Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:20 PM
Omaha Steve (35,839 posts)
I don't usually mention God on the DU to respect others beliefs, this is a very rare exceptionI don't mind passing this along.
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47 replies, 1790 views
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| Omaha Steve | Dec 2012 | OP | |
| hrmjustin | Dec 2012 | #1 | |
| datasuspect | Dec 2012 | #32 | |
| hrmjustin | Dec 2012 | #36 | |
| sheshe2 | Dec 2012 | #2 | |
| blkmusclmachine | Dec 2012 | #3 | |
| DavidDvorkin | Dec 2012 | #8 | |
| sarcasmo | Dec 2012 | #34 | |
| WinkyDink | Dec 2012 | #41 | |
| CaliforniaPeggy | Dec 2012 | #4 | |
| yortsed snacilbuper | Dec 2012 | #5 | |
| leftyohiolib | Dec 2012 | #6 | |
| NoOneMan | Dec 2012 | #7 | |
| AlexSatan | Dec 2012 | #45 | |
| Mr. Blue Sky | Dec 2012 | #9 | |
| HERVEPA | Dec 2012 | #10 | |
| Brickbat | Dec 2012 | #11 | |
| roody | Dec 2012 | #12 | |
| Luminous Animal | Dec 2012 | #13 | |
| Skip Intro | Dec 2012 | #14 | |
| HERVEPA | Dec 2012 | #16 | |
| 99Forever | Dec 2012 | #15 | |
| MrSlayer | Dec 2012 | #17 | |
| scarletwoman | Dec 2012 | #18 | |
| whatchamacallit | Dec 2012 | #20 | |
| nomorenomore08 | Dec 2012 | #19 | |
| Democracyinkind | Dec 2012 | #27 | |
| frankroberts | Dec 2012 | #21 | |
| NYC Liberal | Dec 2012 | #22 | |
| Lex | Dec 2012 | #23 | |
| Omaha Steve | Dec 2012 | #24 | |
| Bluenorthwest | Dec 2012 | #26 | |
| Omaha Steve | Dec 2012 | #29 | |
| 11 Bravo | Dec 2012 | #47 | |
| dlwickham | Dec 2012 | #39 | |
| sarisataka | Dec 2012 | #40 | |
| Skidmore | Dec 2012 | #25 | |
| GeorgeGist | Dec 2012 | #28 | |
| jwirr | Dec 2012 | #30 | |
| datasuspect | Dec 2012 | #31 | |
| msanthrope | Dec 2012 | #35 | |
| datasuspect | Dec 2012 | #37 | |
| msanthrope | Dec 2012 | #42 | |
| white_wolf | Dec 2012 | #33 | |
| LiberalAndProud | Dec 2012 | #38 | |
| tkmorris | Dec 2012 | #43 | |
| VOX | Dec 2012 | #44 | |
| roody | Dec 2012 | #46 |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:24 PM
hrmjustin (9,147 posts)
1. Thank you for posting this. It touched me very much.
Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:48 PM
datasuspect (25,879 posts)
32. very moving
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like a bowel movement
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Response to datasuspect (Reply #32)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:52 PM
hrmjustin (9,147 posts)
36. That is nice my friend.
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:37 PM
blkmusclmachine (2,870 posts)
3. Politics + religion = 9/11
Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #3)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:59 PM
DavidDvorkin (12,071 posts)
8. Yes.
Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #3)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 01:02 PM
WinkyDink (37,067 posts)
41. Yes---Bushco's worship of Mammon.
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:38 PM
CaliforniaPeggy (103,999 posts)
4. That's beautiful, my dear Omaha Steve...n/t
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:40 PM
yortsed snacilbuper (1,019 posts)
5. god, protect me from your followers!
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:43 PM
leftyohiolib (3,130 posts)
6. um.. im sure it wasnt meant likes this but...
