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Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:48 PM

 

Hillary 2016

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Reply Hillary 2016 (Original post)
Paul E Ester Dec 2012 OP
Panasonic Dec 2012 #1
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #8
hfojvt Dec 2012 #25
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #27
bluestate10 Dec 2012 #19
closeupready Dec 2012 #2
Carolina Dec 2012 #7
Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #3
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #4
Carolina Dec 2012 #5
closeupready Dec 2012 #12
Carolina Dec 2012 #20
JCMach1 Dec 2012 #6
mcranor Dec 2012 #9
bluestate10 Dec 2012 #17
mike_c Dec 2012 #28
geardaddy Dec 2012 #10
bluestate10 Dec 2012 #15
Bake Dec 2012 #21
geardaddy Dec 2012 #23
Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #11
bluestate10 Dec 2012 #14
Kahuna Dec 2012 #31
bluestate10 Dec 2012 #13
GoCubsGo Dec 2012 #16
Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #18
Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #22
Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #24
mike_c Dec 2012 #26
La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #29
cbdo2007 Dec 2012 #30
Beacool Dec 2012 #32

Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:58 PM

1. Um. No.

 

I think it'll be martin o'malley

Had enough of "dynasties". Thank you.

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:05 PM

8. Exactly. We don't need any more family dynasties. But if she does run, there more than ample

 

ammunition to expose her deeply flawed agenda so I'm not too worried.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:41 PM

25. I still think she would be very tough to beat

and I would still be ABC.

Well, almost ABC because the Democratic Party has a lot of other really conservative "dogs". Like Cuomo and Schweitzer and Richardson and Sebelius and Nixon.

But I am so sick of this Presidency bullshit, like speculation about 2016 (or promoting your favorite) is somehow more important than the current budget deal. (but note the huge lack of interest in my thread on THAT topic http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021922178)

We need to pay more attention to 2014, because we cannot really get a more progressive President until we get a more progressive House and Senate.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:49 PM

27. Good points. I'm pretty sure that, should she actually run, the republicans would make sure

 

that, once again, we would have no choice (at least those of us in the swing states) but to vote for her.

And you're right that we do need to concentrate on the mid terms. The Presidential race, IMO, serves mainly as an extravagant distraction from the elections that matter, the Congress.

The TV consumer culture is killing us.

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:34 PM

19. The push is going to be so strong for a woman, that not having one heading our ticket

will be suicide. I don't see O'Malley or any other man as the standard bearer. Warren or Baldwin would be good choices if they star in the Senate over the next three years.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:00 PM

2. Can't support that. I love her and all she's done, but

she voted in favor of the Iraq War Resolution. That's a complete non-starter for me.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:04 PM

7. thank you, see

my post down thread

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:02 PM

3. No, but she's welcome to run. I hope no more super-delegate theft crap tho.

The entitlement was chilling and one hell of a glimpse into who she and Bill are.

PB

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:03 PM

4. Uh oh, Here we go.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:04 PM

5. NO!

Walmart defender!
Among the founders of the DLC!
Wrong on Iraq in 2002!
Awful, kitchen sink primary campaign in 2008.


No, no, no, 1000 times no

Time for new, progressive blood

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Response to Carolina (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:14 PM

12. +100.

Did you know that she was once on Walmart's Board of Directors?

I imagine that for ambitious young people, you think the world is so big, and that you can leave your past behind, but anyone over 40 can testify that no, you can't; these valid counterpoints will all be raised yet again if she decides to run in 2016.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:50 PM

20. "Did you know that she was once on Walmart's Board of Directors? "

Yes, exactly. That's why my 1st line was: Walmart defender.

Plus, in HRC's 2008 primary campaign, she claimed 20 years experience, basing such claim on the Arkansas Gubernatorial and White House years. But by that barometer Babs Bush could have claimed 12 years (8 VP, 4 POTUS)! She was the "Mrs." not the elected official and though some here claim she was the force behind Bill, I counter that Bill had the smarts and charisma in spades which is what drew her to him when they were at Yale and what compelled her to follow him when he returned to Arkansas after graduating Yale Law!

