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Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:06 PM

So IF Hillary is the Democratic nominee in 2016, will you vote for her or stay home?

Let's see ... potential first female POTUS ... but she voted for the Iraq War Resolution ... Walmart board of directors ... Obama's highly effective SOS ...

Bottom line: If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, will you vote for her? Or stay home and let Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich become President?

As for me, I'm a DEMOCRAT.

Bake

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:08 PM

1. I'm going to make that decision in 2016

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:21 PM

24. You mean a dyed in the wool liberal might need time to contemplate voting Democratic?

LOL - Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Response to Auntie Bush (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:06 PM

85. :)

No Auntie, I'm just one of those "one day at a time' people..

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #85)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:25 PM

138. agreed. I also have to get over hearing the same two or three names over and

over again. It pushes my entitlement/monarchy buttons.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #138)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:54 AM

181. Did you feel the same about FDR and Al Gore? Bobby and Jack and Teddy?

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #181)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:10 PM

220. yes, actually. I did. I adore them all but I am sick of dynasties.

Doesn't mean if they make the case they are out. I am just tired of dynasties.

RV, an old school FDR/HST/JFK/LBJ dem from way back when.

It is not good for this country to get their leadership from a small and increasingly shrinking gene pool

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #220)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:39 AM

221. Hillary IMHO will be a liberal from the left, unlike Bill was. She is not He. Separate people/paths

 

so I am not of the opinion that Hillary counts as a dynasty
same as I wouldn't be considering Michelle as a dynasty either

anymore than anyone else who would advance the same as FDR/JFK/LBJ/RFK/Carter/Obama

(excuse me if I do not include Truman on that list. I would have included FDR's prior to HST VP Wallace on that list had he been the final FDR VP)

whereas I would include Jeb as one and the same as he was bred to be from his grandfather and father like W was.

that is the difference IMHO.

No one can say either Michelle nor Barack ever thought of being President from day one
The Bush's have

(and I discount the Kennedy's myself from being a "dynasty" (at least the 3 brothers and the two children of JFK, in that none of them "needed" to be President, Teddy could have retired in 1968 and never done a blessed thing after that and no one would have faulted him.
Teddy, IMHO earned every single election he ever won and some were not easy.

and once he gave up the idea of being President, he became the best senator since LBJ after that, working endlessly for the regular person

and Hillary IMHO has the potential to do the same.(unlike those that keep saying she is tired and will retire, she will prove not to, when that would be easy.
She won't go the easy route, same as she did not cut and run after 2008.
Took a lot of courage to do what she did, and her loyalty earned my vote
(it was not a given, being that I most certainly was not a fan of hers before she took the SOS and earned my vote).

I believe that the Saul Alinsky part of her past is the real Hillary.
And that same philosophy Alinsky fought for his whole life is the community organizer that chicago(a good word) is.

And put it this way-
Jeb and W would not exist without 41 and Prescott

whereas, I do believe Hillary will be where she will be in 2016 IN SPITE of being Bill's first lady.

I do believe that someone like Hillary would have found her way to the top in a different path and be able to be President in 2016 on her own

To lump the two of them together is a great diservice to any individual in the modern age.

I would not believe though Jeb or W(especially W) could have done anything had 41 not come before them(and I believe W got at least 30% of his votes from people who in 2000 thought he was 41 running again and they had no idea he was a son of 41 at all. Yes, I think that side is that stupid.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #221)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:23 PM

244. my objection isn't hillary. she will be great.

I just find that with the emphasis on a small gene pool of 'names', the greatness of other people will not be known because the system favors the known over the unknown. I will personally crawl off my death bed for Elizabeth Warren.

I admire our side. We have a deep bench. But I am old enough to hate 'monarchies.'

There are so many who would have been amazing presidents but for the congealing around the known all the money and support you would need. Russ Feingold would have been amazing.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #244)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:35 PM

247. Yes, many would have but only 44 have. That is why I want Hillary. 2016 she can (WILL) win.

 

against Jeb, against Rubio, Christie, whomever.

But I don't feel that is guaranteed with anyone else.

I really feel Jeb will beat Warren the same exact way 41 beat Dukakis
I just don't see the 270 being attainable let alone easy

and winning is all I care about.

As you said, there are over the years hundreds and hundreds who would have/could have made a great president, but only 44 have officially gotten the title.

As to Feingold, he lost me when he took the ball and went home and whined ala Bill Bradley after 2000. Feingold could have run for Gov(same with Bradley instead of Corzine vs. Christie)
Always thought though Feingold was Wellstone light.

Wellstone would have made a great President except he couldn't have gotten elected,
and would have been the wiser VP choice for Gore in 2000 (among many other wiser choices, but if Gore wanted a good family man who was Jewish like the reason he picked Joe L., then
Wellstone was that person. (though his at that time not well known MS probably was a reason he didn't get any thought).

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:19 AM

167. me too

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:25 AM

178. I agree

I'd like to see who runs

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:08 PM

2. i will vote for her.

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Response to psychmommy (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:53 PM

100. I like her a lot better now, eight years later.

Obama was good for her and she does have Bill!
The Clinton's, like Obama, are not Progressive
enough for me.

But the Dems have my vote locked up. I
even voted for Gore after his dumbass pick of
Liberman for VP. The GOP sucks!!!!

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Response to psychmommy (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:39 AM

173. As will I

 

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Response to Warren Religion (Reply #173)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 05:16 PM

243. No!

I hope there will be some choices, I prefer Progressives who are not so supportive of Bush's foreign policies and who will try at least, to hold war criminals accountable.

I also will never support anyone who supports torture no matter what the excuses are.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:08 PM

3. aw geez, is it time for this already?

We JUST had the election and now we've got to already start gnashing away about 2016?

Why cant we focus on 2014 and let 2016 get here sometime in 2014?

I'm not ready for the Great Hillary Wars that I'm sure will commence here.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:33 PM

35. Of course it's time!

LOL! Never too soon to start!



Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #35)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:30 PM

69. I hope you are joking.

'Cuz I've gotta tell ya...


... the continuous campaign crap REALLY is getting old and turns off a lot of people to paying attention to politics, at all. We need more people that are honestly informed, not less.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:51 PM

54. I just said the same thing.

I guess I should have read the replies first before I shot my mouth off, err fingers on keyboard that is

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:08 PM

4. Hillary/Jeb 2016! The ultimate bipartisan ticket

Why on earth would you think the GOP would run Newt or Santorum?