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this says to me that unless i die in combat for (the u.s. i asume) that im incapable of teaching my daughter the true nature of giving?( maybe not die although that's the impression i get since the person who was in those boot arent anymore) i know this is meant to be uplifting or feel-good and im sure the op meant it that way but i cant help feeling that this is at the expense of those who didnt enlist.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:54 PM
NoOneMan (1,664 posts)
7. I touch me very much
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:06 PM
Mr. Blue Sky (24 posts)
9. The "true nature of giving" has nothing to do with God
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Santa Claus, patriotism or sacrifices by the armed forces. Most people who feel a connection or empathy towards other people are quite capable of giving when the circumstances warrant. "The true nature of giving" can't be taught... it's part of our humanity. To give credit to God, the military or Santa Claus is selling ourselves short.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:06 PM
HERVEPA (2,606 posts)
10. Shouldn't need an invisible cloud being to teach it to you
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:08 PM
Brickbat (14,413 posts)
11. That's...pretty bad.
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I think Santa's beyond that kind of thing, myself.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:12 PM
roody (7,500 posts)
12. Am I missing the sarcasm?
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Santa worships the military?
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:23 PM
Luminous Animal (17,325 posts)
13. I have a lot of respect for you Steve but I think that is simply awful...
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Do we have to drag the military into everything?
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:27 PM
Skip Intro (17,993 posts)
14. K&R. I thank God daily, for many things. No problem saying so. nt
Response to Skip Intro (Reply #14)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:51 PM
HERVEPA (2,606 posts)
16. The wars his believers inspire?
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:41 PM
99Forever (5,168 posts)
15. Nice to see I'm not...
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... the only one who finds this graphic to be insulting. Both from the perspective that it glorifies war and that magical beings are required to teach us what the true nature of anything is.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:59 PM
MrSlayer (21,355 posts)
17. I find this sort of thing ridiculous and offensive.
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Santa genuflecting (worshipping?) to the military teaches the true meaning of giving?
The idea that some poor kid dying just to make some rich asshole richer teaches us anything worthwhile is ludicrous. That we should be thanking a supposedly loving deity for teaching us this is offensive. You probably should have stuck to your original way of doing things. |
Response to MrSlayer (Reply #17)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:09 PM
scarletwoman (25,192 posts)
18. +1,000!
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Thank you for saying this with more grace and tact than what I was about to post.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:13 PM
nomorenomore08 (4,268 posts)
19. I understand why this was posted. I also understand why it's taking a beating.
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In my case, both having had family in the military - including an uncle who died in Vietnam, 17 years before I was born - and believing that nearly every American military engagement post-WWII has been a mistake, I feel an ambivalence toward the subject that can't be captured in soundbites or snark.
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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #19)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:32 AM
Democracyinkind (2,214 posts)
27. Very well said. NT
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:21 PM
frankroberts (32 posts)
21. what crap nt
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:23 PM
NYC Liberal (15,600 posts)
22. Why not thank the individuals directly?
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"Thank you to those who teach us the true nature of giving."
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:23 PM
Lex (32,247 posts)
23. Almost as good as the one on Facebook with Santa kneeling at the manger
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Last edited Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:25 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) with tiny baby Jesus inside. I forget the caption on that one but I missed that part in the Bible where Santa was there.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:07 AM
Omaha Steve (35,839 posts)
24. I remember now why I don't mention God on the DU
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It will be a long time before I do it again. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #24)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:12 AM
Bluenorthwest (24,177 posts)
26. That's some dishonest framing that is beneath you. You did not 'mention God' you
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posted an image in which Santa is bowing to a military alter and words which imply that God supports war and in particular OUR wars while also stating that the only act of giving is to die in a war under command from folks you are coloring with the rights of the divine.
