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Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:31 AM

Why do Republicans hate the UN?

Is it because a Democratic president helped create it? I just don't get it. What is their problem? It's more important nowadays than ever for countries to come together for the good of all. Have they always hated the UN?

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mykpart Dec 2012 OP
davidn3600 Dec 2012 #1
pampango Dec 2012 #5
KharmaTrain Dec 2012 #14
haikugal Dec 2012 #30
treestar Dec 2012 #48
Victor_c3 Dec 2012 #2
LeftInTX Dec 2012 #3
Cali_Democrat Dec 2012 #4
silverweb Dec 2012 #6
PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #27
ronnie624 Dec 2012 #40
SummerSnow Dec 2012 #7
pampango Dec 2012 #8
longship Dec 2012 #9
Coyotl Dec 2012 #45
beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #10
Berlum Dec 2012 #12
beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #13
Berlum Dec 2012 #17
beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #22
haikugal Dec 2012 #31
beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #36
MrYikes Dec 2012 #11
CanonRay Dec 2012 #15
Skidmore Dec 2012 #19
CanonRay Dec 2012 #21
NNN0LHI Dec 2012 #16
RevStPatrick Dec 2012 #18
Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #32
RZM Dec 2012 #20
AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #23
Odin2005 Dec 2012 #24
jwirr Dec 2012 #25
pampango Dec 2012 #39
jwirr Dec 2012 #42
ksoze Dec 2012 #26
PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #28
unblock Dec 2012 #29
librechik Dec 2012 #33
dawg Dec 2012 #34
jonthebru Dec 2012 #35
mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2012 #37
mykpart Dec 2012 #38
moondust Dec 2012 #41
randome Dec 2012 #43
Coyotl Dec 2012 #44
bemildred Dec 2012 #46
liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #47

Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:55 AM

1. Sovereignty

They see it as other countries trying to tell America what to do. And the reason this angers them is 1) most of them are not democratic. And/or 2) most of them are not Christian.

The libertarians have always hated it because libertarians largely favor isolationism.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:10 AM

5. Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. all 'socialist' in conservative eyes so we 'need' sovereignty to

'protect' us from the 'socialists' of the world. Conservatives kept us out of the League of Nations and have fought our membership in the UN every step of the way. They have fought practically every multilateral commitment that the US has tried to engage the world with, preferring to 'go it alone' in diplomatic and military adventures.

The libertarians have always hated it because libertarians largely favor isolationism. - Well said.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:30 AM

14. Nativists...America Firsters...John Birchers...

...this is just the latest incarnation. As you state it's a fear of "feriners" telling us "real Amuricans" what we can and cannot do. This sentiment has always been strong within the rushpublicans. Their roots come from the Whigs and "Know-Nothings" who were the original isolationists and, except for Teddy Roosevelt, has remained consistent...be it opposing the League of Nations, U.N. or any international treaty.

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Response to KharmaTrain (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:37 AM

30. The Kock Brothers...

father founded the John Birchers and they've had a thing for the UN for decades...and we all know who pays for the baggers and their ilk. (I just had to say that)

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:25 AM

48. True, and as usual, they don't like compromise

They figure that since we are the only superpower and have the biggest military, we should be able to tell other countries what to do. The U.N. suggests other countries having some input and they can't stand even that.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:00 AM

2. The words "good for all" in your above statement are exactly what they are against

They want to see the US above everyone else, not lowered to a semi-equal playing ground via the UN. Even within the UN we still have more than our share of power with the way the security council works and all that stuff.

With the UN and its rules, it makes it a little harder to get away with doing whatever you want to do to the rest of the world.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:02 AM

3. Right wing nut jobs do.

One thing they're upset about is something that GHW Bush did. It is one of their "conspiracy" theories.

Republicans usually aren't necessarily anti-UN. I was floored when Kay Bailey Hutchinson (TX) did not sign that treaty yesterday. Totally floored. Although she's conservative, she is well balanced. She has served with Bob Dole and admires him.


Snip from a fairly lengthy article @ Southern Poverty Law Center:
Antigovernment Conspiracy Theorists Rail Against UNís Agenda 21 Program

In his final days on Fox News, Glenn Beck passionately argued that by agreeing to follow Agenda 21, the U.S. government had colluded with internationalists to undermine its own sovereignty and turn the nation into an environmental refuge where nature would take precedence over people.


Full article is worth the read:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/behind-the-green-mask

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:07 AM

4. Because many of the countries are non-white

They don't like that.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:11 AM

6. "American exceptionalism."

The USA is speshul and we dont need no furriners havin any sayso in wut we do.

The rest of them furriners need to listen to us and do wut we tell them, not the uther way round -- speshly them fancypants Yurpeens.

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{For the satire impaired, this is intended to mock the anti-UN population.)