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:08 PM

5. As the Man said, Sir: 'Vote For the Democrat; We May Not be Perfect, But They're Nuts!"

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:55 PM

102. +1

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:05 PM

113. Splendidly put. I'm in.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:51 PM

124. + 1000 nuts. nt

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:17 PM

134. Hahaha

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:09 PM

6. I will vote for the Dem nominee in 2016.

Period.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:17 PM

136. +1

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:09 PM

7. No more Bushes and no more Clintons.

 

I hate dynastic appearances. Even a Kennedy would be very difficult to support for me.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:25 PM

29. Are you saying...If Clinton was the Dem nominee...you wouldn't vote for because her name is Clinton?

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Response to Auntie Bush (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:53 PM

55. Yes. I am.

 

I do not like the appearance of dynasty that is happening with the Bushes and possibly the Clintons. I do not like that the Clintons are said to be akin to Poppy Bush's children in their relationships. And lastly, I do not like the DLC. Furthermore, I will not forget the trip into racism, gods, and guns that she took during the 2008 primary.

She's great as SoS, she's a phenomenal wife and mother, I have no doubt. But no more Clintons, no more Bushes.

And in case you bring up Chelsea, no because she's a Clinton and a bankster.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #55)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:40 PM

96. I'm with you, Lioness. I do not want the US to go the way of

the Roman Empire and become a monarchy. If we start voting for the close family members of former presidents, we start down that slippery slope.

No way. No more Bush's. No more Reagans or Nixons. No more Clintons. And, although I like them very much, no more Obamas. No family dynasties.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #55)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:53 PM

99. She isnt a Bush

This country has problems, and she would be good at fixing them.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #99)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:05 PM

107. No Bushes, no Clintons, no dynastic family lines regarding Presidency.

 

And you may be wrong, she doesn't seem altogether out of step with Poppy Bush, just as Bill Clinton didn't seem so and is now adored by PB and considered part of the family by the same.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #107)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:16 PM

116. So. If Hillary made it to the General for us, you would rather the republican get elected?

Hmmmm, where have I seen that before? We are in a big fucking hole now because of that type of thinking in 2000 and 2010.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #107)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:59 PM

129. Obama chose her for his most powerful cabinet position

So she is in step with Obama, good enough for me.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #99)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:29 PM

120. Convincing the purists is almost impossible.

The interesting issue for me is that in 2016, we will be at the same inflection point that we were at coming into the 2000 election. A popular and dynamic democratic President had worked hard to clear up three terms of republican fuck-ups (in the case of 2016, two terms) and democrats needed to vote to stay the course. The Nader ilk fucking blew that rational course up and we went through 8 of the darkest years in our nation's history because of their fucking clueless arrogance. Not ONE person that voted for Nader in 2000 can stand up and say that the nation wouldn't have been better off with Gore leading. Not fucking one of them can present a fact based analysis to refute my argument that they fucked up and the country paid and is paying a horrible price in economic uncertainty and jobs because of their arrogance. We may be better off in 2016 because we won't depend as strongly on the elitist, my way or the highway, Nader type of purists. Hispanics, working women, Blacks and Asians will have more say in 2016, that may be our saving grace.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #120)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:54 PM

141. 2 points

1) In 2016, its still three terms again. R's ran the senate during Clintons time, and were doing damage well before Bush took office. its not just mostly their fault, its virtually all their fault.

2) I didn't vote for Nader. Nader sold out his supposed values and damaged the causes he claimed to support in his personal quest for glory. But blaming Nader and those few who voted for him is virtually useless. Nader didnt keep Gore out of the white house. The voters of the United States of America didn't keep Gore out of the white house. That blame rests entirely on the supreme court and and the Republicans who were involved in election fraud.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #55)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:13 PM

115. Did you vote for Nader in 2000? Giving what will be at stake in 2016, I can believe that

you would have voted for Nader in 2000. We will be at the same juncture, a democratic President did a hard lift to get the nation back on track and now can't run again, we have to chose a new leader. I hope the Nader ilk don't fuck this one up like they did Florida 2000, when the danger signs were so apparent to every other democrat.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #55)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:17 PM

135. So you will vote for the GOP candidate ro stay home? Which is it?

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #55)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:34 PM

161. I'm with you, Lionessa! Plus, I don't think she could beat Jeb Bush, with all the bush mafia is

going to be throwing at their opponent, no matter who that is.

I would like to see a really strong opponent, like a Howard Dean type, who will speak truth, and who is a really good organizer, like Obama has been. The talking heads are going to be pushing the meme really hard that it's now a republican's turn, and they will be hoping it's the bush mafia again. AND they will NOT call out the last 2 bushes both bailing out the banks, having wars, and both having recessions. We need an opponent for Jeb bush who WILL call out the mess they left the country in. Both times.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #161)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:35 AM

183. She would slaughter Jeb Bush

The election would turn into a referendum on the Bush years vs the Clinton years. The Clinton years would win, hands down.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:45 AM

170. I agree with you 100%

Not a fan, we as Americans are not about dynasties. Don't be so narrow minded. There are plenty of people working hard and makeing a difference yet you only have a hand full of names to choose from because of family relations and name recognition. I think someone is paying you to do these post to keep her name relevant. As for SOS she's just doing her job that was handed to her, her winning in ny was because of name recognition. Ask the people upstate how she preformed?
Stop it with this celebrity worship. We are smarter then this.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:26 PM

197. No one cares who you vote for in the primaries

what if she got the nomination?

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #197)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:31 PM

198. I've already answered. NO.

 

Will not ever let my vote go for a dynastic or imperial or monarchic appearance in the USA. Won't do it, and for Hillary, regardless of last name, I also will never forgive her for turning hard right in the 2008 and her gods, guns, and racism therein.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #198)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 04:37 AM

232. You really should work on being a bit more flexible and open-minded.

Lighten up a bit.

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Response to Michigan Alum (Reply #232)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:35 PM

241. Sorry but choosing a president isn't something I take lightly, and

 

I would hope that no one does.

Hillary is the one who stepped into gods, guns, and racism, perhaps she should've taken your advice back in the 2008 primaries, then at least some of my objections to her wouldn't exist.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:09 PM

8. If she's the Democratic nominee...

...I'll vote for her. But, I doubt she will be. So get back to me later.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:10 PM

9. I'm a Gillibrand fan right now

 

If Hillary does get into the race, I will flip to supporting Hillary in a New York minute!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:11 PM

10. I will definitely vote for her

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Response to sasha031 (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:35 PM

37. Just so we're clear, was that "definitely" or "defiantly"?

Not everybody can spell/type ...





Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #37)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:46 PM

48. thanks for the correction Bake

I really need better glasses

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:12 PM

11. be sure to bring this up in 3.5 years

until then there is climate change, SS and Medicare and taxes and infrastructure and jobs and health care and............................................................. to work on

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:13 PM

12. First we have elections in 2014

Alas this is the problem.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:13 PM

13. I'll vote for her but my #1 choice is Gov. Schweitzer (D-MT)

She's done penance since she voted for the Iraq War and she is in fact the most qualified woman in either party to be Prez.

If she decides to run for Prez, she'll suck up most of the big donors and news cycles, so it'd be hard for any other Dem to compete with her.

I'd be very enthusiastic about a Clinton/Schweitzer 2016 ticket. It would give us an East-West ticket.

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Response to Larkspur (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:15 PM

18. I'll vote for her, but my #1 choice is Gov. O'Malley (D-MD)

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Response to FSogol (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:48 PM

52. Is O'Malley term limited or might he run in 2014 for a 3rd term?

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Response to Bucky (Reply #52)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:00 PM

58. I don't think he can run again. He did visit Iowa, which is usually a clue

of whether someone is planning a Presidential run.

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Response to Larkspur (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:16 PM

133. Talk him out of promoting "clean" coal and he'd be preferable to me, too IF Joe

doesn't run.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:13 PM

14. IF she is, yes.

Unlike some who admitted writing her in in 2008 instead of the actual Democratic nominee.

I support the Dem who's running.

The question now is, how many threads will appear daily between now and the actual date people know if she's in or out? And HOW far off is that?

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:13 PM

15. If she is the Democratic candidate, I will vote for her.

Period.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:13 PM

16. obama hasn't even started his second term for fuck's sake..

can we back off the fucking loyalty oaths for a couple months?

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Response to frylock (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:37 PM

39. It was just a simple question ... not asking for a loyalty oath ...

You could choose to answer OR wait it out ... FFS ...

Bake

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Response to frylock (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:38 AM

184. Its a fair question on a Democratic political board

I was never much of a Hillary fan during the primaries. I thought she ran a viscous campaign, but I would gladly vote for her in a heartbeat if she was the 2016 nominee.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:14 PM

17. The things I miss by being away from here for so long ...

People are hating on Hillary Clinton as a possible 2016 choice?

Let me make this perfectly clear. Unless Attila the Hun is brought back from the dead and somehow wins the Democratic nomination, I am voting for our candidate.

You can quote me on that in 2016.

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Response to Lone_Star_Dem (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:04 PM

83. Attila may end up being to the left of the eventual Republican nominee...

just sayin...

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Response to Lone_Star_Dem (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:23 PM

207. Attila was a badass, though

And why is it always "Atilla the Hun," do people confuse him with "Atilla the Swede" and "Attilla the Javan" that often? How would it look if we did this with ALL world leaders?

"Today Barack the American met with Angela the German, François the Frank, and Giorgio the Lombard to discuss the Eurozone financial crisis..."

...Okay, actually, I might start calling him "Barack the American" because that's just a little awesome, yeah

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #207)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:55 PM

214. So what was Atilla the Hun's last name?

Last edited Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:49 PM - Edit history (2)

Also, "Atilla" is used as a man's name even today in places like Hungary. So, "Atilla the Hun" leaves no doubt as to who is being talked about.

And now for something not completely different:

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #207)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:33 PM

215. "Obama the American"

I like that!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:15 PM

19. At the present I will vote for Hillary....but 2016 is a long way off

Se is a qualfied Canidate.....

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:16 PM

20. Both.

I vote by mail here in CA.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:16 PM

21. Vote for her

She is a Democrat. No Gringich or Santorum in the WH. That would be horrible.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:18 PM

22. no gop

Its time for a woman. If she runs, she gets my vote.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:19 PM

23. She won't be the nominee.

That said, I'll vote for whoever wins the primary.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:22 PM

25. I think I have

plenty of time to figure that out. How about we wait until 2014 or so and actually see who is running.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:38 PM

41. According to Lawrence O'Donnell, Hillary IS running ...

These things start early, it seems.



Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #41)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:42 PM

45. I'll believe it when

Hillary says it.

Can't we just enjoy the upcoming inauguration?

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:24 PM

26. So soon with this?

Of course I will.

But let's wait until President Obama is sworn in for his second term, please.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:24 PM

27. I have a wait and see attitude...

Hillary has good points and bad points. The Dems have to perform period. We'll see.

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Response to haikugal (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:06 PM

157. Exactly, I'll never forget her gods, guns, and racism in 2008 primaries.

 

Makes her really hard to embrace for president anymore.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #157)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:44 PM

189. TRUTH!! For me as a person of color and a woman, it turned me off then, but I've forgiven

her and Bill. If she is the nominee I will vote for her.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:24 PM

28. No way in hell I stay home

I might not be fired up about it. But at the end of the day, there's no way I'm staying home to let a rethug in the whitehouse.

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Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:31 PM

32. Or let a Rethug pick a SC Justice. nt

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:26 PM

30. I'm focused on 2014. That's the first order of business, imo.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:28 PM

31. I will vote for Hillary.

 

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:32 PM

33. We're doing this again?

Shouldn't we wait until we hate her to ask?

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:33 PM

34. Will you vote for her?

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:39 PM

42. I believe I said I'm a Democrat.

If Hillary's our nominee, hell yes I'll vote for her. For the record.

Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #42)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:33 PM

70. Just wanted to be clear.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:34 PM

36. I will vote for her mainly to keep a Democrat in the White House. n/t

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:35 PM

38. That would be pretty funny if Newt and Ricky were the top two Republican contenders

 

No way either could be president, even with a lot of Dems staying home (which wouldn't happen, BTW, if Hillary were nominated).

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:37 PM

40. Not vote for the most popular woman in the country?

Not vote for the closest thing to a sure-bet candidate we have?

Of course I would vote for Hillary, and I would do so enthusiastically.

If we are going to have a woman candidate within the next decade, it is going to be Hillary. If not her, it will be only male presidents for years to come. Period.

As highly as we may regard Warren or Gillibrand or any other woman politician, they do not have the name recognition, the gravitas, the resume, the political network, or the electibility that Hillary does.

Yes, we can quibble over her vote on the Iraq War or her various statements during the campaign of 2008, but let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good -- or in Hillary's case, the very damn good... especially considering most DUers' choice for the "perfect" candidate wouldn't have a ghost of a chance of getting elected.

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Response to JaneQPublic (Reply #40)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:41 PM

44. JaneQ, you said a mouthful!

Very damn good!

