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Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:51 PM

Family Mad After Dolphin Bites Girl at SeaWorld, But 8-year-old broke the rules (video)

Family is not getting a lot of internet support as you can imagine. The girl moved the paper plate away from the dolphin and the dolphin tried to retrieve it

http://www.newser.com/story/158658/family-mad-after-dolphin-bites-girl-at-seaworld.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united&utm_campaign=rss_3_2




Family Mad After Dolphin Bites Girl at SeaWorld
But spokeswoman says 8-year-old broke the rules


(Newser) – An Atlanta family is at odds with SeaWorld today after a playful dolphin leaped up and bit the family's 8-year-old girl on the hand, CNN reports. The Thomases say they posted a video of Jillian being bitten in Orlando, Fla., because they weren't satisfied with SeaWorld's response to the incident. "We felt powerless," says Jillian's dad. "We thought, look, we've got this video, let's make it public, and let's try to put some pressure on SeaWorld to make some changes."

In the November 21 video, you can see Jillian feeding dolphins from a paper plate when she mistakenly picked up the plate—against SeaWorld instructions—and the dolphin momentarily bit her. "I was thinking it was going to haul me into the water," says Jillian. What's more, her mother says, SeaWorld staffers never offered a Band-Aid or told them to look for signs of infection. But a SeaWorld spokeswoman says health staffers "quickly responded" to Jillian, who had been given "specific instructions to not pick up the paper trays at any

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:55 PM

1. Family is outraged

But I'm sure a pile of money would soothe their anguish.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:04 PM

68. That's obviously all these assholes are after. n/t

 

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:02 PM

2. Whiney little brat

My parents response would have been "Serves you right for not doing what you were told. So suck it up."

I loved her mom's comment in the video about how it was important for them to get the picture of her hand. Yep, important to the huge monetary settlement they want to get from Sea World.

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Response to dballance (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:05 PM

7. everyone knows - don't mess with an animal's food. Anyone ever try to remove food from a kitten?

omg.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:13 PM

11. I have lost a lot more blood to kittens angry about me touching their food than that kid lost. nt


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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:13 PM

39. cat protecting her food

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:16 PM

104. Yep, same with many animals. Don't F with animals when eating, the kid's own fault IMO. n/t

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Response to dballance (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:17 PM

13. Really? She's a little fucking kid.

 

What an asshole response. She wasn't teasing the dolphin or doing anything untoward and somehow she's a whiny brat who deserved to get bit? Got what was coming to her? She's eight years old, what the hell is wrong with you?

The parents may well be angling for some cash but being so mean to this kid is just dickish and outrageous. I hope you don't have any children of your own.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:36 PM

17. A little fucking kid with shitty fucking 'parents'.

They probably thought it was cute until the animal did what animals do.

See my post, below (#8).

A decent 'parent' will make sure their kid does what it is told.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:42 PM

19. Yeah because you've always done exactly what you're told right?

If so that's so sad. She was a kid and you are a heartless cynical authoritarian. I hope you don't have kids. They aren't robots who never think or experiment or fail to give their master their full attention.

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:08 PM

33. Oh, I have kids.

But they always did what they were told.

They are now very successful purveyors of pot.

Those 'parents' of that child should have been charged with negligence.

See post #8.

Do you think it's Ok when parents act like that?

They are setting an example and opening the door for ever-worsening behavior.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:56 PM

59. "But they always did what they were told. "

LOL - sure they did.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #59)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:09 PM

71. I misspoke

I never told them what to do, I told them what not to do.

As children, they had free reign, but the never did things that I told them not to do. No acting up in restaurants, no disrespecting your (true) elders. No mistreatment of animals or touching stuff that was not theirs.

They were everyone's Favorite Kids.

I did, however, set them up with the distribution thing.

I did not keep one of them from dropping out of school in the 9th grade or the other one in the 12th. My feeling was that school was not going to prepare them for anything but working for a paycheck.

Now, they are set for life.

One of my weaknesses, I suppose, is that I cannot understand or excuse shitty 'parenting'.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #71)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:41 PM

93. I don't think you are deliberately telling

an untruth, but memory sometimes gets blurred. I find it hard to believe that any child never, ever did anything they were told not to.

While this little girl's parents may be opportunistic, what happened was so fast there was little way to intervene. That doesn't mean they are shitty parents or the child is a brat. Kids forget things in a split second and often have to be told over and over again to learn something.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #93)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:01 PM

98. I took a different route.

I was raised on a ranch and, as a parent, recognized what animals did in raising their young was really effective.

When my sons would try something (I have never had to work, so I was always there) that I did not approve of - reaching out to fuck with things on a table, screwing around with my guitars, etc.. - I would tell them to stop.

If they repeated the action, I would push them down on their diaper-covered ass.

Knock the breath out of them.

They learned what not to do, real quick.

I never had to spank them.

In later years, when observing Little Shits acting out in public, my older son would often refer to - if doing that kind of shit - being out of breath.

Real Parenting is not that difficult.

I don't care what you think, a child only needs to be told what not to do once. A Real Parent will let that child know that there are real consequences of their actions.

Eight-year-old children are not infants or toddlers.

The 'parents', however, are.

I see them on an almost-daily basis.

DBH

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #98)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:40 PM

132. Just knock the breath out of them.

Yes, you are the epitome of a great parent. You should win an award. You are certainly in a far superior position to judge the parents of this 1 minute video.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #132)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:54 AM

183. An adult should not have to resort to physical violence to control a child.

They learn that this is the way one deals with problems instead of using verbal skills.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #71)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:38 PM

130. You call the girl her told her mom she was out of fish

a worthless parent and a bad fucking parent, yet yours didn't finish high school?

I will no longer take your opinions on parenting as serious.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #130)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:46 PM

138. Who needs school?

My sons have made millions, selling product.

I showed them where the traps were.

What are your kids doing?

Mine are wintering in Belize.

Life is a quarry.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #138)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:47 PM

140. Yeah, I don't believe you.

I have no reason to.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #140)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:11 AM

154. Well, that's that, then...

wanta come check out my garage?

Do you want to come look at my guitar collection?

I, like my sons, have never worked for a paycheck.

You don't "believe" me?

I love people who actually work for a living.

Thankfully, I am not in that cadre.

Some of us are fortunate, some have to toil upon the stone.

Why do you not "believe" me?

Are you so blind that you do not believe that there are those of us who do not have to "work" in the common sense?

I sleep 'til noon, every day.

Always have, always will.

I was born lucky.

There are other realities, you know..

Thankfully, my GrandFather set it up real cool...

I respect your right to not "believe" me.

But you are naive.

Believe it or not, there are people of means who believe in the cause.

I have never worked for a paycheck, I have no Social Security income and I don't need it.

I have no idea where you are coming from, but I respect your own view.

We all see things from different points.
DBH

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #154)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:53 AM

192. I assume they paid their fair share on all of those

 

millions. They did pay taxes on it, right?

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Response to morningfog (Reply #140)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:52 AM

172. Well...

wanta come check out my garage?

Do you want to come look at my guitar collection?

I, like my sons, have never worked for a paycheck.

You don't "believe" me?

I love people who actually work for a living.

Thankfully, I am not in that cadre.

Some of us are fortunate, some have to toil upon the stone.

Why do you not "believe" me?

Are you so blind that you do not believe that there are those of us who do not have to "work" in the common sense?

I sleep 'til noon, every day.

Always have, always will.

I was born lucky.

There are other realities, you know..

Thankfully, my GrandFather set it up real cool...

I respect your right to not "believe" me.

But you are naive.

Believe it or not, there are people of means who believe in the cause.

I have never worked for a paycheck, I have no Social Security income and I don't need it.

I have no idea where you are coming from, but I respect your own view.

We all see things from different points.
DBH

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Response to morningfog (Reply #140)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:04 AM

173. I keep screwing this up...

wanta come check out my garage?

Do you want to come look at my guitar collection?

I, like my sons, have never worked for a paycheck.

You don't "believe" me?

I love people who actually work for a living.

Thankfully, I am not in that cadre.

Some of us are fortunate, some have to toil upon the stone.

