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Strikers Have Shut Down Two Of The Most Important Economic Gateways In The World—And It's Costing The US Billions

Strikes in the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach that began last Tuesday are delivering a blow to the U.S. economy.

Clerical workers from the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) Local 63 have been without a contract for 2.5 years, and negotiations between them and the ports broke down last Monday.

The ILWU has accused management of trying to outsource clerical jobs to overseas workers that are paid far less and receive fewer benefits.

Reuters reports that 10,000 dock workers that are members of the ILWU Local 63 are refusing to cross picket lines set up by 500 striking clerical workers, essentially shutting down 10 of 14 container terminals between the two ports.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/economic-impact-of-la-and-long-beach-port-strikes-2012-12

I'd think that anything that slows imports from the Far East would be a good thing, considering the huge trade deficit that the US is running.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:41 PM

1. Horrors. Slowing down iPhone deliveries.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:45 PM

2. OH NOES! WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE HOLIDAYS!!!

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:54 PM

5. This could lead to some great sales in January and February.

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:18 PM

10. It's the war on Christmas

union (socialist) style!

PTxS

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:53 PM

41. Not that Hostess gave a shit.

and certainly did mine as it got closer to dec 4 yrs ago. so why not

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:47 PM

3. Solidarity with the strikers! Hoping this hurts Walmart as well!

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:26 AM

80. Absolutely!!

Solidarity!!!!

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:48 PM

4. K&R Now let's see some sympathy strikes. Workers must unite. n/t

 

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:54 PM

44. usually the strikers

are more reliable on standing still than Democrats against the GOP roadshow.. I only hope this time Democrats ignore it.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:50 AM

84. Are you going to show your support by striking?

I haven't had a pay increase in 3 years, I'm a public employee.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:56 PM

6. Unfortunately, there was a trucker interviewed

 

on NPR who said his Christmas is ruined because he can't get freight to haul.

--- the strike is not a win for everyone.

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Response to jerseyjack (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:07 PM

8. Short term pain, long term gain

I'd eat dirt for Christmas dinner if I thought I would get goose every other year there after.

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Response to TalkingDog (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:55 PM

46. woulda taken a pay cut

if it meant keeping the printing local.

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Response to jerseyjack (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:07 PM

9. So......

They should not strike?

Where do they draw the line?

Which one's better, the trucker doesn't get a good Christmas, or 500 + clerical workers who lose their jobs permanently.



-p

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Response to jerseyjack (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:27 PM

15. So why don't these truckers apply some pressure

to management to bargain in good faith?

Of course they would be a lot more effective if the truckers had a union like they used to.

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Response to sdfernando (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:52 PM

20. Hmmm

The biggest problem with the trucker's statement is that he can go elsewhere to get freight. If not then he can join the strikers as a sympathetic action. Unfortunately, if he's an owner/operator he has ins., truck payment, quarterly individual state taxes, the federal tax and anything he's not making by sitting still will set him back on all of these payments (and there are more than I mentioned) and that is all before he can claim his actual personal wage. It's pretty tough out there for the truckers. If he's a company driver, he's only losing his paycheck, they usually get paid by the mile and rarely are drivers paid by the hour... so if the rig's not rolling, you're not earning a dime and probably spending more than you earn by having to buy food and maybe hotel expenses.

Problem with unionized trucking is that it only applies to company drivers, anyone else is still trying to survive under the same rules and increasing expenses that continue to escalate while the actual pay/mile is not much more than it was fifty years ago. So if the driver owns his rig or drives for an "independent" than he could go find freight someplace else, perhaps, if he has a multi-use trailer. If he has a container-hauler, he's got no choice.

That being said, I hope that there will be a major form of solidarity and that if it should escalate to a general strike kind of series of events, so be it. For those who celebrate christmas should turn their attention to what they can do instead of be ultimate consumers. It might help them get the idea that wasting your hard earned $$ on crap from China isn't the best they can do and, hopefully, they might recognize their role in making the travesty we suffer at the hand of the corporatocracy is what helps feed that damned beast. Could be a catalyst for change... I hope.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:09 PM

29. Cargo ships stack up as Los Angeles port strike in seventh day

The strike has prompted at least 11 freighters to take their cargo to other ports in northern California, Mexico and Panama, according to the nonprofit Maritime Exchange of Southern California, which tracks shipping traffic in the region.