Bake

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Response to JaneQPublic (Reply #40)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:39 PM

95. but Gillibrand and Warren don't have so many whoppers behind them to hide from.

they do not have the name recognition, the gravitas, the resume, the political network, or the electibility that Hillary does.

Hillary has closets full.
That is what will win this thing - the new media. and the information out there on youtube and other sources on the 'net are not kind to Hillary. but Devastating.

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Response to JaneQPublic (Reply #40)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:44 PM

97. Voting for the person whose name is recognized,

the one whose husband or father was a great president. That's how dynasties form, and that's how nations become governed by monarchs. No way. One Clinton, one Bush, one Reagan, one presidency per family and no more.

The Clintons are not nobility. Please. She should lend her support to a candidate who is not related to her.

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Response to JaneQPublic (Reply #40)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:25 PM

137. But Warren and others don't have that GOP Clinton hate to deal with -- although the

Obama hate didn't stop him, so maybe I'm putting too much weight in that...

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:40 PM

43. The OP's question was...IF Clinton were the nominee...would you vote for her!

I would hope not one person on the board would not. I certainly will no matter what!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:44 PM

46. IF Clinton were the nominee of course I'd vote for her.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:44 PM

47. Vote for her, of course.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:46 PM

49. There's a reason Texan Dems are called "Yella Dogs"

It means we'd vote for a yellow dog if it won the party's nomination. I got no problem with Mrs Clinton, and I'd gladly vote for her, though she's not my first choice. I'm disinclined to think she'd get through the nomination process successfully again. I could be surprised. History hasn't been kind to the Democrats when we nominate battle-tested warhorses (Humphrey, Kerry, Gore, Mondale). I think some fresh face will come along. If Clinton keeps a toe in the water, I doubt any of those fresh faces will be women, however. Too bad. There's a couple I'd really like to see run.

But back on point: I will vote for the party's nominee in 2016, no matter what.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:46 PM

50. She'd make a great President

 

Of course, that doesn't mean we won't have to absolutely, without question, hold her feet to the fire

That's the only way you can get anything from a Clinton

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:47 PM

51. Since Republicans are not going to become a liberal, left of center, progressive party...

Why, yes, yes I would for Hillary in the General election if she won the nomination.

Now, in the primaries I would have to weigh her against others in the field.

But, as the nominee, I won't knowingly, or by my inaction, support the abomination Republicans will nominate.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:50 PM

53. Sure wish we wouldn't get this started so soon

let her announce first

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:56 PM

56. I'm not a democrat...

...so my conscience is not troubled. Last time I voted for a democrat for president was 2000. It'll be a cold day in hell indeed before I vote for anyone who helped support the invasion of Iraq.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #56)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:05 PM

61. Then why are you here ... on a site called Democratic Underground?

Just wondering ...

Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #61)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:36 PM

140. been here since nearly the beginning....

In those days there were lots of acknowledged greens and other progressives posting regularly on DU. Probably still are, but many left over the years. I'm still here. I'm a former dem whom the party left behind as it lurched to the right. Even when I was a democrat though, I was barely one, way over on the left fringe. If there's ever a social democrat wing of the democratic party, that might draw me back. One can always hope.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #140)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:30 PM

146. Then why do you have so few posts? If you've been here for 10 years? nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #146)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:40 PM

150. I dunno....

Not a prolific poster, I suppose, although 30K posts isn't silent, either. Check my profile. I joined DU in early 2002, after several months of lurking. I read DU nearly every day, but don't always post.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #150)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 06:54 AM

175. Just wondering. I've been around at least that long....I thought DU had been around longer

than 2002, actually. Wasn't DU around during the 2000 election?

Anyway, I joined years ago, then stopped. Got sick of all the divisiveness and personal attacks and such. Then I rejoined later again, I think for the 2004 election. But my post count is low because....I didn't carry forward from my first joining, and I don't participate sometimes for a period of time.

So I was just curious.

I'm not a Democrat, either. But I'm a liberal and almost always vote Democratic. I just don't align myself with any political party. But it's not because I'm further left. I just have issues with the parties. I am not progressive, either, on some issues. I am more moderate.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #175)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:44 AM

187. DU went online in January 2001....

Right after the first Bush inauguration. I started lurking a few months later after seeing a thread about DU on democrats.com. Nice to make your acquaintance, Honeycombe8!

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Response to mike_c (Reply #187)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:21 PM

210. Back atcha, Mike!

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #146)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:22 PM

194. I've been a member since 2004 and only have 846 posts.

I must have the lowest post rate of anyone who is still posting.

ETA: I'm just surprised that 30,920 posts is considered low.

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Response to athena (Reply #194)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:23 PM

212. You're right. That's not low.

I'm just so used to seeing high number posters, I guess.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:57 PM

57. I'll be dead.

Bake

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #57)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:09 PM

62. ...

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:01 PM

59. I'd kinda like to see Michele as her VP running mate.

(and I'm a 77 yr. old male, but I would like to see what the hell the GOP would do with a woman (women?) in there - they wouldn't like that any more than they are liking Obama.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:04 PM

60. Focus on 2014 first, people

We have to get through this cycle intact, first.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:10 PM

63. I'll be the first in line for early voting to vote for her.

 

Both in the primary and in the GE.

I'd crawl on broken glass for a week to make sure I'm first in line, too.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:14 PM

64. If I'm still alive, I'll vote for the Democratic nominee

although I hope it isn't Mrs. Clinton for a number of reasons.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:21 PM

65. I'll vote.

but only downticket races. I might cast a vote for whomever the Democratic Socialist nominee is.

I've said it before...there are people who run as Democrats that are not as far as I am concerned really Democrats and I will never cast a ballot for...and Hillary Clinton is one of them. I will as a matter of course working for whatever primary opponent is the last one standing against her. I'll be starting the primary season with Martin O'Malley.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:24 PM

66. Yes, if she's the nominee.

However (and I know this wasn't the question) I don't plan on voting for her in the primaries.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:24 PM

67. Look, you know perfectly well everybody here would grit their teeth and vote for her.

The point is, there's no good reason we should nominate somebody progressives HAVE to grit their teeth to vote for.
This isn't a right-wing country and we don't have to nominate hardline hawks anymore to win. At the least, she owes an apology for backing the U.S. involvement in cherry-picking who got to be president of Haiti(helping to make sure that only right-wing candidates were allowed to run)and in enabling the coup in Honduras. Neither of those things were necessary for U.S. security(it's particularly disgusting that she seemed to accept the idea that it threatens U.S. security to let Haiti increase the minimum freaking wage.)

