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Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:01 PM

So the "rebels" in Syria get a pass on killing 28 school children?

Are we still supporting terrorists?

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Reply So the "rebels" in Syria get a pass on killing 28 school children? (Original post)
kelliekat44 Dec 2012 OP
Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #1
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #2
jberryhill Dec 2012 #3
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #6
jberryhill Dec 2012 #7
Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #13
jberryhill Dec 2012 #4
leveymg Dec 2012 #8
jberryhill Dec 2012 #9
leveymg Dec 2012 #10
jberryhill Dec 2012 #11
leveymg Dec 2012 #12
riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #14
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #17
Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #20
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #23
tabasco Dec 2012 #30
Chan790 Dec 2012 #5
riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #15
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #18
Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #21
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #24
riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #25
frylock Dec 2012 #28
sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #16
eissa Dec 2012 #19
leftstreet Dec 2012 #22
woo me with science Dec 2012 #26
riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #27
polly7 Dec 2012 #29

Response to kelliekat44 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:12 PM

1. I hope not. But I wouldn't be surprised.

It's sorta 'what we do'.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:13 PM

2. Link?

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:17 PM

3. Report on Syrian state television

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9721542/Syria-28-students-killed-in-rebel-attack-on-Damascus-school.html


Reuters news agency quoted Syrian state media as saying 29 people had died in the attack.

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"They were killed by a mortar launched by terrorists," said Syrian state television

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Syriasly?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:55 PM

6. Yeah, that's journalism gold standard.

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:59 PM

7. They reported a 100% accuracy rate in a study of their reportin

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:29 PM

13. The New York Times version:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/05/world/middleeast/assad-syria-conflict-updates.html?_r=0

The state news agency, SANA, reported that 10 people at the school, 9 students and a teacher, were killed by a mortar shell fired by “terrorists,” its term for its opponents, in Bteeha, a small town north of Damascus on the road to the central city of Homs. Antigovernment activist groups confirmed the attack, but put the death toll at nine. The road to Homs and on to the commercial hub of Aleppo has been strongly contested in recent fighting.

The Local Coordination Committees, a network of rebel groups, reported the mortar attack without comment, implying that it was carried out by the government. But an activist reached in Damascus said it was unclear who had fired the shell. Recent bombs and mortar attacks by rebels that have killed civilians have angered both supporters and opponents of the government, as even some who support the rebels express concern that the violence has spiraled out of control.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:18 PM

4. You've got one hell of a nerve...

...quoting a report from Syrian state television with no source attribution.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:42 AM

8. Why not? Some post opposition Twitter feeds here.

Last edited Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:08 AM - Edit history (1)

There is no reliable news from Syria. You should know that by now.

Exercise your own discretion.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:26 AM

9. You fail to quote grasp the OP


The OP seems to draw a conclusion from this report, without identifying the source of it. The OP goes on to make an accusation based upon the report.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:57 AM

10. The facts asserted are clear enough. You just don't like the sourcing.

On this topic, all's fair in unattributed sourcing. We can thank Tabatha and a few of the other opposition boosters here for that by their reposting of unverified (and unverifiable) Twitter and YouTube links.

Plus, it may be valuable to hear from the hated regime side's point of view for a change. Cue Darth Vader theme.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:49 AM

11. How is what someone posts elswhere relevant to this thread?


"Other people do it, so that makes it okay"

Is that your standard?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:59 AM

12. Standards have fallen since propaganda for regime change operations came here.

I am merely remarking that since it's manifestly okay for one side to post un(der)sourced material, the same applies to the other sides.

That does not apply to everyone, as some of us still have some standards, while others are more selective in how they want to apply them. Kapich?

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Response to leveymg (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:36 PM

14. I heard this reported on NPR. Someone else posted a NYTimes link...

While the OP could and should have included a link, this isn't obscure news as some want to believe.

Taking issue with the story just because its missing a link has become something of a DU sport lately... to our detriment.

Your point that in war zones its hard to get sourced info is relevant, and I agree.

So you have to be careful in posting and making assumptions but in this case, the story has already received so much widespread coverage, I'm guessing the OP simply assumed everyone knew what was going on.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:00 PM

17. What the OP did was a tad more than reporting what a source said.

 

So the "rebels" in Syria get a pass on killing 28 school children?

