Dec 2012 #15
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #18
Logical Dec 2012 #20
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #23
Logical Dec 2012 #25
whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #22
Logical Dec 2012 #26
whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #27
Logical Dec 2012 #37
whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #47
WinkyDink Dec 2012 #16
Taverner Dec 2012 #39
former9thward Dec 2012 #31
ieoeja Dec 2012 #42
former9thward Dec 2012 #49
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #33
PufPuf23 Dec 2012 #34
Taverner Dec 2012 #38
cpwm17 Dec 2012 #43
Taverner Dec 2012 #46
PufPuf23 Dec 2012 #50
Blue_Tires Dec 2012 #35
Archae Dec 2012 #36
zappaman Dec 2012 #41
RZM Dec 2012 #44
Taverner Dec 2012 #48
panader0 Dec 2012 #45
woo me with science Dec 2012 #52
Taverner Dec 2012 #53

Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:27 PM

1. I have always maintained

the government is far too incompetent to pull off half the stuff they are accused of...

But if somebody could update me on the location of batboy... I miss him

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:28 PM

2. "Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead." - Benjamin Franklin nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:13 PM

40. I beleive that quote was from mobster Carlos Marcello.

He had a sign over his office door that you could only see when you exited.
He may have paraphrased though???

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:30 PM

3. I had to look up New Swabia...

7) Hitler Had A Base In The Antarctic

According to a paper in Polar Record, and a few other conspiracy theory websites here and there, the Nazis built a secret base in Antarctica in which they hid Hitler towards the end of the war and fought of British and US planes using those flying saucers we know so much about.

The US eventually destroyed the base with nuclear weapons, but various governments striving to conceal this.

There are a few facts here and there to justify these claims: There was a German expedition to Antarctica in 1938-39. There was classified British military activity in Antarctica during the war and there was indeed a nuclear explosion in 1958 carried out by the US’ Operation Highjump that was meant to be a secret but got out, but there is no other proof to justify the other suggestions of a secret Nazi base on the icy continent


Is that what goes with New Swabia?



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:38 PM

7. I always thought that the US’ Operation Highjump led to the development of Dr. J.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:54 PM

21. "You rang?" - DJ

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Response to FSogol (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:03 PM

24. He was awesome...



Funny watching those highlights now. Those are still huge dunks, in this day of everyone playing above the rim. In the 70's, those were plays from another world.

That baseline reverse layup against the Lakers at 26 seconds is still my fave though.



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:16 PM

28. Still have my Dr. J

basketball from when i was a kid in early 70's.

Made in USA!

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:21 PM

29. Rainbow ABA ball, or orange NBA one?...



Man, you can get lost on youtube looking at old clips

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:24 PM

30. Orange NBA

Barely holds air, but i cannot part with it. My sons new one didn't last two years. Made in China.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:27 PM

32. I have one too, in my garage. Completely worn smooth.

New basketballs only last about a year. I think I had 2 in my entire childhood.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 05:48 PM

51. I could never understand why "traveling" isn't called?

He seems to take quite a few steps without dribbling in preparing to release the ball...

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:38 PM

8. No! It's on the Moon! I saw it in the movie Iron Sky!

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:41 PM

11. Yep - New Swabia is a pretty funny theory

 

Everything from there was a secret base in WWII (until Operation Highjump took it out) to there still IS a secret base of Nazis, along with Hitler in suspended animation, waiting for the day they can rise up and start the fourth reich.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:33 PM

4. This thread

 

is obviously a conspiracy to divert attention from the fact that aliens directed the Illuminati to use mind control on RFK to fake the moon landings.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:35 PM

5. But THEY let things like this happen just to throw you off their trail!

You're falling into their trap!

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:36 PM

6. Conspiracies happen all the time

 

Bush and Cheney conspired to fix intel so they could wage war

.... The OSP ?

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Response to Mangoman (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:42 PM

12. Well yeah, and they got caught too

 

And they always get caught

Problem is, nobody gave a shit

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Response to Taverner (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:47 PM

17. Ahhh, so you only believe in conspiracy theories when they're no longer conspiracy theories.

But when people were discussing the "conspiracy theory" of Bush and Cheney cooking the intel, I'm sure you were there to tell them what incredibly kooky "grassy knoll conspiracy theorists" they were being.

Don't you understand that EVERY massive coverup, coup, scandal, etc. ALL started out as conspiracies?