Why do you not "believe" me?

Are you so blind that you do not believe that there are those of us who do not have to "work" in the common sense?

I sleep 'til noon, every day.

Always have, always will.

I was born lucky.

There are other realities, you know..

Thankfully, my GrandFather set it up real cool...

I respect your right to not "believe" me.

But you are naive.

Believe it or not, there are people of means who believe in the cause.

I have never worked for a paycheck, I have no Social Security income and I don't need it.

I have no idea where you are coming from, but I respect your own view.

We all see things from different points.

And I am really drunk.

It is only midnight...

If I have offended your sensibilities, I am sorry.

"Even yo mama knows you sorry."

My apologies,
DBH
DBH

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Response to morningfog (Reply #140)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:13 AM

174. OK

wanta come check out my garage?

Do you want to come look at my guitar collection?

I, like my sons, have never worked for a paycheck.

You don't "believe" me?

I love people who actually work for a living.

Thankfully, I am not in that cadre.

Some of us are fortunate, some have to toil upon the stone.

Why do you not "believe" me?

Are you so blind that you do not believe that there are those of us who do not have to "work" in the common sense?

I sleep 'til noon, every day.

Always have, always will.

I was born lucky.

There are other realities, you know..

Thankfully, my GrandFather set it up real cool...

I respect your right to not "believe" me.

But you are naive.

Believe it or not, there are people of means who believe in the cause.

I have never worked for a paycheck, I have no Social Security income and I don't need it.

I have no idea where you are coming from, but I respect your own view.

We all see things from different points.

And I am really drunk.

It is only midnight...

If I have offended your sensibilities, I am sorry.

"Even you mama knows you sorry." Old Nancy once said to me. Old Nancy, the grand-daughter of slaves who taught me most of what I needed to know.

My apologies,
DBH

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Response to morningfog (Reply #140)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:16 AM

175. OK

wanta come check out my garage?

Do you want to come look at my guitar collection?

I, like my sons, have never worked for a paycheck.

You don't "believe" me?

I love people who actually work for a living.

Thankfully, I am not in that cadre.

Some of us are fortunate, some have to toil upon the stone.

Why do you not "believe" me?

Are you so blind that you do not believe that there are those of us who do not have to "work" in the common sense?

I sleep 'til noon, every day.

Always have, always will.

I was born lucky.

There are other realities, you know..

Thankfully, my GrandFather set it up real cool...

I respect your right to not "believe" me.

But you are naive.

Believe it or not, there are people of means who believe in the cause.

I have never worked for a paycheck, I have no Social Security income and I don't need it.

I have no idea where you are coming from, but I respect your own view.

We all see things from different points.

And I am really drunk.

It is only midnight...

If I have offended your sensibilities, I am sorry.

"Even you mama knows you sorry." Old Nancy once said to me. Old Nancy, the grand-daughter of slaves who taught me most of what I needed to know.

My apologies,
DBH

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Response to morningfog (Reply #140)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:47 AM

180. OK, I keep screwing this up....

wanta come check out my garage?

Do you want to come look at my guitar collection?

I, like my sons, have never worked for a paycheck.

You don't "believe" me?

I love people who actually work for a living.

Thankfully, I am not in that cadre.

Some of us are fortunate, some have to toil upon the stone.

Why do you not "believe" me?

Are you so blind that you do not believe that there are those of us who do not have to "work" in the common sense?

I sleep 'til noon, every day.

Always have, always will.

I was born lucky.

There are other realities, you know..

Thankfully, my GrandFather set it up real cool...

I respect your right to not "believe" me.

But you are naive.

Believe it or not, there are people of means who believe in the cause.

I have never worked for a paycheck, I have no Social Security income and I don't need it.

I have no idea where you are coming from, but I respect your own view.

We all see things from different points.

And I am really drunk.

It is only midnight...

If I have offended your sensibilities, I am sorry.

"Even you mama knows you sorry." Old Nancy once said to me. Old Nancy, the grand-daughter of slaves who taught me most of what I needed to know.

My apologies,
DBH

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Response to morningfog (Reply #140)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:49 AM

182. OK

wanta come check out my garage?

Do you want to come look at my guitar collection?

I, like my sons, have never worked for a paycheck.

You don't "believe" me?

I love people who actually work for a living.

Thankfully, I am not in that cadre.

Some of us are fortunate, some have to toil upon the stone.

Why do you not "believe" me?

Are you so blind that you do not believe that there are those of us who do not have to "work" in the common sense?

I sleep 'til noon, every day.

Always have, always will.

I was born lucky.

There are other realities, you know..

Thankfully, my GrandFather set it up real cool...

I respect your right to not "believe" me.

But you are naive.

Believe it or not, there are people of means who believe in the cause.

I have never worked for a paycheck, I have no Social Security income and I don't need it.

I have no idea where you are coming from, but I respect your own view.

We all see things from different points.

And I am really drunk.

It is only midnight...

If I have offended your sensibilities, I am sorry.

"Even you mama knows you sorry." Old Nancy once said to me. Old Nancy, the grand-daughter of slaves who taught me most of what I needed to know.

My apologies,
DBH

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #138)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:52 AM

191. Yeh, who needs school?

 

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #138)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:33 AM

201. Fuck, I didn't realize it was all about wintering in Belize.

Actually, sounds kind of boring.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #130)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 04:54 PM

233. Your comments are ridiculous

Please point me to the studies that correlate good parenting with a high school diploma or GED.

There are many reasons a person may not finish high school. Lots of them, like poverty, ill parents or relatives they care for and the like are beyond the control of the person who has to drop out of high school.

While I am fortunate enough to have a high school and college degree I find your implication that people who don't have a high school degree can't be good parents insulting. You might want to remember we had a depression in the last hundred years. I'm not sure but I sincerely doubt my grandmother had a high school degree. I doubt she was given the chance to learn more than how to read and write and do basic arithmetic. Yet she managed to raise 13 children including my father and they all turned out pretty well.

You are really being an elitist snob.

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Response to dballance (Reply #233)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:19 PM

236. LOL!

The poster I was responding to is full of it. I am far from an elitist snob, I was just pointing out their hypocrisy and lies.

Go on with your poutrage though, please.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:44 PM

20. Do we know exactly what they were told? Here is another video at the same Sea World


All they say is to place the tray on the lower end of the wall. They say nothing about "Whatever you do don't pick it up and hold it in front of the Dolphin or you could get the crap bitten out of you!"



Stuff like this happens and it's clear the little girl was not hurt that bad but perhaps Sea World should try and be a little more forceful about what not to do our you could get bitten.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:41 PM

50. Precisely how does one control the free will of others?

"A decent 'parent' will make sure their kid does what it is told..."

Precisely how does one control the free will of others? While I certainly understand respect and obedience, yours is (unless topped with hyperbole for a better tasting recipe, and I'm sure you wouldn't do that)) quite the statement of absolutism, and I'm wondering how one a "decent" parent may ensure that their child does what he or she (rather than "it", but that's only my opinion- you of course may see them as objects as is your prerogative) obeys without question in every circumstance?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #50)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:56 PM

60. Well, as a first step,

a parent could teach the child that rules are in place for a reason (at least some are, like don't pick up the fucking plate...). Teaching the child that somehow Seaworld is the one at fault (which the parents are doing by blaming SW) will just perpetuate this behavior. If the child is not capable of following directions (and by this point, the parents should have a pretty good idea of the kid's capabilities in this area...) then no feeding dolphins for you. See? Easy!

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #50)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:56 PM

61. How do you keep a dog from biting or a horse from bucking?

You show them that there is a better way.

Children who do not do what they are told are not "free', they are being mis-handled.

If those "parents" think it is OK for their kid to do the opposite of what is laid down, they should re-think.

I rarely told my sons what to do. Rather, I told them what not to do. We never had a problem.

I told them to not worry about school, as they would - more than likely - end up as prisoners in tall buildings. I took them and showed them cubicles, where people spent the majority of their time. I drove them around downtown, laughing at people in suits.

One dropped out of school in the 9th grade, the other in 12th. They are both Mensans.