Are we still supporting terrorists?


Unlike leftists, I don't claim one side is fighting the good fight and the other side is pure evil.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:36 PM

20. Unlike leftists? Nice gratuitous slur.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:42 PM

23. How is calling it as I see it a slur?

 

If I had said something about Republicans you wouldn't take offence and call it a slur.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:47 PM

30. There are several different groups fighting the government in Syria

Yet, you lump them all together.

In fact, you demonstrate binary thinking and then claim otherwise

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Response to kelliekat44 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:23 PM

5. Picking the good faction in the Syrian civil war is a futility.

It's like choosing the right side in Afghanistan. 5 factions vying for authority at the outbreak of US/NATO hostilities following 9/11. 5 factions that resorted to terrorism, 4 factions that were involved in the heroin trade...and the 5th one was the Taliban.

I can't support the rebels...but the best interests of all the Syrian people are represented by Assad leaving power.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:37 PM

15. Yup. That's probably the case in virtually ALL of the Arab Spring "revolutions"

but that point hasn't stopped a lot of ignorant cheerleading.



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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:06 PM

18. So the people of the Middle East are better off living under brutal dictators...

 

Like I've said for many years, leftists are not liberals. They're authoritarians.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:37 PM

21. Your saying something for many years doesn't make it true.

As much as it may comfort you. I hope you worry as much about rightists.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:44 PM

24. I do.

 

It's just that I think the far right and the far left have a lot in common.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:22 PM

25. Never said that OR implied that.

It is however an indisputable fact that outside intervention, especially by the west to shape, implement, destroy and/or manipulate the "revolutions" (sic) is ongoing.

It also doesn't do "leftists" (whatever the hell that means), to stick our heads in the sand and pretend that the geopolitical transnational bad actors like those who signed the PNAC agreement, aren't meddling. Why they are there, who they are arming, what natural resources are they looking to exploit, which global corporations are behind the moves, and how does that affect ALL of us and our global relationships...

Anyway, please carry on labeling all of us as authoritarians who prefer to be clear-eyed.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:45 PM

28. So the people of the Middle East are better off living under brutal dictators...

we'll find out in another 20 years, won't we? lather, rinse, repeat.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:42 PM

16. Syria is on the list for regime change. One of the PNAC's seven countries.

The 'rebels' whoever they are, are amazingly well armed, just as the Lybian 'rebels' were. Photos taken by journalists showing not-so-complimentary behavior by the 'rebels' have been censored by Al Jazeera which has caused several of its journalists to quit stating that their coverage of Syria and Libya was extremely biased.

Since Al Jazeera built up such trust over the past number of years, people did notice the bias and with the Wikileaks revelations that an Al Jazeera chief had met with US Intelligence and agreed to withhold photos taken during the Iraq War, they have pretty much fallen into the same category as our own media. The Al Jazeera exec stepped down as a result of those revelations.

Qatar, it has been said, to have had troops in both Libya and Syria so the legitimacy of these two 'revolutions' has been seriously questioned.

This is by far not the first report of atrocities by the 'rebels'.

I personally believe from all the reports I have read that both Libya and Syria are the result of outside interference.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:21 PM

19. Best comment in this thread so far

The rebels are no better than the Syrian military; both are thugs with little regard for the civilians they wish to control. Not surprising about AlJazeera, given they are under the control of the Qatari government who (along with the Saudis) heavily support the rebels. The Syrian regime has been a thorn in the eyes of the more fundamentalist Saudi and Gulf countries because it's ruled by the "heretic" Alawis. They can't stand the fact that a minority group is ruling over a predominantly Sunni Muslim nation. This is not a defense of the Syrian regime. However, the picture painted by most western media of a "pro-democracy" uprising couldn't be further from the truth. The Syrian people are simply going to see a brutal, secular dictator replaced by an equally brutal Islamist theocracy.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:40 PM

22. +1 That 'axis of evil' sure keeps getting bigger n/t

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:23 PM

26. Thank you.

Have we had enough yet, America?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:38 PM

27. Also its a fact that Iran and Saudi Arabia have been major players for religious sectarian reasons

PLUS there's the tribal conflicts that have been a perpetual issue in the region since well, forever.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:47 PM

29. This. Thanks sabrina. nt.

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