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Response to silverweb (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:09 AM

27. LOL!! Nice... np

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Response to silverweb (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:38 AM

40. Lol.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:21 AM

7. I remember when batschit crazy Michelle Bachman.

Wanted to get rid of the UN
I'm sure she had plenty of backing

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:26 AM

8. Bachman did indeed have plenty of backing. The state GOP platforms in Texas, Iowa and many other

states explicitly called for the US to withdraw from the UN (and IMF, WTO and World Bank) and kick it out of the country.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:32 AM

9. This is an old John Birch Society meme.

The Republicans have gone completely off the deep end. In the past thirty years they have courted the most extreme of the most extreme. They hate the UN because they hate all progressive ideas. They have to demonize all of them.

I never thought that the John Birchers would ever become mainstream, but apparently I was wrong.

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Response to longship (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:52 AM

45. A propaganda front for corporatism from the inception

So, nothing has changed except the old ones died. Look at John Birch history. Started by the Welch fortune, big money corporatism from the beginning with a propaganda model of activism.

It is the same old-fashioned fear machine that works so well to control behavior in primates

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:40 AM

10. Google the U.N. and the Anti-Christ

Seriously.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 05:59 AM

12. Yup. Big concern "Dazzling intellectualism" at the UN

Being able to think is apparently a hallmark of the anticrust...and freepbaggers hate thinkers.

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Response to Berlum (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:25 AM

13. Evangelical extremists believe that the UN will be led by the Antichrist

and used to exterminate all christians.

The fact that John Birchers continue to influence public policy scares the hell out of me.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:17 AM

17. The EEs need to take a good long look in the mirror

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Response to Berlum (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:41 AM

22. LMAO!

Is that from the original or "Shadow of the Vampire"?

Willem Dafoe was superb as Max Shreck and of course John Malkovich never disappoints.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:39 AM

31. They know it true

because they read the 'Left Behind' books!!!

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Response to haikugal (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:24 PM

36. Exactly!

They read the Bible and stuff too!

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 05:00 AM

11. Remember it's all about the fear.

Pushing the fear of the UN is easy and therefore is used often.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:47 AM

15. It's the old John Birch Society influence

only now they are in charge of the GOP

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:24 AM

19. So happy to see someone else on DU recognizes this also.

Birchers did not die out. Some of them became billionaires (Koch brothers) and bought out the GOP and tried to buy as much of the elected government as they could. Lord knows how many of the unelected officials are owned by them.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:37 AM

21. I believe the Koch brothers father

was one of the founders of the Birchers. Yeah, unfortunately they did not die out.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:54 AM

16. The thought of black helicopters drives them over the edge

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:17 AM

18. They hate modernity. They hate compromise.

 

They hate anything that smacks of intellectualism.
They hate ideas that are not their own.
They hate non-white people.
They hate the idea that they have to share the planet with people they feel are inferior.
And particularly if those inferior people are in a position to tell them what to do, no matter how small or insignificant.

These are small-minded people who believe that might makes right, because might is the best they can muster.

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Response to RevStPatrick (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:45 AM

32. And they want to reserve the right to invade any other country that doesn't play ball

with their rapacious Oligarch masters and give them access to that nation's natural resources without having any other nation or organization interfere in any way.

Jeebus wants us to have that oil.



I often wondered how they would feel if a twenty-year from now China, with a superior modern military force, and with their country in a three-year famine would use that same logic to take California for the food they 'deserve'.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:26 AM

20. Isolationism is an important part of American political culture

 

It's pretty strong on both the right and the left. I think it's on the upswing with the right now largely because of recent neocon FP debacles.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:49 AM

23. For a couple of reasons

1. The paranoid yahoos in their midst believe the UN is a shadow government for the New World Order. They think the UN is trying to take over the world.

2. The UN exists as an alternative to war. War = profits. Do the math.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:54 AM

24. Isolationism. The reason Ike ran as a Republican is because he feared...

...that the Republicans would run a Isolationist nut like Taft who would withdraw from the UN. This shit goes back to the US rejecting the League of Nations.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:00 AM

25. They have this "one world government" fear. Unfortunately it was not the UN but poppy bush who

was pushing for this in the form of globalization. They have the wrong target.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 06:31 PM

39. So you share the right's fear of "one world government" but not their choice of a target? Rest easy.

Many on the right who fear "one world government" don't just want the US out of the UN, but out of the WTO, IMF and World Bank among just about any other multilateral institution you can think of. (Check out the GOP platforms in Texas, Iowa and many other states if you don't think the far-right of the GOP doesn't hate those institutions, too.)

Seems they share your fear of "one world government" globalization; you just don't share their fear of the the UN. I agree with you on the latter.

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Response to pampango (Reply #39)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:49 AM

42. And you think globalization is helping the US economy in some way? For that matter is it helping any

nation with anything other than austerity?

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:01 AM

26. It's full of people that do not look like us

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:18 AM

28. They have to hate someone or something....

... or else they wouldn't be able to have a following.
Fear is a powerful motivator so they have to have something to fear.
I think they are a bunch of fraidy-cats. They are afraid of everything... UN, Socialism, a really really smart black president, gays, women, muslims, poor people, taxes, infrastructure spending, colored people, democrats, liberals,...
Did I miss anything?

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:23 AM

29. their idea of united nations is that america is in charge and everyone else does what we say.

they hate the un because they haven't figured out how to make it a puppet of the republican party.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:01 AM

33. them un American Furriners run it

and steal our money to feed lazy brown folk.