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:24 PM

68. Let's see who will be the nominee first

I mean it is 4 years away

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Response to loyalkydem (Reply #68)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:33 PM

71. No, you must answer right now.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #71)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:07 PM

86. I rather it be Elizabeth Warren

but if she is the nominee I will vote for her.

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Response to loyalkydem (Reply #86)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:33 PM

92. I was kidding.

But sounds good to me.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:36 PM

72. I refuse to vote for Hillary...

....unless we have a knock down drag out Primaries 2016 like we did in 2008 first.

Then once all the tears are shed and the bitterness sets in for some while others are overjoyed, I will vote for the nominee who won our primaries.

If that nominee happens to be Hillary Clinton, I'll have no problem voting for her.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:44 PM

73. I would support her against a Repuglican for damn sure.

but it would be hard to do. very hard. and I'd have to get the go ahead signals from Obama.

for me it was easy to support Obama because I believed in him. I believe he is an honest and decent person and tries his best to do the right thing for others before for himself.

I never thought I'd ever see anyone like that as President. He is like a wish-list President.

But if Barack Obama gives her the thumbs up, I would try my best to do what I could.

but it would be haaaard.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:44 PM

74. You bet nt

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:50 PM

75. If she runs and if she is the nominee I would vote for her

I'm really hoping to see someone far more left in the WH.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:51 PM

76. Vote for her. n/t.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:53 PM

77. I'd rather vote for Barbara Boxer, but if it's Hillary Clinton, of course she has my vote. n/t

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:54 PM

78. She's wouldn't be my first choice, but I would vote for her.

I am a lot more liberal than she is, but she is a lot more liberal than most Republicans.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:55 PM

79. I will vote against ANY Republican. End of discussion. nt

 

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #79)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:56 PM

81. You and me both. ALWAYS.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:55 PM

80. HELL YES

I would vote fo a potted plant before voting for those morons, and I would never stay home. The year I stop voting is the year I drop dead.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:57 PM

82. I would vote inthusiasticly!!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:05 PM

84. I have no problems pulling the lever for Hillary. nt

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:10 PM

87. I am not a Reaganite so I will be voting for the Democratic nominee

There is a hidden message in that headline.

Don

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:20 PM

88. I don't agree with All of Hillary's positions any more than

I agree with All Of President Obama's, but of course I would vote for Hillary in 2016 without reservation rather than let some RepubliThug such as those you mention accede to The Office. Who wouldn't? Hillary has more to offer any day on any level than those kind of people ever have at any time. As I've said so many times before, I will continue to vote Democratic even though the Democratic Party is far from the Socialists I prefer until such time as the RepubliThugs start supporting viable candidates instead of Nazis. When they promote candidates that support the Constitution and the average American, I will feel comfortable voting for the Socialist candidate because even if the Socialist doesn't win, a RepubliThug under those conditions might actually be called an Ike Era Republican which might not be so bad.

However, I don't see that happening. I think the RepubliThugs are now too far over the cliff and will never return to what they once were, so yes, I will readily and happily vote for Hillary in 2016 if she chooses to run for that crazy job. I'd rather have a Democratic right of center genius than a RepubliThug any day.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:29 PM

89. Yes, I would be happy to vote for her

I would be very happy to support her and vote for her. I supported Obama in 2008 but would have supported and voted for H. Clinton is she was the nominee in 2008.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:32 PM

90. I'm much more impressed with her now than I was in '08

so YES, she'd get my vote!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:33 PM

91. I can't wait to vote for Hillary!!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:34 PM

93. She won't be.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:37 PM

94. Right now, I hope we find a better candidate who is more

courteous to people who do not agree with her than Hillary Clinton has been, one who didn't serve on Walmart's board at a time that it discriminated against women and did not pay decent wages, did not vote for the Iraq War and is younger.

I am the age that Hillary Clinton will be in 2016. I am healthy and keep fit and am told I look younger than my age, but I know how little energy I have and that I cannot do what I did four years ago.

I think Hillary Clinton should help find some other person to run for president in 2016.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:47 PM

98. Love to see someone try and and stop me....

It wouldn't be pretty

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:54 PM

101. Hillary

No, I would not vote for Hillary.











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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:01 PM

103. I have no reason to vote for H. Clinton

I live in Arizona, where a Dem won't win.

So, I don't know. I might vote Green again and hope the Democrat wins nationally.

PTxS

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Response to texshelters (Reply #103)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:05 PM

106. Absolutely!

There are really Dems who wouldn't?

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:04 PM

104. I still haven't received my free stuff

from President Obama yet, so I think I'll hold off deciding who to vote for in '16.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:05 PM

105. I'll vote for her.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:16 PM

108. vote for her of course.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:31 PM

109. Had no doubt I would vote for her in 2008.

And I didn't know who Barack Obama was. Didn't really remember his convention speech in 2004. But before the Iowa Caucuses I was already liking him a lot, and was no longer a slam dunk for Hillary. And that feeling just kept growing, much to the chagrin of my Democratic friends who had already unfailingly committed to Hillary. They all ended up voting for Obama when the primaries finally came to Florida.

If the election were held today, I would vote for Hillary. But I am open to who else may sprout up.

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On edit, I didn't closely read/reply to the question. If she is the nominee I will absolutely vote for her, and even if I wasn't going to vote for her I would never stay home. There is never only one important issue on the ballot.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:33 PM

110. IF... (n/t)

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:39 PM

111. If Clinton runs in 2016, I have no doubt she'll fail out just like in 2008.

So the question is moot, really.

I think the only real question, and one worth asking, is if she does run in 2016, how much damage will she attempt to do to the front-runner when the delegates make it apparent that she will not get the nomination.

I hope to never in my life see another Democratic candidate attempt to a) hurt another candidate as much as Mrs. Clinton attempted to hurt (then) candidate Obama and b) see a candidate so openly disregard the will of the delegates/Democratic voters.

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #111)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:55 PM

193. You speak TRUTH!!! I think she's a better person now and I will support her IF she is the nominee.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:40 PM

112. I'll stay home

I get my early ballot and fill it out at home!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:08 PM

114. I will contribute to her campaign and vote for her and urge my siblings and their children to

vote for her.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:16 PM

117. I will vote for her and work for her like I did Obama in 2008 and Kaine in 2012

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:18 PM

118. I would vote for Hillary...

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:27 PM

119. My position will likely be the same as it's was in 2008.

I supported Hillary in the primaries,but I knew all along that I would vote for the Democratic candidate in the GE.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:30 PM

121. I'm in n/t

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:50 PM

122. I always vote and I always vote for the Democrats, but....

it is unlikely she will be able to earn my vote in the primary.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #122)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:22 AM

168. Read 166 below

Unlikely, but her supporters will make an effort to get your vote . . .