Another 11 ships were waiting at anchorages outside the Los Angeles - Long Beach complex, unable to discharge their cargo, said Dick McKenna, executive director of the Maritime Exchange.
...

The strike at the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, the two busiest container ports in the nation, mark the largest disruption of cargo traffic through the two southern California facilities since a 10-day lockout at West Coast ports in 2002.

The ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach together handled more than $400 billion in goods arriving or leaving the West Coast by ship last year.

The two ports directly or indirectly support roughly 1.2 million southern California jobs - workers involved in moving freight to or from the shipping complex, experts say. That does not count ancillary employment of people hired in restaurants, retail or other businesses that provide various services to those workers.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/03/us-usa-port-losangeles-idUSBRE8B21BH20121203

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:49 PM

63. And near the end of the article

it says that the majority of the goods for the retail cabal, clothing and stuff most will buy for the holidays, has already made it to market and that this is the slower part of the season. Another point made is that the strikers could have had more impact had they decided to start the strike a couple-few weeks ago.

So if that's the case, its impact is mostly isolated to the shipping industry and some periphery rather than the retail industry... also indicating that the majority of holiday shopping won't be impacted by much.

The article also indicates that this is basically container ships involved so it's the container trucks (though the power units detach from the trailers so they can attach to other trailers more suitable to hauling other goods and flatbeds that carry containers can be used for other stuff too) and container shipping industry venues like rail transport. Probably why the pres hasn't been involved yet and is willing to let them work out their issues themselves. It's a pretty concentrated, specialized industry with only a few operators so I don't have a lot of sympathy for the corporations who won't negotiate a fair contract. And I suspect the news service providing the article may be complicit in a fear mongering environment.

Some solidarity would be advantageous in that case since this looks like yet another attempt at union busting... only they can't ship these jobs overseas.

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Response to sdfernando (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:44 AM

75. Remember that companies will try to pit workers against workers.

...so as to weaken bargining discussions. They have done it many times in the past.

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Response to Left Coast2020 (Reply #75)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:27 AM

81. One Big Union

http://www.iww.org

Solves that problem instantly.

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Response to jerseyjack (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:28 PM

16. Do you know anything about the years-long struggle the Longshoremen have been having

with Big Corps, some of them not even American?

The truckers I hope know where to place the blame for their situation.


A whole way of life, not just the living of those on strike, has been threatened for a long time by the greed of the Corporations, and the betrayal of the Longshoremen by their own elected Representatives.


I can't imagine that anyone would be blaming the strikers if they had any idea of what has been going on in relation to why they finally went on strike.

It's sad that the media has not been covering this story over the past several years. I had to go to foreign and other independent media, and to documentaries on TV (not the MSM) to see what has been happening and it is heart-breaking.

The truckers should join the strikers because they too will be affected by the current Predatory Global Capitalism that is destroying the Middle Class in this country.

Imo, they should have done thins long ago. But better late than never.

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Response to jerseyjack (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:07 PM

26. He needs to suck it up!

Everyone benefits when the unions get better pay and working conditions.

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Response to jerseyjack (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:53 PM

43. Did they ask if he's a Teamster? I'm betting not. n/t

 

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Response to jerseyjack (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:12 PM

59. Then he should join the strikers

to fight for better wages. Let's not put the blame on the workers here.

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Response to jerseyjack (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:49 PM

62. yes, it is a win for everyone

"ruined" because he cant buy bullshit "stuff" for his kids. Stuff he needs to keep up with the Jones. Im a blue collar worker just like him, so yes, even us working class can play that game too.

Note that he didnt say he was on the verge of foreclosure. Or wouldnt be able to pay for childcare. Christmas was "ruined". A crazy commercial 'holiday' that has almost zero to do with anything religious in this country. Ruined.

Reminds me of a commercial here a few years ago, against a tax increase for education, where some whiny snots say "mommy we want ice cream" and then she says sorry kids, because of the tax increase we cant afford any.

If you genuinely think that any strike is not a win for everyone - depsite whatever hardships it may bring, then you REALLY need to learn a lot about labor history in this country.