Really self serving to say that was simply 'mentioning God'. |
Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #26)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:32 PM
Omaha Steve (35,839 posts)
29. I made my reply first thing after I got up
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The OP was a simple reminder of those that have died in service to the US at this time of year. Nothing else to me. Santa is a myth. Sorry Virginia. War dead aren't a myth. I didn't support the invasion for the weapons of mass deception. I do support the troops that go where they are told to serve. I don't believe our country does enough for those in the service. Things have gotten better for them since Obama was elected. Ask Tammy Duckworth. Besides war dead there are those that die of training accidents. Or simple car accidents. Happened to a friend of mine from high school over 30 years ago in Cuba. It wasn't intended to imply God supports our wars. There were plenty of endless wars mentioned in the bible. And it was certainly implied god took sides in many of those. To imply the only true gifts are those in war was certainly not my point. I didn't realize this would be so misunderstood. If I had a Delorean that goes 88 MPH, I'd not make the post. OS |
Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #29)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:40 PM
11 Bravo (15,457 posts)
47. I understood what you were trying to say, Steve.
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As for those who either don't get it, or simply need to pretend to be offended in order to maintain their "hipper-than-thou" righteous lefty cred, well ... fuck 'em.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #24)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:54 PM
dlwickham (735 posts)
39. don't let the assholes stop you from posting what you want
Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #24)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:59 PM
sarisataka (2,166 posts)
40. Some cannot see past their eyes
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I understand your message perfectly. Thank you.
Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.George S. Patton |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:39 AM
Skidmore (29,031 posts)
25. Steve, that is
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Last edited Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:41 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) a little much.
Why not a picture of something with symbols of those who give without participating in endless wars? A lot of what makes us free involves prosocial behaviors within our nation--the willingness to reach beyond disagreements to work together for a common good. Being a soldier in the post-Vietnam War era is a choice for a career. It is the same sort of choice that cops, firemen, and EMTs make. The same choice that a teacher, a healthcare worker, a counselor or therapist, or an prosecutor/attorney makes or even the person who walks down a dark street to get to work at a local store. These people all help preserve the social fabric of our nation. This warrior class notion is hyperbole, in my honest opinion. We are all parts of the whole--those who fight on the front lines of education, healthcare, civil rights, or just to keep the utilities running. Just also want to note that my response is not about you mentioning God but I really cringed at that picture for other reasons, some of which I have articulated above. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:15 AM
GeorgeGist (9,545 posts)
28. That's some sick shit!
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:40 PM
jwirr (20,914 posts)
30. That is absolutely beautiful. Very deep meaning to me.
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:47 PM
datasuspect (25,879 posts)
31. That makes no fucking sense
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they need elvis on horseback in the background plus a crying eagle with the american flag superimposed on its head.
i would love to smack the living shit out of the moran who came up with that. |
Response to datasuspect (Reply #31)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:51 PM
msanthrope (16,505 posts)
35. You forgot an image of the Twin Towers, and a black velvet backing. nt
Response to msanthrope (Reply #35)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:52 PM
datasuspect (25,879 posts)
37. oh yes, definitely the twin towers
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with firemen and cops crying on their knees too.
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Response to datasuspect (Reply #37)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 01:08 PM
msanthrope (16,505 posts)
42. And the metal "cross" support beams. If only I could get the Franklin Mint to put that
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on a Collector's Plate--we'd be rich!!
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:49 PM
white_wolf (5,722 posts)
33. Yay more praise for the military. Just what we need in this country.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:53 PM
LiberalAndProud (9,900 posts)
38. God, Santa and the glory of war -- all three.
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Last edited Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:54 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Seems right, somehow.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 01:20 PM
tkmorris (9,326 posts)
43. I am losing my faith in humanity
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You posted a graphic depicting two myths and a shrine to gratuitously worshiped exploited kids. Worship we usually only engage in BTW because it deflects attention from the sick, perverted ways in which we abuse them. And you think the negative feedback you received is because you were "misunderstood"? Because you "mentioned God"?
Fuck me raw... |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 01:22 PM
VOX (15,714 posts)
44. While your intentions are good, this image is like Norman Rockwell on nationalistic acid...
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Of course the sacrifices of our troops everywhere are appreciated, sometimes beyond words.
But an image that merges Santa Claus with war and death, AND the flag? Sorry, but it's a vulgarity on multiple levels. In fact, it cheapens the contributions of those who gave everything. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:31 PM
roody (7,500 posts)
46. I've generally love your posts. I
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firmly believe in the separation of church and state. My now right-wing fundamentalist wacko dad used to believe in it too. The photo blends church and state.
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