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Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:50 AM

After creationism bill failed, Indiana senator will push 'truth in education' measure

Source: Indianapolis Star

Sen. Dennis Kruse, who tried and failed in the last legislative session to let schools teach creationism along with evolution, said Tuesday he’s trying a new approach: Requiring teachers to provide evidence if students challenge their science lessons.

Kruse, an Auburn Republican who is chairman of the Senate Education and Career Development Committee, said he will dub it “truth in education.”

“If a student thinks something isn’t true, then they can question the teacher and the teacher would have to come up with some kind of research to support that what they are teaching is true or not true.”

... “This one’s fairly new,” said Gerry Wheeler, executive director of the National Science Teachers Association. “This is a creative new evolution that the creationists are going to.”

Read more: http://www.indystar.com/article/20121204/NEWS05/212040324/After-creationism-bill-failed-Indiana-senator-will-push-truth-education-measure?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com

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Reply After creationism bill failed, Indiana senator will push 'truth in education' measure (Original post)
Newsjock Dec 2012 OP
TrogL Dec 2012 #1
Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #3
TrogL Dec 2012 #7
Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #8
Old Codger Dec 2012 #2
Chan790 Dec 2012 #4
MrYikes Dec 2012 #5
DetlefK Dec 2012 #6

Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:10 AM

1. Prove 1+1=2 in less than 378 pages

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Response to TrogL (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:20 AM

3. What if the student 'believes' that Pi = 3?

Will he get to question the 'beliefs' of the teacher?

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:46 AM

7. That actually came up

...in a debate I was having over same-sex marriage.

Someone claimed that faith in a deity is equivalent to faith in imaginary numbers such as root of 1.

I countered with pi * 10 = 30 in Kings, then dragged out a measuring tape and used it on a circular garbage can, deriving a value of 3.1-and-a-bit.

I couldn't remember the mathematical proof, but I could certainly disprove a value of 3.0 on observation of reality.

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Response to TrogL (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:13 AM

8. Your tape measure is a Tool Of Teh Debbil.

It must be burned at the stake.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:12 AM

2. It is happening all over

The inmates are running the asylum

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:22 AM

4. Who thinks Kruse will the first person ranting...

when somewhere down the road after that shithead gets his way and gets creationism on the agenda, some educated 5th grader forces a science teacher who of-course doesn't believe in creationism to provide proof of creationism.

"I'm sorry. I have no proof because creationism is a lie, Dani."

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:17 AM

5. One nation under god,

excuse me teacher, please prove that.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:06 AM

6. Exactly the other way round makes WAY more sense (and leads to the scientific method).

teacher: "It happened because of A."
student: "I don't believe that."
teacher: "Well, what could be the answer, if not A?"
student: "I've heard it's B."
teacher: "How could you find out, whether A or B is correct?"
...

It's the opposite of indoctrination.
It's the opposite of belief.
It's skeptical thinking.
It's doubt.
It's getting out of your comfort-zone and doing some research and reasoning.

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