PS: the people who chose to go on strike are also without pay right now - their christmas' are also "ruined". But they all realize that a contract is much more important than spending too much money on shit they dont need for a stupid 'holiday'

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:57 PM

7. Where would we be without our retail/service folk? Wouldn't it be interesting if WalMart's

prime position as the Poster Corporation for Vulturism turned into the equally public national onset of the rights of workers on the lowest rung of the labor ladder to earn a living wage.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:21 PM

11. My daughter is down there looking for work...

at the Union Hall in Long Beach, and she mentioned the strike when I spoke with her yesterday. This is their busiest season, too.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:21 PM

12. yay! solidarity!

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:22 PM

13. So..........

Pay them better if/since they are critical to a billion dollar a day economic puzzle piece enterprise... pay them very well. Keep them happy.

I mean, it's important enough to try to get the President involved, but somehow not important enough to pay these people a decent wage/get good contracts?

Does not make sense.

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Response to mt_big_blue_sky (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:19 PM

31. Read somewhere

their average salary is around 90K

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Response to mt_big_blue_sky (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 04:02 AM

76. Precisely

You hit the nail on the head.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:26 PM

14. Du rec. Nt

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:31 PM

17. I always stand by the Longshoremen

Anytime, anyplace, any port!

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Response to ReRe (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:55 PM

21. Thank you ReRe

 

We do appreciate everyone's support.

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Response to Ya Basta (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:25 PM

35. My grandfather was a longshoreman in Long Beach, CA.

 

I'm in the Carpenter's Union, Local #6 in Hudson County, New Jersey.

Solidarity!

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #35)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:52 PM

40. Solidarity my brother!

 

Woohoo!


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Response to ReRe (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:08 PM

27. Many of the males on my mother's side were longshoremen: Port of Baltimore

 

Solidarity!

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:37 PM

18. This shut-down also slows/stops basic supplies to Hawaii.

 

Everything from food to toilet paper.

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Response to RC (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:08 PM

28. If Hawaiians want better wages and working conditions, I suggest they suck it up! n/t

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:13 PM

51. I take it you have never been there.

 

And do not know any one living there?
I have and I do. And I remember the last time the Longshoremen went on strike. Necessities were getting kinda short.
It's not like you could just find another store somewhere.

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Response to RC (Reply #51)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:49 PM

60. I can accept collateral damage.

Strikes can cause inconvenience, but are absolutely necessary so workers are treated well, instead of like slaves.

So excuse me for again saying Hawaiians should suck it up.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #60)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:39 PM

65. Such empathy for over 1.4 million people.

 

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Response to RC (Reply #65)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:00 PM

66. Oh, so a strike at two ports is going to starve 1.4 million people?

Got a link to back up that claim?

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #66)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:46 PM

70. Those two ports are th majority of trade to Hawaii

It has to do with Matsion

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #70)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:03 AM

71. And this shipping can't detour through other ports?

I think the Hawaiians will survive.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #71)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:07 AM

72. Nope, as I said, it has to do with Matson

Which has monopoly power of all shipping to the islands.

Last time we had issues having access to a PX was like extremely valuable, since the AF flew stuff in.

Matson does most of it's business with those two ports.

It will take a month before people notice in Hawaii and can almost predict a run for...paper and spam.

In fact, every time we have an issue it shows why that monopoly should be broken. For the record, the reason Dole ships to San Diego and not to those two ports is Matson.

I have all kinds of solidarity to this strike, but this is the cliffs notes of an issue going back to the 1950s, before Hawaii became a state.

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Response to RC (Reply #51)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:20 AM

78. There was a time when dems would see that as pro-labor leverage

Even if it wasn't the time Truman tried to break strikes by steel workers during the Korean War.

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Response to RC (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:43 PM

69. Blame the managers

for threatening to outsource workers and leaving the clerks for, what was it two and a half years?, without a contract.

And it's a good opportunity for Hawaii to increase its resilience through locally grown crops and industries. Climate change and the end of fossil fuels are going to disrupt global trade and create shortages. Better to start preparing for it now.

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Response to wickerwoman (Reply #69)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:23 AM

73. Hawaii is pretty self reliant

With fruits, veggies and a few other things. This may be surprising, but this includes cattle and meat. Issues are there for milk, which comes in as dry...

