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Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:29 PM

Why America Is Severely Broken




The story behind the mugshot: http://www.katv.com/story/15688273/alice-walton-arrested-for-dui-in-texas

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Reply Why America Is Severely Broken (Original post)
MrScorpio Dec 2012 OP
Capt.Rocky300 Dec 2012 #1
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #2
Capt.Rocky300 Dec 2012 #3
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #12
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #5
99Forever Dec 2012 #4
sheshe2 Dec 2012 #6
Democratopia Dec 2012 #7
Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #14
Jamaal510 Dec 2012 #8
Skittles Dec 2012 #9
defacto7 Dec 2012 #10
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #11
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #13
Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #15
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #17
Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #18
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #19
Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #21
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #22
Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #23
ChachaCha Dec 2012 #16
bvar22 Dec 2012 #20

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:37 PM

1. This boozer stuck her nose........

into our Charter School ballot initiative here in Washington. As far as I know, she is a resident of Arkansas. So why is she promoting her agenda (and, unfortunately it passed) here in the State of Washington?

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Response to Capt.Rocky300 (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:41 PM

2. same reason she's sticking her nose into education everywhere else in the country: $$$$$$

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:14 PM

3. Didn't know she was doing that. Thanks.

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Response to Capt.Rocky300 (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:20 AM

12. all the waltons are. the waltons' foundations have a big share in funding the whole

 

education deform agenda. they, gates and broad are the biggest.

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Response to Capt.Rocky300 (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:42 PM

5. To harvest public assets.

 

The super-rich are dedicated to increasing their own wealth.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:21 PM

4. It will continue.

As long as we allow it to happen.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:50 PM

6. These People...

bloodsucking leeches one and all.They are the 47% that Rmoney was really talking about. They suck off the governments tit...reaping wealth...while bleeding their workers dry. They disgust me!

Media reports say Walton was also involved in a 1989 crash that resulted in the death of a 50-year-old woman. No charges were filed in that case.


Oh no surprise here. No charges filed. It was probably a Walmart worker she ran over...no great loss. They can be replaced! They are a dime a dozen!

Money can't buy you love honey! That is apparent in your mug shot!

You are a disgrace to society and a Bitch to boot!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:59 PM

7. My REPUBLICAN father in-law does not see a problem at all.

 

Overheard him complaining about those who attack Walmart and told him that tax payers were paying for Walmart workers to have healthcare and food stamps.

This is what I learned:

Walmart is the one of the best companies in America.
(I agreed with him, if profit is more important than human suffering)
Walmart does not cause anyone to suffer.
There is nobody who produces goods for Walmart in sweatshop conditions.
It would go out of business if it had to pay workers more money.
Walmart employs lots of uneducated people.
They probably couldn't get a job elsewhere.
Europe with 25% unemployment shows what socialism does to a country.
There isn't a nation in the world as successful as America
The unions would ruin Walmart.

To put it in context: Things I had previously learned from him:

Nobody in America suffers without healthcare.
If anyone is ill they can always go to the emergency rooms.
WMD were found in Iraq.
Obama is going to ban guns.
Obama is going to build concentration camps for dissenters.
I should watch Fox News to really understand what is happening.
I denigrated the troops by criticizing the Bush foreign policy
I haven't got a clue.
I don't know anything.

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Response to Democratopia (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:48 AM

14. Good luck with that. I have pretty much disowned all my RW relatives. I just cannot have that

mentality in my life.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:14 AM

8. America will stay broken as long as

we have almost half of the electorate believing that corporate welfare is okay, but welfare for the poor isn't.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:14 AM

9. why can't she create a job by hiring a driver?

fucking arrogance

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:15 AM

10. Isn't that the truth...

There is no job creation in this scam of a tax setup. The trite trickle down thing is obsolete thinking. It never worked, it never will. It was an experiment that has finally shown that it's outcome is to put the US back into the same situation we broke away from in 1776.

It's not only the uneducated in America that can be duped, the rich and powerful can be duped as as well to think that their affluence is of value to the public. It breeds greed, creates social divisions and festers apathy. It's just wet dream.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:30 AM

11. She is not the problem. The people who think they can "ask" are. Until they an

put aside their differences, join together, and demand, nothing of any significance will happen.

So, yeah, it's not only too much to ask, it's an action born of ignorance. She has zero motivation to act any anything but what she perceives as her own best interest.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:21 AM

13. yes. people need to stop crediting these people with good intentions -- they have none.