Today, they are wildly successful purveyors of pot.

I knew how to raise my sons.

They have never worked for a paycheck and they never will, either.

They were shown that there is a better way.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #61)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:28 PM

107. Cool story Bill.

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Response to Son of Gob (Reply #107)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:25 AM

164. the truth

part is the kicker on his post.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #164)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:26 AM

170. I don't think I've heard a truer, more genuine story in my life.

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Response to Son of Gob (Reply #170)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 04:04 AM

184. Thank you, Son of Gob...

I was raised hard, I respected everyone's property.

Our Christmas presents were cut from the pages of Sears Roebucks catalog.

Today's "parents" make me crazy.
DBH

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #61)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:29 AM

211. LOL "Today, they are wildly successful purveyors of pot."

Real role models, eh?

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:09 PM

69. The kid's action was instinctive. She was having fun feeding the fish and ran out of food

for them, so she picked up the plate to explain her problem - very typical of an 8 year old and not pre-planned.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #69)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:51 PM

117. Very true.

How anybody could call this kid a brat is beyond me. Methinks some people on this website have been on HuffPost too long.......

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #69)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:51 PM

227. The only part with which I have a bit of a problem...

Little Jillian claiming she was afraid she was being dragging into the water. The whole thing happened so fast, there is no way she could have thought much of anything, just "OUCH!" There wasn't even enough time for her short little life to flash before her eyes.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:41 PM

94. What "it" is told. Yeah.

 

Some of you guys are really fucked up. You demand absolute obiedience from a child but then I suppose you expect them to grow up be anti-establishment free thinking liberals. And, by all means, let's make sure the big corporation doesn't have to make amends for this in any way. Talk about biazarro world.

A child isn't an "it" or a thing, they are people, every bit as good and worthy as anyone. And, in many cases, more so.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #94)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:08 PM

99. Would you think it would be cool..

to let your child stand/sit in a $1M vehicle w/o the owner's permission?

I have had it with the clueless and their blank-faced offspring.

I have children, but they are actually socially developed.

See post #8.

I have had it with shitty 'parents'.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #99)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:28 PM

108. I don't see what one has to do with the other.

 

How does what happened at Sea World equal me putting my kid in your Lamborghini without your permission? What the hell are we talking about here?

Watch the video, the kid literally does nothing to provoke the dolphin. Nothing at all. Acting as if she isn't socially adjusted or that there is something wrong with the parents is absurd. It literally happened in a split second. Really watch it.

And give me a break with all the holier than thou parenting crap. Other than not being there in the first place there was very little that could have been done to prevent the incident.

Calling the kid an out of control brat is way over the line.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #94)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:45 PM

114. I think you're way off

No one expects "absolute obedience" from a child. That would be ridiculous. In fact it would be totally counterproductive to what I believe is one of the the very natural ways we learn - trial and error. And by the same token I don't think any one should expect complete and total safety provided by corporations such as Sea World.

As a parent if you allow your child to feed wild animals you must expect there might be unintended consequences. Those dolphins in that tank are not pet puppies and kitties. They are captured wild animals.

So let's turn to the "child isn't an 'it' or a thing" commentary. What exactly do you mean when you state that "they are people, every bit as good and worthy as anyone. And, in many cases, more so." I certainly agree they are as good and worthy as anyone. But why "more so?"

What's this delusional evaluation we seem to put on the lives of children over adults? Why exactly is the life of an 8 year-old more valuable than the life of an 80 year-old? I never got the whole "women and children first" thing. That's so sexist and agist. Perhaps that 80 year-old is a researcher and next week would have found the cure to cancer. But, she had a little heart attack and the doctors tried their best but decided it was "her time."

The 8 year-old got hit by a car on his bike because he didn't pay attention to what his parents told him and rode in the street anyway. He was life-flighted by helicopter to the nearest trauma center. About a million dollars later - through Medicaid since his parents are unemployed - they made the horrible decision to accept he was brain dead and remove the life support.

So tell me. Tell me how you value a person's life. I can't tell you how. But I can damned sure say every person's life is worthy and I'll never make a statement like "And, in many cases, more so" referring to the worth of one person's life over another's.

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Response to dballance (Reply #114)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:11 PM

123. Forget I said anything at all.

 

The kid is a stupid brat and the parents are unfit moneygrubbers. Ok?

By the gods.

I was obviously taking a shot at the person who referred to the child as an "it", a non -being, when I said kids were better than some people.

I honestly can't believe that I'm getting attacked for defending the kid against someone that essentially said she deserved to get bit for not following " the rules". An eight year old is supposed to have the discipline of a mature adult I guess.

Whatever.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #123)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:42 PM

135. I never said she deserved to get bitten for not following the rules. NEVER

I also never referred to the kid as an it. I'm going to have to read the thread to see where these thoughts come from.

I only said that my parents would have told me I deserved it for not following directions and to just suck it up. That was the '60s and '70s. Parenting was a lot different back then. And yes that would have been what they said when I was an 8 year-old.

If you read into my simple post that I implied she "deserved" to get bitten you are so wrong. No one "deserves" to get bitten.

My post was intended to have nothing but contempt for the girl's parents.

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Response to dballance (Reply #135)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:24 AM

163. Well enough.

 

I apologize for accusing you of saying something you didn't say. That's just the way it came off to me, sorry about that.

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Response to dballance (Reply #135)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:57 AM

168. Perhaps so, but it didn't quite come off that way to me.

You'll have to forgive me then. (sorry your parents were like that though.)

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:31 PM

109. You refer to a kid as an "it." What is wrong with you.

Do you get off cussing complete strangers on line.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #109)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:30 PM

127. "It" is a product...

of fucking bad 'parenting'.

Those 'parents' should have guided that child in a better direction.

"It" is a product of worthless 'parents'.

What would you have told your child in that situation?

"Oh, fuck that, just do what you want"?

Really?

Just snatch that plate?

Everything is OK?

Do not take your child to Crocodile Park.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #127)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:35 PM

128. The kid picked up a plate.

That is hardly a sign of "fucking bad parenting." From the video, it looks like she was just having fun, was excited and was hading the plate to someone else. It wasn't like she was dangling her little brother over the tank.

She is not an "it." She is a little girl and you can derive nothing of what kind of parents she has. There is no indication they are 'worthless parents." Far from it.

She said, "Mom, I'm out of fish." Hardly a product of such horrible parenting.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:57 AM

188. Especially true when around wild animals. n/t

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:01 PM

27. Yep, she is

 

A whiny little brat who is being enabled and entitled by her parents. She learned a lesson every kid should learn.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:18 PM

43. I can understand learning a lesson, but a 'whiny brat'?

Now THAT part was unnecessary.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:49 PM

55. Maybe not yet

 

...but she will become one if this is allowed to proceed the way its going.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:52 PM

56. She's a whiny brat because

When her parents ask her to show the bite marks she whines about not wanting to. Her parents weren't asking her to dance nude in the promenade, they were asking her to show them her injuries. In an instance like that she should obey her parents. Even though I think they only wanted to get the pictures for a subsequent legal action. An action that will probably lead to Sea World terminating the fun of ALL kids of feeding dolphins if they're smart. Because once one of those sorts of legal cases is filed the next one will have the weight of saying "Sea World knew such things could happen and didn't take adequate precautions to prevent it." The only thing they can do to protect themselves legally is just stop all the feedings. Too bad for the kids who do what they're told and, therefore, don't get bitten.

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Response to dballance (Reply #56)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:00 PM

64. And that's your excuse?

I don't agree with what her parents are doing but there's no legit excuse I can find for calling this kid a "brat", none.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #64)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:09 PM

70. My Excuse? I'm seeking no excuse and no pardon

I said what I said and it's my opinion. I seek no pardon from you or any one else on it.