Pork, there are not just locally grown, but feral pigs are hunted regularly.

Hawaii could go self dependent actually fairly easy clothes, well aloha clothing was locally produced and can be spun up fairly fast. (These days some is till island made, but some is made in the usual places and the shock, Dominican Republic, blame Walmart)

Maui onions, if you can find them on the mainland, are great.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:43 PM

19. Yeah, that is the reality with strikes...there is pain

Strikes always hurt the strikers. Strikes always hurt the businesses being picketed. Strikes always have rippled-effect pain on "innocents". Fighting for justice doesn't mean sending a drone in from a comfy office. It means putting your pocketbook and more on the line to make sure the next generation is treated fairly, just like the last generation sacrificed for us.

Strikes are NOT good for individuals, almost no one involved in a strike actually benefits. Strikes are powerful because they are a sacrifice to the future and to society at large. There will always need to be strikes--business periodically needs to be reminded that workers will hurt themselves if necessary to make labor more fair for all.

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Response to Spike89 (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:58 PM

22. Great post.

Thank you.

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Response to Spike89 (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:00 PM

23. +100

 

That's exactly right. When its our turn to put up, its our turn. I don't like not going to work, just like all the rest of my fellow longshoremen and women. But we have what we have because we've had to fight for it, and that struggle unfortunately never ends. So we must always be ready fight and sacrifice to maintain what we got and for the next generation behind us.





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Response to Spike89 (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:26 PM

36. Oh, for the ability to rec replies!

Very good post, Spike

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Response to Spike89 (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:32 PM

37. Preach it brother !! I like it !

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Response to Spike89 (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:54 PM

45. Absolutely correct. I am from a union family.

The success of unions depends on the people's willingness to think forward. It also helps if a lot of people (us) support them vocally and help with necessities when we can and other collective things we can do to make the strikers our first thought every morning and the last thing every night. No badmouthing unions. We all know that we have good and bad Presidents of the US, but nobody thinks we should do away with the presidency; so, always present the good side of unions when you are faced with someone who is bound to tear them down. Unions are the USA!

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Response to Spike89 (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:27 PM

55. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!

& Rec !!!

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Response to Spike89 (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:47 AM

83. Yeah, that nails it. Nice post. n/t

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:03 PM

24. 2.5 years without a Contract!

Corporations/Management had PLENTY of time to,make this right!

But nooooo. The greedy bastards were way to busy lining their 10,000 dollar suit pockets with profits and obscene bonuses, while stiffing their workers!

I say solidarity!

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:06 PM

25. Suck it up! It's high time workers united and stared demanding to be treated right.

Don't like these sorts of disruptions? Maybe the 1% class should stop screwing the workers!

Fair wages, decent benefits including good health care, a proper retirement, safe working conditions, sane hours. Why is that hard?

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:18 PM

30. just wondering

can someone tell me what the strikers current package is and what they want? I read in the LA Times these clericals make $165,000 a year and they have been offered $195,000 (which puts them a lot closer to the 1% than many). What benefits do they not have that they want? It certainly can't be "fair salary"

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Response to allinthegame (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:21 PM

32. What do you mean? I don't understand your question.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:24 PM

34. I understand their question!

...first, I support labor...in most cases.

I believe the question is, what do the workers want...specifically!

And, I would like to know what management/port wants...specifically!

Because all I'm hearing on radio and TV are wild, general things...from both sides.

I tire of the back and forth in all such issues...I, as a non-participant, would still like FACT.

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Response to allinthegame (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:59 PM

47. Do you have a link to that article?

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Response to juajen (Reply #47)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:59 PM

58. I had to look for myself and found one

those numbers are at the bottom.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/30/business/la-fi-ports-labor-20121130

I'm a little surprised.

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Response to allinthegame (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:04 PM

50. They are not striking over wages

It is about the outsourcing of their jobs. When a union member retires or leaves they are not being replaced. That job is then outsourced or turned into a part time job. Union Busting by attrition.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:22 PM

33. DO this poll on the strike!!!!!!

One of our local Los Angeles radio stations (KNX 1070 - CBS), has a poll...who do you BLAME, the workers or management?!?

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/12/03/clerical-worker-strike-enters-7th-day-at-port-of-los-angeleslong-beach/

This morning it was 75% blamed the workers and 25% port management...it's changed to 56% vs. 53%.