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #168)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:10 PM

201. Never say never.

I am honest when I say it is unlikely she can earn my vote in the primary. The possibility exists but so does my winning the Mega Millions Jackpot, twice.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:51 PM

123. I'll vote for whoever the nominee is.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:53 PM

125. VOTE!!!!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:53 PM

126. i'll vote for the democratic nominee.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:56 PM

127. Are you shitting me?

Of course I will vote for her. Why should I do anything else. I'm a Democrat for crissakes.

I'm not Bill Clinton's biggest fan but if he ran again I would vote for him.

Maybe I would draw the line at Joe Lieberman but then again he ain't a democrat anymore.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:58 PM

128. I will vote her

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:07 PM

130. IWR won't matter the way it did in 2008

And I say that as someone who made IWR a litmus test in 2007-8. A lot of us had/have a religious objection to that vote, but there were strategic reasons for avoiding a pro-IWR candidate in 2008 (the war was an active issue then and it was preferable to run a candidate who fully opposed it against a pro-war GOP candidate) that just won't apply in 2016.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:08 PM

131. pointless mental masturbation right now

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:16 PM

132. I'll vote for someone else in the primary. If she wins that, I'll vote for her in the general. (nt)

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:31 PM

139. she is a corporatist, I would vote no or stay home.

She inspires nothing, there has to be someone better

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:02 PM

142. You're getting way too far ahead of the game

First, we have to go through the ordeal called "the Democratic Party primary season". This is DU's circular firing squad. It will be ugly.

Once we have a nominee, it gets easier.

If Hillary is the nominee, then Yes, I'll vote for her.

If she's not the nominee, then I'll vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee.

The General Election is the simple part.

The 2008 primary season was a lot of fun.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:17 PM

143. A vote for the democratic nominee in 2016 is a vote for Obama's legacy.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:22 PM

144. Voted for Hillary last time, will certainly do it again!!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:28 PM

145. I voted for Obama twice. I'll vote for Hillary in 2016. She's earned my respect. The Iraq vote...

that was a problem I had with her before. That's still not good, but she's made up for that. I'll chalk it up to naivitee, and as a woman senator, she may have felt a need to prove she's as brave as a male senator (and plenty of male senators voted for the Iraq War).

She's older and wiser. She knows when to talk and not talk. She knows when to fold 'em. She knows what to say. Would she have decided to go after OBL like Obama did? I doubt many people would have made that decision, so I don't know.

I will vote for her. AND we'll have a pretty good First Man.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:33 PM

147. Of course I'll vote for her.

During the 2008 primary wars on DU, I was one of the big Hillary bashers.

But guess what. The primaries are over. She's proven to be damned capable as Secretary of State, and if she wants to run for President, I'd be more than happy to vote for her.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:35 PM

148. Anyone who won't support her (if she is picked) is Pizza

Why even wonder?

If she is the Dem of course I'll support her.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:35 PM

149. I will vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who it is...

Fuck the repukes and the mindless zombies who go out and vote for them in every election no matter what, we can't let them win!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:43 PM

151. She was my first choice in 2004. Still, I'll wait till 2016

Because as much as I like her, there may be a better candidate in 2016.


You never know...

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:43 PM

152. She won't run.

But that said, absofuckinglutly I would vote for her.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:46 PM

153. Y'know, it's not really cool to do an OP that basically dares people to commit a TOS violation.

If you support HRC, wouldn't it have been far more helpful to her chances for you to actually make a case for nominating her?

Why provoke people about this NOW?

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:50 PM

154. Of course I'll vote for her

IF I have no other choice. Any Republican qualifies as No Other Choice.

But I'd rather have another choice, a true progressive...

Warren/Grayson 2016!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:57 PM

155. I just voted for my President

2016 is a long way away and much can happen. IF Hillary ran, and she was the best candidate, then she would have my vote.

Much can and will happen in the next 4 years- this presidency is going to be interesting, judging by how it has started off! I love watching bad ass President O kicking some GOP butt!

Annette

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:00 PM

156. I will vote for the democratic candidate.

Living in a state run by repugnicans is bad enough, let alone a country run by them.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:07 PM

158. Elizabeth Warren for president 2016!

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Response to B Calm (Reply #158)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:57 AM

165. That is my dream candidate

and it is 2016 or never for Elizabeth Warren she will be 67 years old

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Response to krawhitham (Reply #165)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:34 PM

188. I never dreamed she was 63, she looks

pretty good. But, then I'm 62 so of course she looks good!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:19 PM

159. I voted for her in my state's primary in 2008. I would vote for her for president.

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #159)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:52 AM

180. Why? Warren hasn't actually done anything nor even entered her job she was hired for 6 years for

 

AND SHE HAS NEVER BEEN VETTED NATIONALLY. Who the hell knows whats in her closet or any other non-nationally vetted candidate.
Only Biden and Hillary have been vetted.

she talks good
but then so did Dennis kucinich, but almost nothing he ever suggested ever became law, nor can a one issue candidate win as proven by nice guys like George McGovern or Eugene McCarthy and Mike Dukakis and the others

(and don't forget the fraud on the other side talked and was in office for 25 years and did diddley squat on the same issue. If he actually wanted to do something, why didn't he?
But he talked a good game too that Ron Paul fraud).

We don't want another Dukakis, though he is a super great guy and I would love to disuss politics with him for 100 years

but the public did not agree with any of the above being president, and a Bush destroyed Dukakis, a big liberal from Mass in one of the biggest landslides of all time.

and Mass. has a dismal record in recent years on all sides for having a losing candidate
(by losing I mean the person running never appeared on "the placemat of presidents"
(not interested in any theft meme here.)

My heart was broken in 1968 when directly because of democrats, LBJ was forced to not run, and for what? kennedy was killed and so obviously were the dems chances in 1968, whereas LBJ would have won, he was the singular most liberal president up to that point ever, and it set goals back for decades, giving us nixon,ford, reagan, bush, bush and the possiblity of Jeb

RFK would not have run and died but for McCarthy, and he then would have been alive in 72 and 76
(though truth be told - LBJ was far more liberal than RFK anyhow on any and all social issues.

Have no fear though, she is not running. Hillary has it in the bag, and this thread btw
is about Hillary.

and Liz is not even the #1 person from Mass- Deval Patrick would be
all of the ones who won't be in office in 2016 are running for vp

the others should remain in their seats so that the repubs don't steal them

2016 is way different than 2008.