That is all.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:02 AM

34. Because ....

'Murika!

U-S-A
U-S-A
U-S-A!

Suck it, world!

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:47 PM

35. The John Birch Society...

(The Society For Preservation Of Wooden Toilet Seats!) has been against the UN from the beginning.

During the 60's the Birchers had storefront offices in cities and mid-sized towns all over America. They also paid for billboards calling for the impeachment of Earl Warren SCOTUS Chief Justice, charging MLKjr with being a Communist and of course charging all Union action with being Communist. To them, the United Nations was just like they state today, an effort to take over American Sovereignty. Fred Koch, founder of Koch Industries, was one of the founding members.

Dallas was a real hot bed for this activity and the Secret Service was very uncomfortable with JFK"s visit there in November of 1963.

Just recently, a "friend" called all Progressives' "Communists". Little does he know how absolutely wrong he is, but his exposure to the likes of Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, who is a certifiable nutter, and the rest of those propagandists brainwash his perceptions.

Millions of people are in his situation and frankly, being adults, there is little hope for their salvation.
One of the lobby groups who fought the handicap treaty yesterday was a home schooling group. What the frick are they even involved with UN treaties for anyway? Its a scary imaginary world they perceive.
Much of this is linked to Dominion Theology.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:38 PM

37. There will be those who

will give you an intelligent answer. They will give you dates and facts for Republicans Hating the U.N. but on some Real Shit, The Republican Party has verbally since 1964 said they wanted a Party that was void of Minorities. They catered and swore allegiance to their HATE!! They don't like anything that is designed to uplift Human dignity. They have had too many years of tearing Human dignity down. So the R.I.P. ( Ridiculously Ignorant Party), must stay true to form. It was no Surprise to me that they would sashay around their Colleague Senator Bob Dole in a Wheelchair, and Vote against a Disabilities Treaty!!! Hating the Handicapped is easy for them, the Handicapped are humans.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 05:19 PM

38. But they will do business with other countries,

use slave labor from other countries to produce their goods, use banks in other countries to hide their money and avoid paying US taxes, but they don't want to promote peace with other countries? That's one of the scariest things about conservatives. I will never understand this thinking. Thank all of you for your input.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:08 AM

41. They can't control it.

Last edited Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:56 AM - Edit history (1)

Not with tricks nor bribes nor bombs nor coercion nor threats nor family connections nor frat boy networking nor destroying their opposition nor anything else in their sadistic toolbag.

They fucking hate that.

Edit to add that another big part of it is the idea that THEIR tax dollars are being used to support a bunch of black and brown and "other" people. They hate providing any kind of foreign aid.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:56 AM

43. Don't kid yourself into thinking they have a philosophical problem with the U.N.

It was just a convenient scapegoat at one time in the past -one that did not fight back- so they learned to rail against it even more.

It's simply an inertial movement against it now. They really don't care.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:57 AM

44. This goes back to the 1950's John Bircher fear of the Reds

What few people realize is that the John Birch wing is now the center of the Republican Party, and paranoid politics has become normalized because they are almost all crazy paranoid xenophobes. Some say it is part of the old white guy biological and social inheritance from colonialism:



Others think that there is something wrong with their water

Where did those old white guys get their paranoid thinking caps? This is part of the answer:

In October 1964, the Idaho Statesman newspaper expressed concern about what it called an "ominous" increase in JBS-led "ultra right" radio and television broadcasts, which it said then numbered 7,000 weekly and cost an estimated $10 million annually. "By virtue of saturation tactics used, radical, reactionary propaganda is producing an impact even on large numbers of people who, themselves, are in no sense extremists or sympathetic to extremists views," declared a Statesman editorial. "When day after day they hear distortions of fact and sinister charges against persons or groups, often emanating from organizations with conspicuously respectable sounding names, it is no wonder that the result is: Confusion on some important public issues; stimulation of latent prejudices; creation of suspicion, fear and mistrust in relation not only to their representatives in government, but even in relation to their neighbors."

The Statesman article went on to charge "that there are many local communities in which the tactics of the extremists have made life miserable for good citizens ... through spying, nocturnal phone calls, economic and social pressures, stoning, even bombings, and other tactics alien to the American way of working out political decisions. Ö An unchecked increase in this kind of propaganda is degrading the American political dialogue to such a point as to damage our self-respect at home and our reputation for public responsibility abroad. These radical, reactionary positions are undermining American Democracy."

Birch Society influence on US politics hit its high point in the years around the failed 1964 presidential campaign of Republican candidate Barry Goldwater, .... http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=John_Birch_Society

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:56 AM

46. Yep, all collective action is bad, basically, and it's ideologically bad.

Because, basically, it interferes with the right of the rich to do as they please with the rest of us. It's the old southern planter mentality still causing us grief.

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Response to mykpart (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:58 AM

47. my father has been watching tv evangelists for years

For years they all said the anti-Christ would come from the UN and that the UN would facilitate a New World Order. I doubt he would admit to me but I'm almost sure my father would be against this treaty based on that and my husband is legally blind and my son is autistic.

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