Bill is still the master speaker and politician, Hill is not and never was.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:04 PM

6. Hillary Clinton/Deval Patrick - 2016

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:10 PM

9. No. IWR = Deal breaker

To get my vote, she will have to convince me that she understands what a terrible, terrible mistake her IWR vote was. That she truly, deeply, regrets it. That given the chance to do it over, she wouldn't. Do you think she can do that?

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Response to mcranor (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:29 PM

17. I think she would. She has shown public indications of feeling the IWR vote was a mistake.

Understand that she and lots of other people were lied to when shaping their vote.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:52 PM

28. understand that she and other people should have known better....

Those arguments were hashed out thoroughly on DU back in 2003 etc, but to recap briefly, UNSCOM made it abundantly clear to everyone who actually paid attention outside the Washington echo chamber that Iraq had been effectively disarmed since the mid 90s. Saddam Hussein had reopened Iraq to weapons inspectors, etc. The IWR is filled with lies and distortions to justify a belligerent invasion, a crime against humanity under the UN treaty and the Nuremberg Protocols. And Hillary Clinton voted in favor of crimes against humanity.

Sorry, no. It will be a cold day in hell before I forget the democratic party betrayals in the IWR vote. John Kerry, anyone?

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:12 PM

10. No.

Elizabeth Warren or Tammy Baldwin first.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:26 PM

15. If either or both star in the Senate as expected, they would be good choices.

Both have shown themselves to be tough campaigners and should be able to carry a national ticket.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:10 PM

21. Get real. Neither one has served a single day in Congress yet.

We nominate either one, we lose.

Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:28 PM

23. And that didn't stop people from talking about Obama

as a potential candidate before he even ran for the U.S. Senate.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:12 PM

11. No thanks. We need fresh faces. Fresh last names...

 

It'll be a sad day for American democracy if there's another Bush vs. Clinton election.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:24 PM

14. We need a candidate that can get us through to 2024. Please don't pull the Florida 2000 shit

again. Hillary Clinton is the most practical choice to lead our ticket. Beyond her we have a cluster of younger, but not yet ready democrats that can take the nation well into this century and develop even more young politicians.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:16 PM

31. Don't worry BS10. If Hillary runs, she will win in a massive landslide,

with or without the naysayers.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:21 PM

13. I view Hillary as the most logical bridge to our younger, deep bench.

If Hillary gets us through to 2024, then names like Julian or Joaquin Castro, or Tammy Baldwin, or Ami Bera, or Tulsi Gabbard, or Patrick Murphy, or Joe Kennedy III come into play, along with young state level democrats that have not punched through to the national level yet.

Some want Elizabeth Warren, and she may be a good choice if she stars in the Senate as expected. Warren has proven that she is a tough campaigner and could carry a national level race.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:28 PM

16. Oh, FFS.

The President was just reelected one month ago. He has not even been inaugurated for his second term. Can't it wait until he gets into his term a year or two before you start to consider his replacement?

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:31 PM

18. Nope

No more Democrats that represent the 1% -- we already have one of those.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:12 PM

22. Welcome Paul. I see we are going to be good Hillary friends!

Any possibility of someone/you making an avatar for that picture of Hillary? I love it and would love to use it.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:32 PM

24. Snipergate disqualifies her for Commander In Chief. Sorry.

Not an option.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:45 PM

26. hell, no....

eom

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:53 PM

29. while i think the dynasty argument is stupid, i think HRC will not run

because of they many times she has stated so

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:55 PM

30. Biden/Clinton 2016??

It's obvious Biden will run in 2016 and an old white guy is much more likely to get elected after 8 years of President Obama than anyone else.

My guess is that Biden will run in 2016 with Clinton as his VP and then he'll retire after his first term and let Clinton run in 2020.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:24 PM

32. Lovely campaign button.

2016 is going to be hard for a Democrat to win after having the WH for 8 years. Hillary transcends party lines and has been the most popular politician in the nation for quite some time now. As for the naysayers on the left, I couldn't care less about their objections. The important question is whether she will be interested in running, she has at least two years to think about it.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

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