I would think anyone who would not vote for the democratic candidate if it is Hillary in2016 would be going against what this board stands for in its terms.

imho (except for the last line which is in the terms of this board).

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:33 PM

160. Yes the Hillary 2016 band is playing

As they have been since 2008, actually 2004 when the Clintons gladly let Kerry get swift boated. Granted, they did make amends in 2012, but let's face it, for all her overtures to friends like John McCain, Hill and Bill know the GOP still would love to ensure they die in prison, if not on a Gallows.

Yes, if she wins the Primary, I will vote for her.
Yes, she is a strong candidate

and this time, there are many people I would gladly love to see her roll over on the way to the nomination, such as Cory Booker and Rahm Emmanuel.

HOWEVER...IF she wants ENTHUSIASM..

She cannot run like she did in 2008, if she wants the support of the left, she cannot try to lean far right, as she tends to do. I will want to her her say and show that she is NOT the same person that ran in 2008, period. That means protect SS and medicare, that means paring down on WARS!

Frankly, the fact that some diplomats got killed in Libya is not what bothers me as much that, as we were stuck in two wars, we got involved with a third in Libya, nearly a fourth in Egypt, and may still be in a sixth in Syria. And while I do not trust Hamas,Hillary runs our Mid East policy as if she answers to Bibi Netanyahu, and that WILL stop!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:30 AM

162. Hill's a shoo in..

Of course I'll vote for her. no matter how she voted 10 yrs ago. She was new in the Senate, swept away with it all, and yes naive. She could not bring herself to believe the Bush/Cheney cabal would lie about such a thing. She had to take that seriously. Now me, sitting out here in the hinterlands? Hahaha...you bet your sweet bippy I knew it was all a lie. Even when Saint Colin sat there at the UN waving that little vial of Anthrax or explosive (confectioners sugar) around, while everyone around him held their effing breath for fear he was going to drop it and blow them all to kingdom come right there at the General Assembly.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:49 AM

163. Against in the primary and for her in the General if she makes it that far, but I hope she does not

Joe will be the nominee, he will have the support of labor and Obama's ground team

I have never liked a democratic candidate less that HRC. I will not be knocking on doors for her or donating money like I have for every candidate since Carter


I do not think she can win without the labor vote and most of them will not vote for her, PERIOD. Her Walmart ties does her in

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:54 AM

164. A 69 year old anti-union Goldwater girl DINO can not win a general election

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:15 AM

166. mgraz or something like that and the MI primary

Can't remember the author's exact name. I saved it in a journal (old DU) and even printed it (lost) - it was a pre-2008 primary election post describing everything that Clinton has ever been involved in, and mentions her vote for the war and several other things.

I was interested in that post because I was sort of backing VP Biden. I thought Obama was a hopeless choice because he was (cough, cough) black...(at this point I admit I loved Obama when he won the nomination, and have donated to him (teeney-weeny amounts). I still love him.

But things went crazy here in Michigan in early 2008. The people in power decided to change our primary voting date from August to a week or so after Iowa's primary, well, maybe not a week or so, but a short time anyhow, maybe on or before SUper Tuesday...

Anyhow, the DNC or somebody else in power said MI can't do that and the votes that the candidates garnered could NOT be use in electing the candidate at the convention. So, sensibly, Biden, Edwards, and few others removed their name from the ballot. Clinton kept hers on with one other candidate, can't even remember whom.

Anyway, when Convention time came, Clinton and her mighty forces fought like hell to get her votes counted because there were a good many - naturally, because the other candidates didn't bother to campaign to get the votes in an illegal primary. Michigan was angry with her, maybe except for HER supporters because a lot of us just plain liked other candidates better...and thought the whole thing was an outrage and just plain unfair and unethical...

I am a democrat and would rather vote for Biden (still) but will always vote Dem..

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #166)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:08 PM

200. The one time in my life I voted "Uncommitted"


This was all a ploy for her and I saw it coming a mile away.

The same in FL.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #200)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 06:38 PM

209. I voted "uncommitted" too

because I didn't think it counted anyway..

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #209)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:32 AM

219. Mine was an anti-Clinton vote

I knew she was going to pull that shit. I wanted there to be a chance that she couldn't steal our Representatives.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:26 AM

169. If she is the nominee in 2016, yes I will vote for her. Personally,

it would be a neat thing for me considering I once co-hosted Gov and Mrs Clinton for dinner and a discussion - not much I know but my little brush with history before they were famous. That was 30 years ago and I've been a fan of both ever since.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:54 AM

171. Is this really a question? Of COURSE I would vote for her.

I voted for Kerry, too, and he voted for the IWR. And that was while the stupid thing was still going strong.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:08 AM

172. I've never been a huge fan of Hilliary's, that said, I think she has been an awesome SOS and

It depends on who else is running. I would vote for her, because she is very capable IMO.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 06:13 AM

174. Of course I'd vote for her

And I would not have a problem with it at all. Those things that you mentioned are things that might hurt in the primaries, along with other things. She's got a record and she's fought and lost one bloody primary battle. That's got to produce some ammunition. And this far out I have no idea who I'd support in the primaries, but the general....no question at all. Would vote for her and support her with passion, too.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:06 AM

176. If Hillary were the Democratic nominee yes I would absolutely vote for her

 

But in the primaries? I cannot say at this time. I'd have to know who was running against her.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:18 AM

177. Yes, if we're stuck with her

just like the Repukes were stuck with Mittens this year.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:35 AM

179. vote 4 her

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:33 AM

182. I'm not a fan of HRC..

.... and her dog-whistle racist campaign against Obama really opened my eyes to how low she would go - but it's unlikely that the Republican offering won't be 10 times worse so i will vote for her.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:45 AM

185. I always vote for the Democrat.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:21 AM

186. I will vote for her in the general election. I do not know if I will yet in the primaries.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:50 PM

190. 2016

I will support someone else In primarys(If Biden runs I will support him.If he doesn't I am neutrel till I see who runs In primarys) and
vote for her In general election If she Is nominee.

We could have a CLinton(Hillary) VS a Bush(Jeb) again In 2016.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:54 PM

191. Not to vote for her would be like cutting my foot off because my toe hurts.

I'm not that stupid.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:55 PM

192. I refuse to play the 2016 nomination game for a couple more years.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:23 PM

195. man that's four years away.

i don't want to be thinking about that. too much else to do.

we all need to be NOT staying home for all of the elections between now and then, though.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:25 PM

196. Any DU who suggests staying at home should hang their head in shame!!!

There I said it so go ahead and flame me. Kerry was like my 5th choice in 2004 and at no point did I support OBama in the 2008 primaries. And yet for both candidates I very actively supported their elections and knocked on alot of doors for both candidates during the general election.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:33 PM

199. strange

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:11 PM

202. Of course I would.

I'd work to get her elected as I would most Dem candidates.