 

and people need to stop 'asking' them to be nice & instead start telling them we won't stand for it.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:51 AM

15. The way you describe her sounds like a problem to me. Yes, people need to address the problem, but

Boozy-Behind-the-Wheel and her greedy family are definitely a problem.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:03 AM

17. It's so much easier to point at someone else than it is to take responsiblity.


She is nothing without the baskets of money people bring her. She could do nothing if people would stop, she would have no power at all, wouldn't even make the news.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:29 AM

18. If you were to say "take action" if would make more sense. The way I see it, the Waltons are

responsible for their own greed and for the mistreatment of their employees. No one else need take responsibly for the Waltons' actions. Even if they were brought up by wolves, or selfish capitalists, and didn't initially know what they were doing was harmful, they've heard from enough activists that they've known for a while now.

People need to "point at" a problem before they can take action to solve it. Then they have to figure out what action to take. Why are you so down on average people who don't know how to solve the problem rather than the The Waltons, who, again, see that big picture just fine and have all the resources in they need to figure out how they can not be total dicks and still be freaking millionaires. Most other people are busy trying to make it day to day and don't see the big picture and so what to do is not so obvious. Those would be the employees.

As for the ones bringing the "baskets of money." No one customer is doing that, so once again, they don't see the big picture, the whole basket. I'd bet most Americans have no idea who owns Walmart and how incredibly wealthy they are or how poorly they treat their employees. And, of course, some don't care.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:17 AM

19. Go ahead and get rid of the Waltons, you will get run over in the stampede to

be the next ones. If you are successful in disposing of them, you better duck cause the next ones are already incoming.

Greedy bastards have been with us since time started, and they always will be. If one waits for them to become generous, or even thinks that people can make them be that way, one will die a disappointed fool. The ONLY time tyrants have ever been stopped is when enough people either stopped supporting them or stopped them in more permanent ways. A really good history class would have taught that, but perhaps it was only offered at 8:00 am. That would explain what I read above.

Nobody is excusing the Waltons. But it's a waste of time to do anything but educate the people, because they are the only ones who can change it. Of course they are bastards, whether it is the Waltons, the private equity firms, the paid-for politicians, the greedy bastards at the investment banks or all the people they pay to do their bidding or all the people who make it possible by paying their bills - they are merely an obstruction to freedom, unimportant and irrelevant to the solution.

Just an aside - who do you think treats the customers better? Walmart, or the activist who rails against them for shopping there? The activist who had nothing but criticism for the shopper in a community where 50% of the families qualify for free or reduced price lunches because they live at the federal poverty level for income? Who do you think that shopper will trust, the person who smiles at them at the register or the one who frowns and stares because they went in? Maybe the so-called activist needs to believe in people more, maybe that's why they seem so ineffective, as if they are more annoying than powerful. Perhaps organizers and activists need to trust the people to do the right thing, if and when the activist ever does an adequate job of educating them to help themselves.

Maybe the IWW will figure out a place in this decade. They knew how to put their arms around a sister or a brother, because they had a vision of two against ALL the tyrants. Then 4, then a million.,then ten million. That's when you see real power.

I was reading about the Triangle Shirtwaist protests, the thing that put them in the news a year before the fire. A gal said she saw the demonstrations going on, but wasn't sure, until some women marching by smiled, and said "C'mon and join us honey". (Walmart has price rollbacks and shiny, cheerful places, clean - what do I see outside? Cold concrete, rain, no food, and criticism. I can't hardly guess who is gonna win this...).

The post above seems to infer that people are weak. Why would it say they don't have the resources? Is it to infer people are stupid, without brains? That the Walt-gods are so much more mighty and fearsome and all-knowing? The Walt-scrubs wouldn't even make the newspapers (except for perhaps the police blotter) if it wasn't for these people putting them, and thousands of others, on their marble pedestal by bringing them the cash.

I just watched them put up a Walmart here. All they brought was the building and the imports. Yet now there is an armored truck pulling up every day to get rid of their money. And here you are correct. Not one, but by hundreds, thousands of people, driving in and out of their parking lot. The Walton$ didn't bring a dime of that, and without the money they wouldn't be there. You should make a note here: NO GREEDY BASTARD HAS THE MOTIVATION TO STOP AS LONG AS PEOPLE ARE BRINGING THEM MONEY.

The Waltons might PREFER that people focus on them and their business practices, because people who do that are at most annoyances, no real threat. Hell, I bet they would give you free rocks to throw at their building if you would JUST NOT ORGANIZE people. The people who, (with a lot of documented history to back this up), are the only ones who have EVER had the power to change this. Whether Nonviolently, withdrawing their support of the tyrant, or with the guillotine, it takes enough people that their demands can't be ignored, only granted.

Is there even one example of a greedy bastard suddenly becoming an advocate of fair play? 'Cause I can't find it, certainly not among the thousands and thousands who never will. There are greedy bastards everywhere, and the moment you focus on one another one slithers up behind you. You need to focus on helping brothers and sisters understand the danger and the need to watch for these serpents.

