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Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:33 AM

 

So when are we going to end this illegal, immoral war and bring ALL the troops home?

"It is amazing to watch politicians trying to weasel their way around their promises. President Obama is providing us with a good illustration of the art.

During the latest presidential campaign and in the final televised debates, both Obama and Vice President Joe Biden were adamant in asserting that the US would be leaving Afghanistan and ending the war in that country at the end of 2014--a goal most Americans profoundly want. Biden, in a heated debate with his Republican opponent Paul Ryan, said the US would “absolutely” be “out” of Afghanistan at the end of 2014. Obama, a week later, said, “By 2014, this process of transition will be complete and the Afghan people will be responsible for their own security."

I’m reminded of President Clinton, a lawyer who, when pressed under oath by a special prosecutor hounding him over the details of whether he had had sex with a young White House intern, said that the answer hinged on “what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.”

This past weekend, it was reported that Obama and the generals at the Pentagon are planning on keeping at least 10,000 US troops stationed in Afghanistan indefinitely after that 2014 deadline for ending the war and withdrawing from that war-torn land."
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/12/02-0

According to the deal that Obama and Karzai signed last May, we're going to be stuck in the mire of Afghanistan until 2024 in what is quickly becoming a generational war. Sons will go over there to fight as their fathers rotate home. Nor is this going to be some relatively stable stalemate such as we have in the Korean cease fire. Nope, our troops will not be taking the occasional potshot at the other side, or brief fire fights once a decade. In Afghanistan, our troops will continue to be involved in active fighting, suffering injury and death for at least ten more years.

Ten more years that we will continue to pour money down a rathole while our country continues to fall apart. We've already wasted billions upon billions of dollars while we here at home suffer. How much longer must we put up with this insanity?

It is also a matter of promises made and promises broken. Obama has promised, for a long time now, that he would end the war in Afghanistan and bring the troops home by 2014. Hell, even after he broke that promise by signing us up for ten more years, out on the campaign trail he continued to use that lie of bringing the troops home by 2014.

So I guess that endless war is another issue that both parties have in common, another way that that both parties are drawing closer together. Of course, since the Vietnam war, both parties have been in a contest to prove who is the bigger war hawk. We no longer have any organized voice for peace in our nation's capitol, just a few lone voices like Kucinich and Sanders, voices that are becoming fewer all the time.

The sad thing is, the people in this country don't seem to care. The group that I've protested with, week in and week out for over a decade, has gotten smaller and smaller. We don't see articles or pictures of the war, it is forgotten and ignored. I have to wonder, will I wind up being a singular old man in my eighties, many years from now, the only one who is still protesting the war?

Yet this ongoing war effects all of us all of the time. There is the issue of money, just think what we could do with the money we would save if we completely ended the war and brought all the troops home. Tens of billions for education and infrastructure, creating jobs and boosting our economy.

Think of the other, more human costs of helping our soldiers as they continue to come home, damaged inside and out, for untold years in the future.

Finally, what is the cost to US prestige and reputation in the world? An endless war for no real purpose can't help but piss off millions of people, not just in Afghanistan, but in the wider world. We're not invincible, as 9/11 showed. Think of the blowback of an endless, illegal, immoral war.

It is time for Obama to fulfill all these promises he has made. No weasel words, no cute tricks of semantics and such. It is time for Obama to bring every single soldier home, leave every single square inch of the Afghanistan/Pakistan region, ground every plane and drone and end this war completely and entirely, by 2014 or sooner.

If he does not do this, he is a liar, a fraud, and frankly a war criminal, and the complacent Democratic party will be in the same category by association and assent. Neither will be worth supporting if they do not fulfill the promise that they made, both in letter and in spirit.

End the war, fully, completely, bring every single soldier home.

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dkf Dec 2012 #1
MadHound Dec 2012 #2
mike_c Dec 2012 #3
99Forever Dec 2012 #4
Igel Dec 2012 #5
Ichingcarpenter Dec 2012 #6
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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:44 PM

1. Maybe about the time they need the troops for Syria.

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:47 PM

2. Or scarier yet, Iran.

 



Perpetual war, oh boy.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:29 PM

3. war is our primary export and the basis for our domestic economy....

In the U.S. the statements "we need more jobs" and "we need to start more wars" are equivalent.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:35 PM

4. Yes, yes, yes.

And yes.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:29 PM

5. It's not that different from what he wanted with Iraq.

The 2008 SOFA said "everybody out by 2011" and he came back with the offer to keep several thousand troops in Iraq.

al-Maliki said no to Obama. So Obama is praised because he was forced to keep the promise that * made. Odd sort of virtue, that, but in politics you take what you can get.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:56 PM

6. War, Fear and Prisons are the new Economics

For the US

You might fuck things up with a post like this

Your lacking of ethos for the one percent is showing.

Its good business and the public pays for it.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:00 PM

7. As soon as they can convince people that we didn't lose it....again.

And, that the price in lives and fortune were somehow worth it. And, that looking "tough" is honorable and desirable.

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