Julie

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:11 PM

203. Will worry about it

In mid 2015. I'm too busy trying to make sure Obama has a successful second term.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:16 PM

204. Is this really a question?

And are we really going to have an argument about it in 2012?

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:21 PM

205. I would gladly vote for her

But I won't judge others who support a different Democrat for president. I would prefer to elevate my candidate with arguments for rather than by tearing down others with arguments against. See how well the Republicans fared by running Romney by virtue of not being Obama.

Plus, no force in the universe would ever allow Santorum or Gingrich anywhere near the Oval Office.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:23 PM

206. Hells's Bells. It's cold outside,

I am already sick of the Christmas music. One consolation in this time period is that the election ads are OVER. Can we give it a rest, for like maybe three years?

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #206)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 03:44 AM

229. Or at least 3 months.

First DU thread I've trashed since the election.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:28 PM

208. I would happily vote for her

If she's the nominee I will certainly support her!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:23 PM

211. Of course I'll vote for her.

Consider the alternative. And I'm a Democrat too.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:47 PM

213. I'll cross that bridge when we get there....

Hillary hasn't even announced she's running. For now I'm supporting our current president and still celebrating his victory.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:50 PM

216. Of course I would vote for her

in the general election if she gets the nomination. I hope she doesn't get the nomination though.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:29 PM

217. If she is the General Election candidate

then HELL YES, I will vote for her. The only thing I worry about will be her age. She is now a seasoned politician in her own right. She has strong foreign policy experience, s he also has strong executive experience from running the State Department. She is respected around the world and to some extent feared. The only blemish on her political career is that she lost to Obama in 2008 because she didn't take him seriously until too late (which is one of the reasons I supported Obama early on), she assumed the nomination was hers, I doubt she would make that mistake again. If she runs, she will do whatever it takes to defeat whichever Teapublican bastard they set against her. She will take no prisoner's, she will kick ass, and I think she would be a very effective President.

I say this as a 62 year old white married male who supported Obama wholeheartedly in '08 and '12.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:31 PM

218. don't forget Pro NAFTA too


With friends like these...


pass
I'm a Democrat.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:50 AM

222. No-brainer

Not voting is not an option for me. People died, literally died, so I could vote. Hell, I live in one of the reddest states but vote in every election...it's pretty much a symbolic vote, but I still do it.

I'm to the left of Hillary politically, but I admire her and think she's done a fantastic job as Secretary of State. Risk a President Santorum? Like I said, this should be a no-brainer.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:52 AM

223. She worked at the Rose law firm which represented Monsanto. I will never vote for Hillary as such.

 

Presidents have already appointed Monsanto personnel and lawyers to the supreme court and FDA. ENOUGH CORPORATE BULLSHIT!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 02:31 AM

224. She's a pro-war, racist authoritarian

I joined the Democratic Party to get away from politicians like her.

I'd never vote for her.

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Response to cpwm17 (Reply #224)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 02:47 AM

225. Even if the Repubican candidate is worse?

I can't say I'm a big fan of Hillary, but she will be better than whoever the Republicans nominate. The lesser evil is the logical choice. You should also consider the balance of the Supreme Court.

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Response to cpwm17 (Reply #224)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:39 AM

238. I mostly agree with your assessment, its why I'd oppose her in the Primaries.

But if she were to win the nomination of the Party then I would vote for her for President. I would do all in my power to make sure she was not the nominee though. Oh, on that 'mostly' in the title, I do not see any evidence that she is a racist. Pro-war authoritarian I'd agree with in a heartbeat, but not racist. But even as I write that I hold in my mind that she, like myself, is white, and all white americans are racists if they admit it or not.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 02:51 AM

226. Can I borrow some flypaper?

If you have any left that is...

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 02:56 AM

227. Both. Washington is all vote by mail, so I can vote for her, and stay home on Election Night! <bseg>

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 03:35 AM

228. I wish I could lock threads. She's not running for POTUS in 2016. nt

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 04:14 AM

230. Hilliary? shes got my vote!

better believe it! SIGN ME UP FOR HER CAMPAIGN NOW

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Response to asktheteach1 (Reply #230)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 05:09 PM

242. Me too, and Welcome to DU!

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 04:18 AM

231. It depends upon how insane he republican candidate is and if I still live in a swing state.

 

If she is the nominee and there is any option, I would probably vote third party. She is slime.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 04:44 AM

233. As a woman, I'm offended that some here would not support the most qualified female candidate ever.

It still stings when I think of how Hillary was treated by many here and in the media (Olbermann, etc.) Just goes to show that it's an old boys club even in the Dem Party. Black men had the right to vote way before women did - there is no coincidence there.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 05:25 AM

234. I'll vote for the nominee but don't think it should be her and won't support her in the primaries.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:43 AM

235. I hope the Democrats will run a progressive as their nominee in 2016. However,in the general election

I will support one of the two candidates who are most likely to win the Presidency - I will support the one who is the most progressive - or at least the least reactionary of of the two and the one who is less likely to support more imperial wars.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:32 AM

236. she`s not going to run.

i would`t vote for her in the primary because she will be to old to do the job.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:34 AM

237. First off she won't run, but if she did I'd oppose her in the Primaries but vote for the Nominee

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Response to 1-Old-Man (Reply #237)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:46 AM

240. That's fair, and that's how it should work

I think she might run. I'd put it at 50/50. Bill went and laid the foundation for her by campaigning for Obama. However, I think after 4 years of being SoS, she'd like to sleep for a year to a year and a half and think about it in 2014.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:43 AM

239. Hell yes I'll vote for Hillary

Hillary Clinton/Al Gore. That's what I want.

It won't be Santorum or Gingrich she'll be facing, though. It'll be Jeb, or Chris Christie, or Bobby Jindal, or Bob McDonnell.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:25 PM

245. Why are we talking about 2016 when we barely finished this election??

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:28 PM

246. No.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:23 PM

248. You really want to start this circular war NOW?

Good god. Give us a few years before we have to deal with the loyalty oath attack dogs again. It's only been a month, for god's sake.

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Response to Bake (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:46 PM

249. I would definitely vote for Hillary....

I voted for her in the Primary against President Obama.

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