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Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:17 PM

I might be totally wrong. It feels pretty good.

Most DUers are surprised to hear that I was an early and ardent supporter of Obama's original run for President.

Don't believe it? Go check DU2, it's all there.

Obama said the right things, that he'd fight for working Americans, end the unconstitutional powers that Bush had grabbed, and so forth. I figured that the other two Democrats with a serious shot already had pretty nasty records (voting for wars, economic assault on the 99%, etc.), that they were certainly not Liberal/Progressive by any stretch of the imagination. At least Obama *might* hold fast to Democratic principles if he got into office. And if he did... his power to explain and convince are unmatched by any President since FDR. We could have someone to lead us out of the swamp.

Then he got into office.

Ouch.

As far as I'm concerned, Obama's first term started with a heroic save of the bankers, an anemic trickle-down "stimulus", and giving a pass to admitted torturers. Then he laid down on the couch and watched TV, getting up occasionally to pass some reasonable legislation on social issues, to make clever statements about needing to cut - but not slash - earned benefits (a.k.a. entitlements) and to get rolled by the Republicans on economic issues. (Actually, he'd roll himself - craziest thing to watch.) Yeah, I'm simplifying - but we're still in a depression, aren't we? But the Predator Class is doing fantastically, aren't they?

After the election, I assumed that Campaign Obama would turn back into On The Couch Obama. A few weeks ago, I predicted that that we'd have a Grand Bargain by early January that would include the same cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid that Obama proposed last year, that Elizabeth Warren would never be allowed on the banking committee, that the filibuster would remain unchanged, and so forth.

Now it seems that things may have changed. I might be wrong on Obama's post-election plans. We're not out of the woods yet, but the momentum seems to be in the right direction. If so, I'll be pretty damned happy. Other than having to pay for a fancy steak dinner for the DU member who'll win a bet we made. Ah, that'll make me happy too.

Maybe we can turn this flaming pile of manure around. Let us pray. And let's keep the pressure up! Tell your elected representatives that the Third Way is going away, and now they have to play like good Democrats.

Regards,

First-Way Manny

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Reply I might be totally wrong. It feels pretty good. (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 OP
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #1
99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #2
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #14
99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #20
babylonsister Dec 2012 #3
dae Dec 2012 #4
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #5
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #13
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #16
ibegurpard Dec 2012 #6
SidDithers Dec 2012 #7
Skittles Dec 2012 #8
4 t 4 Dec 2012 #9
Zorra Dec 2012 #10
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #11
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #12
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #15
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #18
Cresent City Kid Dec 2012 #17
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #19
JoeyT Dec 2012 #21
Hydra Dec 2012 #22
whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #23
Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #24
Oilwellian Dec 2012 #25
99Forever Dec 2012 #26

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:31 PM

1. I commented at the time that the expectations were too high for him then

Its worse now since we do not control both houses.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:35 PM

2. Full-circle Way. Makes perfect sense.

Most things don't make much sense these daze, so I really pay
attention when something rings my chimes like this does.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:09 AM

14. 190 degrees

But the dial keeps moving... A ways to go...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:55 AM

20. hmm.

First way, Second Way, Third Way --> First Way, Second Way ... etc.
feels more like a complete circle to me.

as in 360 degrees. But maybe that's just me, which is fine.

Everyone is entitled to their own experience without people
trying to talk them out of what is actually being experienced.

vive la différence

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:40 PM

3. Well, well, well. Be still my cynical heart.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:28 PM

4. I'm with ya Manny.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:31 PM

5. Heh.

Believe me, I'm watching the news like a hawk.

Grill 23: http://grill23.com/

You'll love it no matter who pays.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:07 AM

13. I'll love it more if I pay.

(Did I really write that?)

Ah, well, it's true.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:50 AM

16. Me too

For multiple reasons.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:32 PM

6. I'm liking it so far

cautiously optimistic.
Arne Duncan and the support of education "reform" (charter schools) has to go though.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:35 PM

7. DU rec..nt

Sid

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:05 PM

8. I hear you Manny

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Response to Skittles (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:49 PM

9. He learned that being" PRESIDENT" is just a job !

and he adapted. I think he has done an amazing job given all the variables. He Is "the peoples president"I bet the best you will ever see in your life time ? You can decide that yourself, but he really is in it "-For The People Mostly"- then lot's of shit got in the way! Like probably death threats and ultimatums, unforeseen possibilities and lovely things like that ! HA..... and don't think for one single second that doesn't happen every day. When he comes on the teevee I change the channel cause it's too painful to watch -go figure!!!!!! I love him and respect everything he has done, but I expect SO much more!!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:53 PM

10. I think many of us are feeling pretty much the same way.

I am working really hard every day to quell the cynicism that I have worked so hard to achieve over the years.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:31 PM

11. I was with you all the way until you said, "let us pray". Sorry but I dont pray. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:05 AM

12. Do you meditate

Per your Buddha avatar?

Om

Manny

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:17 AM

15. And OM right back at you.

I knew what you meant. Just giving you some shit, Manny. I would say I am with you all the way, but I'd prolly get PPRD.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:53 AM

18. LOL

Such is my power.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:52 AM

17. It's just a hunch

but I get the same feeling, like it will be a little different in a good way. This is just speculation, but it seems like Obama is more fearless, not because he just won an election, but because he has no more elections to lose. Unless he pulls a Howard Taft and becomes Chief Justice, this is his last stop, and his last chance to do what he got into politics to do.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:11 AM

19. K&R but the metaphor needs work. How does one turn a flaming pile of manure?

 



Here's to both of us being totally wrong, should that happen.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:01 AM

21. Kick and rec.

I was highly critical of the first term, but so far my predictions for the second term have all been wrong too. I'm happy to have been wrong about Senator Warren, and happy to have been wrong about the Grand Bargain too.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:44 PM

22. We can only hope his love affair with Bushco and Wall St. is over

We'll have to see where the boat goes, but if it goes better than I think it will, I won't be upset to be wrong.

I WILL however, be upset if this kind of optimism and momentum is burned the way it was before.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:52 PM

23. I'm with you

For even the biggest critics, it's never been about disliking or not wanting to support the president, it's been about what's best for the nation. All presidents should be supported accordingly.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:06 PM

24. I'm cautiously optimistic.

I admit concern over Medicare and Social Security benefit cuts being added back into the bargain. However, Warren's placement on the banking committee is a major boon. One which has left me feeling more optimistic today than I did last week.

If nothing else I'm sure John Boehner's going through antacids like candy right now. Which is of some small comfort.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:48 PM

25. I hope you're right, Manny

Perhaps the people have spoken loudly and it's giving them pause. In any event, I'm working on a video exposing the Democrats who are calling for SS & Medicare changes. I would say there are about 20 Democrats total and it's quite stunning when you put them altogether. I'll be ready to go public with it, should that time come.

But I do hope it is you who owes Will a steak dinner.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:52 PM

26. K&R

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