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Response to dballance (Reply #70)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:17 PM

74. Get off your high horse.

Nobody asked you to 'seek pardon'. I called it exactly as I saw it.....which happens to be the truth, in this case. SMH.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #74)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:32 PM

88. Right after you do. /eom

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Response to dballance (Reply #56)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:02 PM

229. How many kids were there that didn't get bitten?

My kids have done this at Sea World, and petted the Dolphins, too. In resorts all over the place you can swim with them. Is it right? Probably not, but open for debate. The fact is, MOST people enjoy this activity without getting bitten. Dolphins are generally friendly animals. I grew up surfing in Florida -- dolphins were frequently in the waves with us, and they used to love surfing the bow-wake when we were sailing in the lagoon. They aren't evil...the kid made a mistake, the dolphin appear to realize pretty quick that the kid wasn't a snack.

Very much ado about nothing, just some parents hoping to cash in.

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Response to Atman (Reply #229)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:00 PM

234. When ships leave port they love to see dolphins swimming and diving around their bow

It's a sign of good luck.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:41 PM

51. You are rude, uncivil and misquoting me

You are free to disagree with my opinion. But I find it insulting that you have to call me an asshole in doing so.

The article says they were told not to pick up the paper plates. Obviously Sea World knew what they were talking about with those instructions. My mother once told me not to touch the burner on the stove because it was hot. I was young and touched the burner anyway. It was hot and it burned my hand. There are consequences for one's actions when one does not follow instructions. This little girl found that out.

I don't see anywhere in my post that I said she "got what was coming to her" or that she "deserved" to get bitten. No one deserves to be bitten. You're putting words in my mouth. Yes, she's 8 years old. So she's old enough to follow directions. If her parents tell her not to run out into the street are you going to blame the driver of the car that hits her because she didn't follow instructions and the driver couldn't stop in time?

In the body of my post I simply stated what my parents response would have been to the incident in contrast to the obvious response of her parents wanting to film her bite marks so they can most likely hire a personal injury attorney and milk Sea World for as much as they can get. There was a time when parents used these sorts of incidents to teach personal responsibility rather than an opportunity for a cash settlement. If her parents were all that concerned they should have been finding one of those ubiquitous Purell hand-sanitizing stations that seem to be everywhere these days and applying some of that goop to the bites since I believe one of its main ingredients is isopropyl alcohol.

I don't have children and never will. I do have a dog that is treated very well though. He gets premium food, treats, walks and trips to the off-leash park. He's only an 18-lb terrier but still gets to take up as much of the couch as he wants. He took the road trip with me and my friend from Dallas to Toronto just as if he were my kid.

By the way it would be grammatically correct to say "get bitten." Just like I want to tell you to get screwed rather than get screw.

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Response to dballance (Reply #51)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:18 PM

223. +1

And they may not get a settlement either - there was notice of what to do, so Sea World would not have been negligent.

The plaintiffs would have to overcome that and any disclaimer they may have agreed to.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #73)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:25 PM

105. "The spawn of stupid fucking breeders." Even to the point here of letting

their child (must be about 4) ride a little bicycle with training wheels down the side of an extremely busy street with no parents in sight. Someday the kid is going to get hit, and then they will be all over the driver who could not avoid hitting a 4 year old riding into the street. As you said, "The spawn of stupid fucking breeders."

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:33 PM

89. My ire is for the parents

who were certainly capable of reading the rules even if an excited 9 year old didn't. Where the hell were they?

Nobody should get rich off this one. The kid learned not to grab food away from anything with teeth. The parents learned their own need to be parents and supervise their kid.

These are good lessons to learn. I doubt anyone on a jury is going to allow them to win the lawsuit lottery.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #89)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:41 PM

133. A jury will never see this. It will settle before that and the family will get money.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #89)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:22 AM

160. Excellent, Warpy...

I was flamed, up-thread, for saying same in not-so-diplomatically terms.

Bad Parenting abounds.

And Bad Parents are lock-step defensive.
DBH

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:49 AM

190. It was simply a good set of lessons for the kid

 

A) when dealing with nature, you have to respect it and its rules
B) if yo don't respect the rules, you will suffer the consequences, regardless of your intent or reason--many rules are there for good reason.

Hopefully a lesson she DOESN'T learn is "you can get paid big money for doing something stupid and then suing)

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #13)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 12:52 PM

252. Sorry, but before I was 5 I learned about feeding animals. From a dog.

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Response to dballance (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:51 PM

25. It's not her fault. Just a kid. The parents don't seem

to be reasonable, though.

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Response to dballance (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:34 PM

48. I love the mother's tone of voice when she says "we're not going to show it to anybody"

around the 30 sec mark.

Every time you feed an animal you are training it. It is wrong for Sea World to let kids feed (and therefore train) these captive dolphins.

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:53 PM

58. Yep, and yet it's going viral on the internet now

Just makes you go hmmmmm doesn't it? Think mom and dad have any ulterior motives?

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Response to dballance (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:10 PM

72. Maybe not brat. But my Mom would've said, "See? What did I tell you?" Kid should've been supervised

more closely.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #72)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:18 PM

76. My thoughts exactly.

Obviously, there could have been more caution, and frankly, it'd be a real shame if other kids weren't allowed to feed the dolphins anymore because of this one thing.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #72)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:13 PM

221. Yes, especially since the bite

does not look serious.

They are teaching that kid not to take responsibility for her actions.

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Response to dballance (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:43 PM

112. Responses like this no longer surprise me in the old DU

As disgusting as they are. I almost expect them any longer.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #112)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:51 PM

116. Thank You. Totally agree with that statement.

I believe you're supporting my right to have an opinion even if it's not popular.

I alerted to the juries on the basis of someone insulting me which is a TOS violation. But the jury seemed to think it was okay for the poster to have an opinion I'm an asshole but not okay for me to have an opinion the kid was a whiny brat. So, despite the obvious TOS violation of insulting another DUer his post remains.

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Response to dballance (Reply #116)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:09 PM

120. You have your right

That does not mean I find it acceptable to call an eight year old that was bitten by a wild animal, and startled, a brat.

It's your right to express something for which you have been chastised. And I am no longer surprised, or shocked, or for that matter alert or pay in juries. It is DU, after all.

So you know I am not supporting anything. Just stating that your statement lost it's shock value, that is all.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #112)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:44 PM

137. Seriously. What the fuck is wrong with this place?

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Response to morningfog (Reply #137)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:47 PM

141. I gave up trying to figure it our a while ago

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Response to morningfog (Reply #137)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:15 PM

215. and these posters pulled the same shit on another thread

about a month or so ago.

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Response to dballance (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:23 AM

161. she didn't 'whine' at all, she cried after being bitten, which 99% of kids would. And she

 

didn't pick up the tray to tease the dolphin, she picked it up to hand it to her mother because she was out of fish.

but yeah, let's say that this incredibly stupid set-up, where safety depends on a 1st grader acting impeccably -- is all the kid's fault, and not sea-world's fault for designing such a stupid feeding set-up.

let's see, the kids couldn't be back 3 feet behind a second barrier throwing fish to the dolphins, so the dolphins wouldn't be *able* to jump into the kids' faces and bite them?

that might be more expensive, so let's just make rules for 6 year olds.

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Response to dballance (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:58 AM

214. we're talking about a 7 year old.

7 year old kids are known for doing stupid things - especially when they're excited, and feeding a dolphin is a damn exciting event for a child, and she probably did think the dolphin was going to pull her in - and yes, a 7 year old will sound "whiney" when injured. I'm sure she was also scared. But looking at the video, it looks like she just picked it up to get some more fish to feed the dolphin, not really thinking about the rules.

We had another thread here where a few people were calling a young child some pretty bad names, your "whiney little brat" is a little bit paler than what they were saying, but still along the same lines - she's a child - more people need to remember that. Even my 6 year old daughter doesn't call other children names (not yet anyway). Perhaps some adults around here could take some lessons from her.

The blame for idiocy to follow lays solely on the parents. I'm sure the little girl isn't the one who wants to sue. She didn't even want her parents to film the injury - which was really minor, in the whole scheme of things - though not in the mind of a 7 year old.

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Response to dballance (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:22 PM

216. Whiney? SHe is a little girl and she got bit

Of course she is fucking crying.

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Response to dballance (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:16 PM

230. Well, there seems to be an issue with making comments about a kid

What is this unreasonable and illogical obsession that seems to say one cannot make disparaging remarks about a kid? I bet if John Bohener got bitten and I called him a whiney bastard no one would say a thing - unless it was in support of my comment.