Let's see if we can make it more worker friendly!!!!!

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:18 PM

53. Now it's 52.36 blaming management, 47.64 blaming labor.

It's going the right way.

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Response to lob1 (Reply #53)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:54 PM

57. Keeps growing. Like ballot counts.

The clerical workers' union 46.54%

The companies that manage the piers 53.46%

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:37 PM

38. Good time and place to strike.

Nice job ILWU.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:48 PM

39. Sounds like there is good heat in the kitchen to me.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:53 PM

42. K&R

Companies will lose loads of money all because they feel that they absolutely MUST outsource those union clerk jobs. It seems that management in the US doesn't even remember how to improve their bottom lines in ways other than outsourcing jobs or cutting pay/benefits.

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Response to Teamster Jeff (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:16 PM

52. Most likely the clerical jobs are being automated

RFID tags and barcodes on the containers with readers and scanners can keep track of movements and the exchange of electronic shipping records between the business partners can reduce clerical work to almost nothing.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:00 PM

48. Solidarity. nt

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:00 PM

49. Kilo Romeo nt

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:23 PM

54. Now, if they would only break precedent & ship necessities to Hawai'i

In the 20 years I lived there, longshore strikes in California always meant shortages in Hawai'i. Oh yeah, we made jokes about running out of toilet paper, but it was more serious than that. Hawai'i is not and (given the population) cannot be self-sustaining. It is dependent on shipping by sea and air.

Aside from that, I wish the strikers very good luck in their endeavors. Imua!

Hekate

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:50 PM

56. "I'd think that anything that slows imports from the Far East would be a good thing"

Because of course raw materials American workers need for manufacturing jobs are optional?

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #56)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:43 PM

61. Maybe it will make some think opening up the steel plants again isn't all that crazy.

 

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #56)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:24 PM

64. These are mostly container ships, so it isn't bulk raw materials

It could be stuff like auto parts, such as from India for Ford or from China for GM.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:05 PM

67. Well, we know this strike is having an effect - the corporatist scabs have come out of the wordwork.

They're already shitting on this thread.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:09 PM

68. Unions Yes!

Stand strong brothers and sisters!


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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:43 AM

74. then to keep the goods flowing, management needs to up wages and/or benefits

and when wages for one worker go up, that's good for all of us.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #74)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:36 AM

82. The companies offered much higher wages and benefits

"Stephen Berry, lead negotiator for the shipping lines and cargo terminals, said the clerical workers have been offered a deal that includes "absolute job security," a raise that would take average annual pay to $195,000 from $165,000, 11 weeks' paid vacation and a generous pension increase."

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/30/business/la-fi-ports-labor-20121130

As someone up-thread said, it's not about money, it's about union busting by attrition, outsourcing the jobs of those who retire and hiring part-timers (who don't get the same benefits) instead of replacing them with full-time American workers.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:13 AM

77. A nation wide strike is what is needed. This would be the perfect time for

tens of thousnads of people in every state to take to the streets and get fighting mad. Stop sitting behind the computer and bitching. Get up up and do something about the screwing we're getting from the corporations and the rich. I'm willing to lay my body upon the gears and the wheels.

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Response to Hotler (Reply #77)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:07 AM

79. I agree with the nationwide strike, however...

I don't think we need to get out in the streets about it. We can help by sitting at our computers researching who the companies are, and bringing the info back here on DU; we can help by NOT buying the products. Afterall, we want more American products...this is the perfect time to make it happen.
On another note, if we don't help out, we know what will happen...these companies will pass the cost and their loss onto the consumer. Here's a thought; Consumers should go on strike. Thoughts?

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Response to jonesgirl (Reply #79)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:36 PM

87. But I can't do without the latest cheap Chinese junk.

I just can't.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:52 AM

85. Gawd I'm glad somebody kicked this for me to see.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:16 PM

86. Giant Photos Of The Critical Ports In Southern California That Strikers Have Brought To Its Knees

It's top containerized imports are furniture, auto parts, apparel, electronic products, and footwear

It's top containerized exports are wastepaper, scrap metal, animal feeds, cotton, and resins

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/photos-ports-of-long-beach-and-los-angeles-home-of-significant-strikes-2012-12


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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:03 PM

88. An open letter to members of the SEIU 1021 who work at the Port of Oakland

An open letter to members of the SEIU 1021 who work at the Port of Oakland

To our fellow workers,

We understand that this Wednesday, December 5, you will be voting on a contract for your labor at the Port of Oakland. We do not know the details of this contract, and only you can decide if what they offer is worth your labor at this point in time. However, as people who have and will continue to fight alongside you, we would like to respectfully ask that you consider some points before you cast your ballot.