You are correct, the people are too busy to figure this out. But I hope, hope, hope you aren't waiting for the people them to do it on their own, while people are wasting their time railing about the dicks at Walmart. Because the people will never figure it out on their own. They never have, never will, not without organizers, (maybe YOU?), organizers that have a vision beyond their own narrow organization, telling them the story of the life they could stand up and claim for themselve. Getting beaten down while telling it, then telling them again. Until they listen or you die. (But at least YOU die free )

But you're not the first to make those mistakes in battle. Then again, it's a lot safer to rail against Walmart than teach people.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:26 PM

21. I don't disagree with your points about labor unions and organizing,

but neither your initial post to the OP, nor your initial post to me, clearly expressed any of them. So often on DU those who are most informed on an issue manage to put off others rather then help them understand an issue further, so maybe "activists" don't know how to educate people.

I was, by the way not aware of anti-Walmart activists using "frowning and staring" at customers as a technique. I was talking about their engagement with Walmart officials. I was talking about their organizing efforts.

A really good history class would have taught that, but perhaps it was only offered at 8:00 am. That would explain what I read above.
WTF? 8am? What are you talking about. And the "that" you refer to, "The ONLY time tyrants have ever been stopped is when enough people either stopped supporting them or stopped them in more permanent ways." Again, WTF? Are you suggesting that I've said that people don't need to stop them? I said the Waltons are the top greedy bastards fucking people over in this particular situation and that noting that is a fist step in addressing this particular situation.

The post above seems to infer that people are weak. Why would it say they don't have the resources? Is it to infer people are stupid, without brains?
There are many posts above. If you're referring to my post, just say so. In my post I was referring to financial resources and the support they can buy--lawyers, lawmakers, pro-Walmart propaganda, people to keep them informed of everything that affects their interests, etc. Why are you accusing me of saying people are stupid? Again, way to use the techniques you decry. I could hear you better if you'd stop "frowning and staring" at me.

NO GREEDY BASTARD HAS THE MOTIVATION TO STOP AS LONG AS PEOPLE ARE BRINGING THEM MONEY.
So, now you're blaming the, in your words, " the shopper in communit where 50% of the families qualify for free or reduced price lunches because they live at the federal poverty level for income?, who shop at Walmart because that's where they can afford to shop because they wealth of our nation had been redistributed to the top tiny percent?

But you're not the first to make those mistakes in battle. Then again, it's a lot safer to rail against Walmart than teach people.
Nice, you end by, again, using the technique you call a failing one. You don't know anything about what teaching I personally may or may not have done regarding labor unions and organizing in general, yet you continue attacking me. Not helpful, to say the least.

Now this would have been a better way to say it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021932578

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:05 PM

22. More excuses... That's enough. n/t

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:22 PM

23. You're funny.

Oh, and hidden, because I said funny because we're not supposed to call fellow DUers what you are.

Oh what the the hell, alert away. This thread shows you to be a self-righteous, elitist bully. So, go fuck yourself--unless of course you'd enjoy that.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:55 AM

16. Old Man Sam must be spinning in his grave

with the way his kids have taken over the business he started. Philosophically opposite of what he started. He still wasn't perfect but this current incarnation is completely of the devil.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:47 PM

20. The Waltons, WalMart, and other Global Corporations are doing...

...exactly what our politicians (Democrats & Republicans) have given them permission to do.

It is unbelievably naive to expect Corporations to have a conscience or morals.
They are paper creations designed for One Purpose and One Purpose ONLY,
and that purpose is to return the maximum profit possible to the investors,
and THAT is not a bad thing.

The Bad Thing happens when our politicians, elected to represent US, sell out to the Corporations,
and decide to remove "regulations" that our fathers and grandfathers fought and died for.

At one time, not so long ago, there were Unfair Competition "regulations" that prevented stores like WalMart
from moving into an area and undercutting locally owned businesses that paid living wages and benefits.

You can Hate-On The Waltons if that makes you feel good,
but if you want to correct this problem,
turn that anger on the people who are responsible for this problem,
the ones WE elect,
and DEMAND Accountability & Representation.



Sorry, Virginia,
but there is NO Invisible Hand,
and no such thing as "Free Trade" or "Free Markets".
Like other religions with invisible deities,
this new religion is a SCAM invented by The RICH to get more money for themselves,
and sold to gullible Americans by Smooth Talking Con Men.

The Graven Image on the altar

of the new Church of the Invisible Hand.


If YOU Work for a Living,
do NOT trust ANY politician who expresses a belief in "Free Trade", "Free Markets"
or an "Invisible Hand".
NONE of those things exist,
and that politician is NOT your friend.


Corporate Profits Hit Record High While Worker Wages Hit Record Low
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/12/03/1270541/corporate-profits-wages-record/?mobile=nc





You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
Solidarity99!
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