I really never understood the whole "women and children first" thing either. It obviously places a higher value on one set of peoples lives over another. That really doesn't make a lot of sense. If you can get to the life-boat get in it and don't drown.

Why exactly is it apparently off-limits to criticize a kid? Why are they special? Because "they're our future?" Yep, I'm sure people thought Bundy, Gacey, Kaczynski, McVeigh and others were all special when they were cute little kids pulling the wings off live birds and torturing small animals. What a great future they provided us. So not all kids turn out to be a great, special future for us.

My thought is that kids are just as reasonable targets when they do stupid stuff as adults are. By the time you're 7 or 8 you're at a point in your life where you fully understand verbal instructions from adults. If you don't follow those instructions bad things might happen. That would be your own fault and would be a learning moment assuming you survive it.

As I said in another post my mother told me not to touch the burner on the stove. But it was pretty and red so I touched it anyway. It burned my hand and I learned a lesson. Pay attention to what adults tell you.

Parents used to use these moments as an opportunity to teach personal responsibility for one's actions. I fear that these days parents coddle the kids and try to "make it all better" without trying to teach the lesson that if one had payed attention to reasonable, sensible direction nothing bad would have happened.

Oh BTW, if it were a male child I'd be interested to hear the commentary on his crying after being bitten. Unless much has changed since I was a child there would be a lot of "man up" and "big boys don't cry" comments. But since it was a cute little girl all bets are off.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:03 PM

3. I feel sorry for the little girl but would like to

smack her parents. I have been to encounter sessions with monkey, birds, sea lions, dolphins manatees, and stingrays, the companies are always very clear about spelling out the rules and behaviors necessary to keep you safe during the encounters. In fact, we were never even let close to the animals before the trainer went over his/her instructions. These places want to make sure that both the animals and vistors are safe. I 100% believe that audible safety instructions were provided, unfortunately for the little girl, Mom and Dad didn't pay attention. The little girl was too young to realize what could happen when she picked up the plate but Mom and Dad should have. Too much excitement not enough paying attention.

The family does not deserve any monetary compensation. Like any parents who are careless, it is easier for them to blame the facility rather then accept the role they played in this mishap. The parents probably didn't learn anything from it either.

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Response to avebury (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:19 PM

44. Yeah, I don't think SeaWorld should be sued, either.

Come on, man. I can understand it hurt, but this isn't lawsuit material. Her parents could have been a little more attentive.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:03 PM

4. Dolphins don't ask a lot of us humans

Just don't pick up their fucking paper plates!

That's all they ask. One. Simple. Rule.

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Response to htuttle (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:04 PM

5. lol

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Response to htuttle (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:09 PM

9. LOL ...

Had this little girl attended ANY holiday event at the 1StrongBlackMan house where food is served, she would not have had to be told, "Don't move the plate!"

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:21 PM

14. can I like this post? n/t

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Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:07 PM

31. !


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Response to htuttle (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:46 PM

53. Yeah, but check it out: that dolphin is smiling.

He woke up on the wrong side of the pod this morning, and was just looking for a chance to munch on an 8 year old.

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Response to htuttle (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:01 PM

65. LOL!



PB

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Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:12 AM

197. DUZY! lol

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:05 PM

6. Running it through the ole translator ...

Let's see ...

The Thomases say they posted a video of Jillian being bitten in Orlando, Fla., because they weren't satisfied with SeaWorld's response to the incident. "We felt powerless," says Jillian's dad. "We thought, look, we've got this video, let's make it public, and let's try to put some pressure on SeaWorld to make some changes."


Results:

The Thomases say they posted a video of Jillian being bitten in Orlando, Fla., because they weren't satisfied with SeaWorld's response to the incident. "We felt powerless, SeaWorld rejected our $1,000,000 go away money demand" says Jillian's dad. "We thought, look, we've got this video, let's make it public, and let's try to put some pressure on SeaWorld to make some changes to their negotiating position."

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:48 PM

23. I live in the Atlanta area and this video has been shown

repeatedly on our local TV stations. There have been no reports of the Thomases asking for one red cent.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:38 AM

186. +1

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:04 PM

29. +1,000,0000

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:17 PM

75. Exactamundo! If I were SeaWorld, I'd sue them in perpetuity for traumatizing my sea mammals. n/t

 

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #75)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:29 PM

86. Or, better still a rule 11 sanction against them

 

A what...??

Rule 11. It exists under Federal rules and most states. If you bring a frivolous lawsuit, you pay the other side's legal costs.

It needs to be used more often than it is.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #86)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:38 PM

92. I think I like it, despite the fact that our legal system is far too skewed in

 

favor of business over its victims.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #92)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:56 PM

145. With wild animals the owners

are legally responsible for injuries no matter how they happen. If somebody is stupid enough to climb in the lion cage the zoo would be held liable.

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Response to creeksneakers2 (Reply #145)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:03 PM

219. And that is entirely stupid. n/t

 

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #86)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:59 PM

146. Frivolous is a very low standard.

A lawsuit from this would never result in Rule 11 sanctions.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:37 AM

212. +1

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:08 PM

8. Like the lady at Costco told me...

"Just because people have children doesn't automatically make them 'parents'".

I live in a very popular tourist destination and witness a steady steam of Bad Parenting. I have a 1911 Indian with an original sidecar. I have lost count of how many times I have walked out of a bar on our Plaza to find parents taking pics of their little shits while said shits are sitting in - or standing on - the sidecar.

I always light into the parents.

Most common response?

"You ought to have a sign on it if you don't want kids on it."

Next most common response?

"I guess you're one of those people who have a problem with kids being kids."

It's as if there is a Bad Parenting 101 that I haven't heard about. Where do they get that crap?

Those people in the article should have made damned sure that their kid followed the stated guidelines. They sound like the assholes who think their kids have every right to fuck around with my bike which is probably worth more than their house.

Teach your children well, people.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:31 PM

16. I feel your pain

I don't drive anything nearly as interesting, but (some) parents think I really want sticky little handprints all over it, especially after it's been washed and waxed. It's a two-seater, so obviously it's not a mommy-car. It is small and bright red, but it's not a fucking toy.

I have set off the alarm remotely more than once to keep a toddler from being plopped on my hood.

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Response to REP (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:46 PM

21. Oh, you shouldn't have mentioned handprints.

I'm gonna go catatonic.

Tourist town, candy and ice cream.

I have found coffee cups, ice cream cups, and candy wrappers in my sidecar (leather seats) while parked five feet from a waste can.

We leave our helmets in the 'car, the assholes take them out so the little shits can crawl in.

Then they leave our helmets on the pavement.

I am not even going to admit how much the re-paint is going to cost me because the kids simply climb over and into the 'car.

I like your alarm trick. Maybe I'll install one that emits some ghoulish shriek at ear-splitting decibels.

Just sit out on the sidewalk with a glass of wine and wait...

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:05 PM

30. You should follow one of these families

Then take a shit on the hood of their car. Or piss into the radiator. Or both. They should have a sign on their car if they don't want you doing that.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:25 PM

47. Funny you should mention that..

A few times, I have followed some of the more obnoxious ones around the Plaza. I am pretty easy to spot - long hair and beard, bracelets, cuff, and chain around neck, knife at side.

When they ask me if I am following them, I answer in the affirmative and tell them I want to see if there is a sign on the hood of the car that reads "DollarBillHines, please don't jump up and down on my hood".

And I then accompany them around the Plaza. It can get pretty hilarious. GF is a 4th degree Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do. If the asshole gets too hinky with me, I simply mention that it would be damned embarrassing if she kicks his ass in under three seconds.

Those people really piss me off.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:17 PM

42. Mine is a coupe ... If I found a li'l screamer IN my car ...

Well, it wouldn't be pretty. I admire your restraint.

