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Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:37 PM

Have the Republican ever, EVER, itemized the zillion dollars of tax loopholes they want to close?

All I've ever heard is that they will close tax loopholes and recover the lost money.
But what the hell are these loopholes?
Sure there are lots of special cases, exceptions and certainly some true loopholes but what is the GOP talking about when they say they want to close tax loopholes?

It's fine to say you want to close loopholes just like it's fine to say you want eliminate all illegal activity in the US but how the farking jesuit in a jar are you going to do it?

Has anyone ever heard?

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:40 PM

1. They're relying on the Romney strategy; can't name the details or specifics, but trust them.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:43 PM

2. Oh. Well, that's okay then.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:50 PM

3. no Kablooie, you're just supposed to have FAITH!!!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:59 PM

4. You people are putting all my worries to rest. I just need to trust and have faith. Whew!

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:05 PM

5. Those assholes don't have a clue about what works. They won in 2010 because they lied to

american voters about having a plan for jobs. What voters saw in 2012 is that not only didn't republicans have a plan for jobs, but they had no plan for anything else.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:07 PM

6. No, they haven't and they won't.

I don't believe they ever had any intention of closing any significant "loopholes" (a word I hear misused a lot). It was all just a ploy to try to sell the idea that even more tax cuts would not affect the deficit. If they ever do try to get rid of any major tax breaks, there are lots of well-funded lobbyists in Washington who will make sure the ones that benefit their clients are protected (or quietly restored later).

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:28 PM

7. They want to close unspecified loopholes and lower rates. In other words, another

tax cut.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:17 PM

8. I actually did laugh out loud just reading the subject line.

The only plan is for Obama and Democrats to debate with themselves to come to a consensus on something the TeaPubliKlans might say yes to like their last stated position, to then refuse whatever Reich wing tomfoolery that was as a commie plot, then on to exacting concessions a many and pouring the seven seas into whatever weak ass, corporate koolaid that was allowed on the "stakeholders" table, then a healthy dose of obstruction for obstruction's sake to give time for shitty deals to come out or for the contents of the bill to come out, then between ZERO and a passing minimum of votes if whatever is still standing and they don't actually object in spirit, and then move on to beating Democrats over the fucking noggin good for passing more or less their shitty ideas.

Since that has worked pretty good with little opposition from elected Democrats, they have no plan B. Maybe tents won't fold as usual and the cycle is broken but thus far the TeaPubliKlans have been able to get away with shit in one hand and nothing in the other because Democrats accept and work within their bogus frames and have become so desperate to get things done that the what, when, and especially how takes a back seat or even goes under the tires.

Their seems to be some brain lock on the idea of you can't meet in the middle when the poles aren't declared. TeaPubliKlans can't say what they want without opening themselves up for bigger trouble than they have now, not too directly.
Democrats are too busy trying to read the tea leaves and pretending the other fucks are serious that rather than a consensus the best we can on what we are shooting for our dumbasses are actually try to discern some sensible or at least coherent and plausible in the real world policy of their crazy talk and then spend the rest of time trying to get them to say yes to our reckoning of their supposed policy.

When you insist on pretending crazy, dangerous, dishonorable, and delusional are the opposite then you are crazy too. Whatever is going on between your ears, your interaction with the world is irrational.

No, the plan is to bellow and bullshit. A complicit media and an opposition unwilling to oppose makes it as good a plan as any and if we don't fold then they'll do the scream like stuck pigs on their daily domination of the mainstream TV rotation, have their crappy talking head pawns sigh and wheeze about how unreasonable and not very "serious" Democrats are, and crank up the Faux and the hate a notch or two.

AKA

Nothing. We should have save the nation a lot of trouble, treasure, and pain by putting our foot down some time ago. No more human shields for them to hide behind and no more hostages and the charade can start to wrap up.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:49 PM

9. Occasionally, just occasionally, someone mentions that 'broadening the tax base' is part

of their tax reform plan. They want more of the 47% to pay more taxes This means that more people who are at or near poverty, or students, or those receiving medicare benefits should sacrifice more. They certainly don't mean that the wealthy who pay no income tax should pay more...they've said repeatedly the rich already have an unfair burden.

Ryan said it during the campaign.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:59 PM

10. Well, see, that would require work. And some brains.

They don't want to work, and they don't have brains.

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