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Response to Mangoman (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:44 PM

14. Ahhh, but you see that's no longer a conspiracy.

And because it's no longer a conspiracy, you're allowed to believe that. If, however, you were to suggest that Bush and Cheney were cooking the intel for war back in 2003, then you'd be a kooky, crazy conspiracy theorist. Just as if one were to bring up Operation Northwoods in the 60s, they'd surely have been mentally deficient, but bringing it up today is totally appropriate.

People who say they "don't believe in conspiracy theories" couldn't be any more naive and ignorant. Of course they don't believe in conspiracies, they only believe in them after the fact, once they're no longer "theories".

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:40 PM

9. Room 237 about Stanley Kubrick and the shining and separately- BREADCRUMB trails

 

Great new documentary looking into five scenerios about what The Shining's hidden movie clues provided by Stanley Kubrick mean
(if you believe he left a clue about anything.)

I found out on a different board before this one, that if you believe someone, it is very easy for them to lead you via breadcrumb trails to the exact thing they want you to, and you will believe it.

I always wondered why Bob Woodward got the bread crumbs ONLY and not Carl Bernstein from Deep THroat in Watergate
And that those bread crumbs led EXACTLY to where Deep Throat wanted Woodward to get to and the outcome did exactly what Deep Throat wanted to be done

Now, what if Deep Throat being a master spy and all, wanted Woodward to lead to what happened and it did?

And what if none of what Deep Throat said was true, just the bread crumbs.

And why wasn't Bernstein involved?

40 years later it was apparently apparent it seems

I don't go for CT's anymore

Sometimes IS IS what IS IS

and anyhow, it is a waste of backward energy delving into it for anything more than entertainment purposes.

If one were so smart to do it, they would never be caught anyhow, as no one would believe them.

Not when the ESTEEMED WAR HERO George Herbert Walker Bush himself told the nation at Gerald Ford's funeral how honorable Gerald Ford was, and how his being on the Warren Commission was the most honorable thing in the world
(even though that statement was so out of place and sudden I choked on my snack I was eating when I heard it and shouted out loud WTF did he just say?)

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:44 PM

13. I don't see the government trying to cover those up

 

FOIA also released that we were trying to design a "gay bomb" and make Fidel Castro's beard fall out

Tonkin was all LBJ. 100%. No conspiracy there, just a bald faced lie told to congress at a time when no one could check via the internet.

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Response to Taverner (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:48 PM

19. The time it took for those 'impossible to keep secrets' to become public

sort of dismantles your reasoning.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:45 PM

15. Wasn't north woods rejected by Kennedy?

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Response to Logical (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:48 PM

18. It sure was.

 

But the CTers always pull it out to "prove" that their fav CT could be real.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:52 PM

20. I agree, but my point is that it was not discovered because it never happened...

911 happened, if it was an inside job someone would have talked!

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Response to Logical (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:54 PM

23. I agree completely

 

The 2004 election happened. If massive voting machine fraud had happened, it would have taken more than one person so somebody would have talked.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:08 PM

25. So true! Hell, the manhattan project leaked!

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Response to Logical (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:54 PM

22. Yes, but it proves two things

1) Government and military officials are in fact open to false flag operations.

2) The government can and does manage to cover up plans and deeds for long periods of time.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:09 PM

26. Yes, plans that are never attempted! N-t

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Response to Logical (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:15 PM

27. Conspiracies are attempted and executed all the time

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:16 PM

37. This crap is not 911 or UFOs or presidential assignations!

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Response to Logical (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:53 PM

47. The OP says conspiracy theories

Period. If it was meant to be about a specific theory and not a blanket statement, he failed to express that.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:47 PM

16. Are you kidding with this example? AS IF this affair is the end of this situation, any way.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:12 PM

39. Oh I forgot - the Patreus affair proves that Nazis have bases in New Swabia

 

Forgot

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:26 PM

31. The competence of government officials has declined dramatically in recent years.

In past generations secrets could be kept. Witness JFK whose relations with women and his severe health problems were both hidden from the public until long after he died.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:30 PM

42. I thought it was well known among the media at the time.


Back then it was simply accepted, even expected, that the President of the United States of America gets laid by lots of women -- and should get laid by lots of women -- because he's the freaking President!

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #42)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:04 PM

49. The woman were known by a select White House group of media.

Not the health issues. And the point is those media were more than happy to keep the secret. Nowadays forget it.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:29 PM

33. Do you believe in actual conspiracies? n/t

 

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:54 PM

34. Conspiracies are real. Wacko stuff is whacko stuff.

In fact, whacko stuff is out there to fog conspiracy theories.

History is written and conspiracies documented by the "winners".

Conspiracies are compartmentalized and multi-layered by convergent interests.