And yes, strangers have asked if Li'l Pantload could sit in my car. WTF? Just because I have an hcap permit doesn't mean I'm harmless (though I am, in the "will not kidnap your kid" sense) and just because I have ladyparts doesn't mean I want kidstink on my leather upholstery, thankyouverymuch.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:24 PM

84. Well. That Indian motorcycle with an original sidecar IS an attractive nuisance. nt

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:37 PM

111. Many parents IMO have no F'ing idea how to raise kids. I see them all the time in grocery stores,

restaurants, airplanes kids yelling their heads off and/or being brats. And what is sometimes annoying the stupid parent standing there like isn't my kid cute.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #111)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:46 PM

115. Yep

I cannot believe how much flack I have gotten for saying that 'parents' should be held responsible for their childrens' actions.

Unreal...

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:17 AM

176. Comeback

"How would you feel if I took pictures of my kids standing on the hood of your car?"

Entitled assholes don't deserve anything better than that.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #176)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:00 AM

194. Better yet. "Where's your car?"

Then go stand on the hood.

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Response to Barack_America (Reply #194)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:36 PM

225. If they're tourists, it's probably a rental

and unless you've got a major bone to pick with all the rental companies, it's probably not a good thing to damage that car.

I'd rather just be rude and make them try to think. It's so much fun watching the smoke curl out of their ears as they try to reboot.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:10 PM

10. Kids get bitten all the time at petting zoos with a single, tiny drop of blood emerging like here


But petting zoos don't have deep pockets.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:11 PM

37. My local Aquarium has a tide pool petting area - 4 kids to reach in and touch star fish, urchin,

other things. Lil girl cut herself somehow. Nothing Aquarium could do to shut the mother up.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:13 PM

12. So long and thanks for all the fish. ( n/t )

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Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:13 PM

38. Damn!! Beat me to it!!! nt

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:23 PM

15. Safety should not depend on an eight year old following instructions

These dolphin/human interactions bring people into contact with intelligent strong wild animals who are cursed with what we anthropomorphize as a permanent smile.

These dolphins are wild captured under brutal conditions and separated from their social group. Their social groups, btw, are not all light and sweetness either.

Dolphins are generally cooperative, but they have complex emotions which we do not fully understand. They do not exist for our entertainment and amusement.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:07 PM

32. Then these experiences will have to go away

 

If eight year olds or 18 year olds or 80 year olds can't be expected to follow instructions, then experiences like this must go away.

And those who would have had an amazing, life changing experience will proceed into the world ingnorant and unchanged.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:22 PM

46. b/c dolphins ain't amazing unless you're throwing squid at 'em in a tank

yep

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #46)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:48 PM

54. Yep

 

And they will just become images on the TV. Unreal and unimportant.

For too long the environmental movement has allowed itself to be about "Saving the pretty animals." We've lost ground and Americans have lost touch with nature. I work with wild animals on a weekly basis. I'm glad to say that the ones I work with are rehabilitation cases meant for release but I have seen the difference that contact with the animals makes on people.

I don't like zoos and I don't like Seaworld but we have to do something to reconnect people to nature and if that means physical contact in experiences like this to inspire the next generation of zoologist, biologists and environmentalists then so be it. People don't know where their food comes from much less how they are connected to other species or that they are connected at all.

Widening the gap between people and nature will only make that worse.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #54)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:54 PM

144. Saving the habitats is what we need. Seaworld should go.

It is not a genuine nature experience. It is visiting a water prison.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #144)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:13 AM

156. So we can all just go visit those habitats, then?

 

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #156)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:38 AM

177. What in the world makes you think they exist for our viewing pleasure?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #177)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:45 AM

204. When did I say that?

 

Do you really think this is about Photo Ops? I can see why - because that's what the environmental movement is based on. "Save the pretties." No, I'm talking about making a tangible, physical connection to nature - something most people in this country no longer recognize they have.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #156)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:59 AM

193. "All" would not go on such visits, nor should they.

Nature doesn't exist for your entertainment. We should be protecting and rebuilding their habitats for the animals that reside there, not for our chance to gawk at them.

There is no reason that every lazy American should feel some matter of right to get to see wild animals from around their globe in animals prisons. Nor should the habitats be made into drive up tourist destinations for all to see.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #54)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:08 PM

237. that's what national geographic is for

i'm no crazy peta person but seaworld is not a frikkin breeding program, it's exploitive.

the swim-with whatever experiences are also creepy.

ecotourism, yes...exploitation, not so much

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:58 PM

118. They SHOULD go away


Do you know how they get the dolphins for these things?

It's not like the dolphins volunteer.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #118)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:10 PM

122. I'm not just talking about Dolphins.

 

I'm talking about all similar experiences. Humans are growing farther away from nature. Take these experiences away and that trend will get worse.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #122)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:27 PM

126. These things have nothing to do with nature

I eat meat, have pets, and am not some commune-dwelling Birkenstock clad mad prophet.


You do not know what you are talking about.

http://www.bluevoice.org/news_dolphinshow.php

Do you know where these dolphins come from?

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In 2009 a documentary entitled “The Cove” was released to great critical acclaim. It won the Academy Award for best documentary as well as a host of other top prizes. It’s content focused on Taiji, Japan and the annual dolphin culling that happens there. The film also explored the connection between the killing grounds at Taiji and the distribution of dolphins from this place to aquariums worldwide.

“The Cove” presents several interviews with Ric O’Barry. He was the man who had captured and trained the dolphins for the television show Flipper in the 1960’s. After seeing his dolphins transferred to aquariums and what it did to them psychologically he has devoted his life to liberating dolphins from captivity.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #122)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:12 AM

198. Huh



Humans are growing 'away from nature', because we are destroying it.

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Response to kwolf68 (Reply #198)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:42 AM

202. It's a vicious cycle

 

First we fled from it, then we tried to dominate it, now we are simply trying to distance ourselves from it. Someday, we will be without it and we will discover how badly we really needed it in the first place.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:20 PM

79. No, common sense should depend on parents not being too stupid to live.

 

Or in this case, being too stupid to realize that their daughter is still too stupid to live.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #79)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:40 PM

131. Cetacean behavior has nothing to do with "common sense"


...and you must be proud to know more than an eight year old.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:19 AM

158. Good post.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:17 AM

199. I agree with this

We shouldn't be surprised when a wild animal behaves like a wild animal, and we shouldn't be surprised when an 8-year-old behaves like an 8-year-old. The problem is the show. It's just a bad idea overall. We capture wild animals to entertain us, and create a show where children interact with them. It's a bad idea.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:58 AM

207. I agree. nt

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:40 PM

18. I don't think the kid was being a brat, she just forgot the rule when she ran out of fish.

 

i think it's a bit stupid of sea world to have this feeding thing with the kids so close to the dolphins, though -- especially with such little kids. it didn't turn out so bad in this case -- but it could have turned out worse. little kids don't always remember rules so well. throwing the fish with a bit more distance would achieve the same fun for the kids, i think.

that said, i'm not sympathetic to a suit over it.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:19 PM

77. Exactly.

It's sad that some people are so willing to be so hard on kids over trivial mistakes, even amongst a small few here at DU........

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #77)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:17 AM

157. agreed. sea world would be well advised to reexamine this arrangement though, because

 

sooner or later there will be a more serious accident. and if that were the case i'd be more inclined to think it suit-worthy. the best thing the parents could do in this case is point out the danger and publicize the need for a set-up that removes the kids some distance from the dolphins.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:23 PM

83. Yeah. If they know it's a problem when they raise the plates, maybe the sea world people could

hand people the fish to give the dolphins.

But no, no law suit.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:47 PM

22. I can't imagine anyone thinking children hand feeding doplhins to be a good idea!

How do people remove the paper plates when they are empty? Do the dolphins have a habit of trying to grab the plate to get all the fish at once?

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:09 PM

34. Why not? I did

 

And it changed my life. Children SHOULD be taught how to interact with other animals, how to do so safely and what happens when they are careless.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #34)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:41 AM

178. Great, how about kids hand-feeding raw meat to the big cats next.

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Response to eShirl (Reply #178)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:48 AM

205. OK, sounds good.

 

If you can manage the situation and keep the cat safe, I'm all for it. Learning how to properly interact with animals is a great experience.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #34)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:43 AM

203. Dog fights are impressive too


This is where your "life changing" dolphin came from:



When you were there, did you ask them where was this dolphin born? Where is the rest of its family?