The entirety of this letter is to argue that you are in a position of great power in this situation that is unparalleled in recent history.

The strike action taken at the Port of Oakland on Tuesday, November 20 was powerful. The Port Commission was undoubtedly shaken by your willingness to withhold your labor, the fierce support of your coworkers on the ports, and the larger community. The fact that they wanted to revisit negotiations after nearly a year shows that they do not want this type of tactic to continue or to escalate. This is still the most powerful weapon that an organized workforce has. We were glad to help organize and carry through two shut downs at the Port of Oakland last year. This collaboration and solidarity is quite obviously a threat to those who profit from the work that we do.

The nearly monumental battle of Longview, WA and the port shutdowns waged by the Occupy movement have clearly shifted the dynamic between workers and their employers. There have been unprecedented actions taken by workers nationwide. Even Walmart is facing uprisings of workers, despite their tireless preparation and dedication to quashing any organizing efforts before those efforts even start. Workers in Chicago occupied their workplace and won an opportunity to form a cooperative of the same company that threatened to close and leave them jobless. Food workers at the Oakland airport are fighting for their right to organize and gain a wage which is legally obligated to them. Pleasanton’s Castlewood Country Club, ended a years-long lockout and are bending to the power of the workers. There was success in getting people back to their jobs at Pacific Steel in Berkeley. Port truck drivers in Seattle staged wildcat strikes in a bold organizing push. You don’t have to look too hard to find workers standing up and bosses backing down (at least as much as they need to quiet workers’ unrest).

LA/Long Beach, the largest Ports on the west coast, are currently being held at standstill by striking clerical workers with the support of their coworkers on the ports. Northewestern Longshore workers, joined by a host of organizers and activists, are poised to strike over the grain handling contract. These particular situations make the Port of Oakland even more vulnerable to your efforts and needs. Ships intended for ports in turmoil will be rerouted to other ports on the same coast. As you can see, there are not many options left on our coast. Those who profit most from your work are facing a serious problem if the Port of LA/Longbeach and the Port of Oakland are brought to a halt at the same time. If the ports in the Pacific Northwest were also blocked, picketed, or slowed down, there would be a potentially catastrophic situation for the capital that feeds Wall Street on the Waterfront.
As if this weren’t enough, the Port Commission has had no success in veiling the corruption that is at play with money made possible by your labor and rightly belonging to the community that harbors this industry. While port officials are out philandering and hemorrhaging money generated from our port, they are closing our children’s schools, cutting social programs and waging an all out attack on funding for our communities. This is one of the more reprehensible moments of Oakland’s social elite’s flaunting their power and greed on the backs of and at the expense of the rest of us.

We hope that you will feel, as we do, that the Port Commission is in no position to be offering anything less than what your labor is worth. You are, in fact, in the position to organize for wage increases, better conditions, benefits, etc. and you should: we all would. Should you be inclined, you are also in a position to consider ways in which you could more adequately control your workplace, work environment, and what happens with the many, many millions of dollars that your labor generates. There are masses– many more than have come thus far– ready to stand with you should you push on. We know that your fight is our fight. Do not be undersold by your union leadership, who for various reasons can be overly focused on the task of reaching a settlement. This day belongs to you, the workers: please consider the possibilities afforded by your current leverage. Accept no concessions or meager gains. Fight for a life you want to live.

Respectfully,

Some folks who have organized with port workers, helped shut down the ports three times, stood shoulder to shoulder with you on November 20, and will stand with you again

http://portsolidarity.wordpress.com/2012/12/04/an-open-letter-to-members-of-the-seiu-1021-who-work-at-the-port-of-oakland/

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:01 PM

89. Kick for visibility........

and solidarity. I love my ILWU brothers and sisters. They are the model for what a union SHOULD be.

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