One is naive to believe the official narratives of 9-11, JFK, and the Abrahamic religions for examples.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #34)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:10 PM

38. I am thoroughly convinced 9/11 was done by who they said did it

 

Loose Change is so full of holes, guesses, junk science and outright fabrications that it should be mandatory for Journalism students to learn how "not" to do an expose

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Response to Taverner (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:31 PM

43. Loose Change creator, Dylan Avery, disavows his movie now

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylan_Avery

...and he now thinks that orchestrating the attacks was beyond the scope of the Bush administration.

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Response to cpwm17 (Reply #43)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:49 PM

46. Maher had the best quote: "I know the Bush admin didn't do it because it WORKED."

 

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Response to Taverner (Reply #46)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 05:41 PM

50. I agree with Maher. What does Loose Change have to do with my opinion?

Never have seen Loose Change but from the wiki link: "Since producing the original, Avery has re-cut the film to remove some of the more controversial claims and he now thinks that orchestrating the attacks was beyond the scope of the Bush administration. However, he still believes that the government had enough foreknowledge of the attacks to have been able to prevent them."

I tend to think that elements of our government (and other convergent interests) had enough foreknowledge of the attacks to have been able to prevent them (and subsequently benefitted from the attacks).

Did not mean to start nor have any desire to continue about 9-11 except the 9-11 Commission Report (official narrative) IMHO is not satisfactory.

Conspiracies are the human condition (which is messy) and I should not have mentioned that example.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:02 PM

35. I've always thought the general public was dense/distracted enough

for "conspiracies" to exist in plain view of everyone

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:06 PM

36. People believe in CT's since they don't like it that...

Shit happens.

A popular president has his brains blown out by an ultra-left loser.

A bunch of far-right Muslim fanatics use airliners to destroy a NYC landmark and put a big hole in the Pentagon.

So CT's thrive, among all groups.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:24 PM

41. Why do people believe in conspiracies?

Conspiracies do happen, of course. Abraham Lincoln was the victim of an assassination conspiracy, as was Austrian archduke Franz Ferdinand, gunned down by the Serbian secret society called Black Hand. The attack on Pearl Harbor was a Japanese conspiracy (although some conspiracists think Franklin Roosevelt was in on it). Watergate was a conspiracy (that Richard Nixon was in on). How can we tell the difference between information and disinformation? As Kurt Cobain, the rocker star of Nirvana, once growled in his grunge lyrics shortly before his death from a self-inflicted (or was it?) gunshot to the head, “Just because you’re paranoid don’t mean they’re not after you.”

But as former Nixon aide G. Gordon Liddy once told me (and he should know!), the problem with government conspiracies is that bureaucrats are incompetent and people can’t keep their mouths shut. Complex conspiracies are difficult to pull off, and so many people want their quarter hour of fame that even the Men in Black couldn’t squelch the squealers from spilling the beans. So there’s a good chance that the more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is true.

Why do people believe in highly improbable conspiracies? In previous columns I have provided partial answers, citing patternicity (the tendency to find meaningful patterns in random noise) and agenticity (the bent to believe the world is controlled by invisible intentional agents). Conspiracy theories connect the dots of random events into meaningful patterns and then infuse those patterns with intentional agency. Add to those propensities the confirmation bias (which seeks and finds confirmatory evidence for what we already believe) and the hindsight bias (which tailors after-the-fact explanations to what we already know happened), and we have the foundation for conspiratorial cognition.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-people-believe-in-conspiracies

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:32 PM

44. I think that's especially true for people who actually work for the federal government

 

They know first hand how ridiculous this stuff is.

One of my family members made their career in government and she also got quite a kick out of Hollywood's frequent portrayal of the Pentagon as this super awesome high-tech facility.

I think one of the reasons we have CTs is the fact that the truth is often lame and boring.

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Response to RZM (Reply #44)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:57 PM

48. A lawyer friend of mine, who worked for the EPA once said...

 

What is scary is not that there is some secret cabal with secret nefarious plans, but that NO one is in charge, and no one has any plans...

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:32 PM

45. You forgot the reptilians

I had never heard of them until I happened to catch a bit of Jesse Ventura's conspiracy show.
Then, much to my surprise, was a woman named Juju who claimed to be a reptilian.
I met Juju last year doing a job near Bisbee Az. I couldn't believe I was eeing her on TV. Now I'm looking at everyone's eyes, waiting for them to become reptilian slits.
They're taking over. Watch out everyone!

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 05:51 PM

52. Hmm. That was vague. nt

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #52)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:57 PM

53. Hmmm that was nonspecific nt

 

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