Dolphins are social creatures who live in large groups with other dolphins. If by "changed your life" you mean that it gave you some kind of appreciation of dolphins, then why did you not express the slightest curiosity about where the one - right in front of you - came from and how it came to be living there, waiting to change your life?

Dolphins don't just say "Hey, pick me" when dolphin hunters are out to make the kind of money they get for trapping them.

Just THINK for a minute about how you would go about taking one of them alive.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #203)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:54 AM

206. 80% of captive dolphins are now born in captivity

 

Seaworld claims to have not collected a wild dolphin in decades.

Again, I'm not just talking about dolphins. I don't like that these dolphins are bred in and kept captive. However, if you are advocating that all human/animal interactions should be banned I disagree with you.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #206)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:27 PM

218. Well that's good to know

Because if you are advocating that every man, woman and child have a live dolphin their bathtub, I disagree with you too.

It's easy to disagree with the products of one's imagination, I suppose.

But I gather that you draw a distinction between the people who kidnap children and lock them in the basement, versus the people who lock their own children in the basement. I mean, as long as they were born in captivity, then it's okay.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:49 PM

24. Zack: They also said dolphins might be smarter than people.

Leonard Hofstadter: They might be smarter than some people.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:53 PM

26. They wanted $100,000 for that incident.

What assholes.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:03 PM

28. What damages have occured that total 100K?

Not a fan of Seaworld but I hope they fight any lawsuit

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:10 PM

35. Hopefully they will fight.

 

Not just for themselves but for smaller organizations who, under the same circumstances would be forced to settle by the insurance company.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:21 PM

81. They won't and the slimy parents will settle for $10,000.00

 

It won't make news but that's what will happen.

No insurance company is going to pay $100,000 for that...none

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Response to former-republican (Reply #81)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:31 PM

87. No, they will pay the lesser of the settlement or the cost to fight

 

And damn them to hell and bankruptcy for their efficiency.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:10 PM

36. Free the slaves and this won't happen!

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #36)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:20 PM

80. Bravo!!!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:14 PM

40. This is a tough one.

Now, while I think the kid will probably be okay and that she certainly could have been a little more careful.......it does hurt to see a few people on here calling her a 'whiny brat'; that kind of harsh thinking is all too common amongst the legions of rightist reactionaries I see all too often on places like YouTube and the Huffington Post, and frankly, it has no place on Democratic Underground. AT ALL.


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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:15 PM

41. I wonder if CPS is involved yet?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021908856

here we have video of the parents more concerned with documenting the kid's "injury" than giving sympathy, I think that kid needs to be in protective custody


just in case:

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Response to Kali (Reply #41)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:20 PM

45. you poor thang

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Response to Skittles (Reply #45)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:21 PM

82. I just want you to kick my ass!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:35 PM

49. OMG! Look at that injury!

 

Hmmm. No blood, nothing broken or even sprained, parents wanting to get the boo-boo on film when even the kid was all "WTF? I'm still scared and all I want is a hug right now!" God forbid these people ever let her get close to an animal of any kind. Animals are not people but I did speak with the dolphin and he said he was really sorry and thought she was trying to feed him when she moved suddenly.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:44 PM

52. The dolphin should have been killed immediately.

 

I hope the girl survives the ordeal.




Counseling is in order .

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Response to former-republican (Reply #52)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:52 PM

57. That's sarcasm, right?

 

I... I think you're being sarcastic. Please tell me you are.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #57)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:59 PM

62. why do you think it's sarcasm?

dolphins are evil!




And whale!

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Response to slutticus (Reply #62)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:00 PM

63. .

 

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Response to slutticus (Reply #62)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:02 PM

66. Because underneath my many layers of misanthropy lies and optimist?

 

Sarcasm is more effectively expressed in person, it doesn't read well in print unless you are very careful.

And if its not sarcasm I may be compelled to say things that could get me booted from DU.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:04 PM

67. What rule did she break? It looks like she was holding something up AWAY from the water while

asking her mom for more fish. That video looks like her parents are right to be mad. How many 8 year old kids follow instructions. SeaWorld should have had a staffer constantly calling out instructions to the children as they feed the Dolphins.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #67)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:20 PM

78. That might have been helpful, IMO.

In fact, maybe if they did that, this would be less of a problem, IMHO.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #67)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:33 PM

91. "How many 8 year old kids follow instructions. " and we lower the bar another notch. n/t

 

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #91)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:55 PM

97. Not lowering the notch. An normal 8 year old does not rationalize as well as a normal 9 or 10

year old or as an adult. The issue is how much the girls has seen or experienced at 8 years old. I am not a parent, but I do have nephews and nieces that are very young, one of the most amazing things in life for me to to occasionally look at one of their reactions to observing something and after thinking for a moment recognize that they had never seen what they observed happen before. Young children have not seen a lot, including a lot of danger, my saying that there needs to be some safeguards to protect them is not placing a lower estimate on their intelligence or humanity.

Could the parents been more proactive in warning their child? Certainly. But I am willing to bet my life that some other person has been bitten when lifting empty plates that had held fish, so SeaWorld could have done more to insure that 8 year olds don't get bitten.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #97)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:10 PM

100. Rationalizing was not necessary.

She was told - specifically - not to do something. Assuming she did not go to Seaworld everyday this was a new experience and she (and parents) should have listened to directions. It really does not matter whether or not she or they "rationalized" the rule, just that they follow a rule in a situation where she/they did not know the environment. She/they failed.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #97)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:42 PM

134. I'm sure she was okay in the morning..

and the Dolphin probably forgot all about it. Only folks randomly typing on DU after-the-fact are incensed

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #91)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:05 AM

150. This is a public amusement, open to any

They get thousands of people through there.

This means that, as any broad population sample, there will be the mentally challenged, blind, deaf, psychopathic, and the panoply of human limitations and pathologies.

You think anyone there had to pass an English test?

This reminds me of the SF Zoo tiger incident. Here's the deal. When you have an amusement comprising wild animals that can cause injury, then it is basic engineering to separate them.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #67)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:03 AM

195. My guess is that she will follow instructions next time

 

unless the parents get $$$ from SeaWorld.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:25 PM

85. Team Dolphin

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #85)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:15 PM

103. +1

But it probably did hurt quite a bit, be she has some freaky nightmares. She also probably can never watch SeaQuest

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:33 PM

90. The Poor Dolphin was Probably More Traumatized than the Kid

 

i dunno.. so much is wrong with this practice...

first and foremost, these animals are not pets; they're not as tame and docile as they appear-- particularly when it comes to food. the kid also turned her back on the dolphin-- stupid. never turn your back on an animal bigger/stronger than you-- so there's a lesson for the kid. too bad she had to learn it the hard way, instead of being taught by her apparently clueless parents.

second, I can't believe SeaWorld allows this-- Brookfield Zoo in Chicago, where I used to go as a kid over forty years ago, stopped the practice of patrons feeding the wildlife-- at least twenty-five years ago.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:43 PM

95. She's lucky she didn't get

Taken under, or a broken arm.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:44 PM

96. I attempted to remove my chihuahua's

 

dog bowl a half a second early. There is a reason they call me "lefty".

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:13 PM

101. Gee, I walked in front of a car and it hit me, who wouldah thought ... no sympathy

from here ...

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:15 PM

102. That dolphin belongs in the ocean, and these dolphin encounter things are fucking stupid.

Every now and then a dolphin kills an adult trainer who presumably knows what they're doing. In those fancypants hotel dolphin swim things they attempt to put baby dolphins in swimmers on a pretty regular basis, which generally brings the swimmers involved a bit closer to drowning than they had planned.

Dolphins are predators. They're strong as hell, they're smart. In the wild they kill sharks. They kill seals. They kill each other. Sometimes they play with the bodies for fun.

They don't exist to amuse your sprogs. Go ride a fucking roller coaster.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #102)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:27 PM

106. Exactly!!! And well said!!!

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #102)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:02 PM

119. +1 n/t

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #102)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:14 PM

124. *applause* A-fucking-men.

LOL! You'll get hatemail for this reality. Haha!

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Response to flvegan (Reply #124)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:37 PM

129. So far none.

Any guesses on whether I'll be accused of hating kids or dolphins first?

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #129)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:43 PM

136. Definitely hating kids.

Considering some of the fantastically STUPID responses to this thread. From idiots, of course.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #102)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:46 PM

139. Agreed. Animals are not here for our entertainment.

I don't see a whiny kid or bad parents. I see a captive animal being treated like a puppet. Zoos are an arcane relic that should be left inthe past.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #102)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:21 AM

159. Brava!

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #102)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 04:48 AM

185. +1

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #102)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:25 PM

224. Touche!

"They don't exist to amuse your sprogs."

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #102)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:38 PM

235. Wow! And you're a mom?

Not at all what I was expecting. Brava!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:37 PM

110. The parents and child were told the safety rules.

The parents failed to supervise the child and ensure that she acted safely. The parents are 100% responsible for this little mishap. They ought to be prosecuted.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:44 PM

113. just so you all know this thread has gone meta

 

Becareful they watching you

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:10 PM

121. The way I look at it....

The girl has a cool story to tell later on (Do you know anybody bit by a dolphin?) and the dolphin has a new paper plate. It's a win-win for everyone!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:22 PM

125. I think the father planned to have this happen. He wanted to video tape the hand

 

The girl didn't want to show the hand, but I think the parents planned the whole thing so they could try to attack seaworld. The child isn't a brat the parents just wanted to make a quick buck.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)


Response to TransitJohn (Reply #142)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:52 PM

143. Good! People shouldn't get near dolphins trapped in tanks.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #143)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:05 AM

151. Come on , don't blame the kid

 

Blame a society that takes beautiful and intelligent creatures and puts them in a tank for our amusement.

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Response to former-republican (Reply #151)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:06 AM

152. I don't blame the kid at all.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:59 PM

147. Child feeds wild animal, makes

sudden move and gets bit by wild animal. This is a surprise for some reason? Wild animals bite, you take your chances when you allow your child to stick their hands near their mouths with food in it. I let my kid feed and pet the dolphins at Sea World. I would not of been happy if he got bit but I wouldn't of blamed Sea World and I sure as hell would not have forced my child to turn her hand around against her will so I could get it on tape. The parents should be happy their child is going to be OK. At least she is still with them since we know from others that sometimes not following instructions/rules is deadly.



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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:02 AM

148. Heres an idea don't keep animals in captivity that were never meant to be kept in captivity

Dolphins are intelligent creatures they weren't meant to be an attraction at an amusement park

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Response to Arcanetrance (Reply #148)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:35 AM

166. Yes, and they should be given freedom.

I used to run into dolphins back in my youth when swimming in the ocean. I used to like to go out beyond the breakers and just float in the sun. Sometimes I attracted some young ones that were curious and wanted to play. I usually headed back for the beach then because even at my young age, I knew they weren't toys.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:04 AM

149. All dolphins and pitbulls should be killed. Like, right now.

People are obviously too fucking stupid to deal with either in any forum. So just have at it. Because that's what we do. As humans.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #149)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:08 AM

153. Squirrels ALSO

 

I don't like them with their beady eyes jumping all round and shit.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #149)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:12 AM

155. Also children. Ever had one of those little shits bite you?

They're a menace and they need to be stopped.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:24 AM

162. Although I am sympathetic, this is kind of an assumed risk when feeding wild animals, and she did

in fact break the rules. I don't think the zoo should, or would, be held liable. I suspect they paid for medical expenses?

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:25 AM

165. Stupid fucking parents...

Father interviewed on TV and said something like, "They didn't have any signs up, or anything..."

Yeah, dumb ass. You needed signs and no personal responsibility. Also, the mom's a really nice liar with, "We're not gonna show anybody!"

YEEAAAHHH.... 15 min of fame and let's see if we can file suite video. Go home and stay away from the African Dog visit in other parks, stupid asses...

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:13 AM

169. What part of "wild" don't people get, even in domesticated animals?

Parents assumed the risk when they let the kid take the plate of food.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:27 AM

171. Meh

It doesn't look like she was hurt that bad. It wanted the plate but got her hand in the process. Scary, sure, but it was not an intentional attack.

They really shouldn't let kids that young feed the dolphins though. You can't ever just hold food out in front of an animal without paying attention. It doesn't matter how well trained they are. Really, I probably wouldn't trust my own dog with an 8 year old and food, and she's the sweetest dog ever. It's just common sense. Animals can be dumb when it comes to food.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:45 AM

179. So long and thanks for all the fish

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:48 AM

181. Theyshouldn't have kids under 16 in those situations. I don't know if the girl was scared or teasing

The dolphin.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:56 AM

187. Family to Seaworld: "It's YOUR fault we didn't follow the rules."

When I saw this yesterday (and watched the video, although without sound, because I was at work), I pretty much figured the kid did something that caused the dolphin to bite.

I think places like this should just end programs like this. I'm tired of animals getting blamed for human stupidity.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:54 AM

189. Nothing more reliable on DU than a little child hate. Glad to see we have not lost our way.

Yeah fucking 8 year-olds should be better trained.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #189)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:06 AM

196. Nah, let's just excuse them when the break safety rules

 

let them just run out in the road or swim where there are "no swimming" signs. I'm sure they will be fine.

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Response to AlexSatan (Reply #196)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:06 AM

209. Young children move extremely fast and

don't always remember instructions. A parent can intervene, but by that time, the initial action has already occurred. Sea World should revise their rules and put in some more age restrictions.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #209)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:46 PM

231. It it was as bad as you describe

 

There would be a lot more flattened kids on the road.

And it is not like the girl is 3 years old.

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Response to AlexSatan (Reply #196)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:42 AM

213. Or we can call them names and insult their intelligence the good ol way

Yeah it sure would be great if EIGHT YEAR OLDS followed rules but I would not suggest letting EIGHT YEAR OLDS be subjected to rules that have penalties of harm.

So no, I would not let an 8 year old unescorted go out in traffic just because I tell them the RULES of how to go out into traffic. I would always have said child firmly by the hand when near traffic. This is how I raised three children past the age of childhood and into the age of reason when they have enough sense to cross the road.

Anyone who thinks an 8 year old can be 100% responsible for their personal safety is a moron or at the very least not a parent.

I do look forward to being told how smart some DUer's 8 year olds are and how their kids always follow all safety rules and have never ever run with scissors even once.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #213)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:50 PM

232. Using that logic

 

8-year olds should not be allowed to walk on sidewalks.

Frankly, I'm not sure why you would take them out in to traffic in the first place, much less go into traffic yourself.

And no, they are not 100% responsible for their safety. And the girls wasn't really hurt but did learn a valuable lesson. If there was a greater chance that she was permanently injured or killed for lifting up the paper, then it might warrant a discussion. But, since thousands do it each year without getting killed or seriously injured, people should be allowed to assume that risk (and yes, they were briefed about the risk)

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:26 AM

200. Dolphin needs to be trained to eat in the wild...

and then an attempt should be made or re-introduce it into the wild. Not used for amusement.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:06 AM

208. The food

should be in containers far back from the wall. You should not be able to pick up the container and hold it over the wall. You cannot expect a child to not forget to pick up the container.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:08 AM

210. This entire process is cruel to dolphins and should be banned.

So boo hoo for all those who participate in this kind of evil. Dolphins belong in the ocean, not in a fish tank serving as toys for overprivileged children.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #210)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:22 PM

217. + 1. Excellent point. nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #210)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:57 PM

228. Going on vacation to Sea World makes one "over privileged?"

I supposed all children should just sit in the mud and play with sticks.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:10 PM

220. People are stupid....

 

and so are dolphins.

Stupid + stupid = 2Stupid.

That is all.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:14 PM

222. What bugs me more about this kid is the way she addressed

her mother. "Mom I'm out of fish" and there is something about the tone that Mom should get on this immediately.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:40 PM

226. It would be funnier if her name was Trillian instead of Jillian.

Because that would be awesomely ironic.



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