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Sat Dec 1, 2012, 07:24 PM

Some communities are cracking down on people sleeping in their vehicles.

Winter problem: More homeless are living in cars

Some communities are cracking down on people sleeping in their vehicles.

BATTLE CREEK, Mich. Phil Bell sleeps under three sleeping bags and two blankets in the back seat of his 1998 Buick. He parks outside truck stops and stores that are open 24 hours and rarely turns on his engine.

"You can't leave the car running because it calls attention to you and burns too much gas," he explains. "Being in the car is better than being outside or in a tent, but it gets really cold."

Bell, 39, has been homeless since September. He was laid off by a Detroit auto parts maker and couldn't pay his rent. He loaded his possessions into his car and took off. He made it this far and is looking for work here.

"I'm lucky," Bell says. "At least I've got the car. Most people out here on the streets don't have anything."

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Some communities are cracking down on people sleeping in their vehicles. The City Council in Rancho Santa Margarita, Calif., this spring approved penalties for anyone sleeping in their vehicle on city property, including streets.

Council member Jesse Petrilla voted against the measure. "If someone is down on their luck, I believe the last thing they need is a $1,000 fine or six months in jail," he says. People who are tired or intoxicated, he says, pose less danger to themselves and others if they sleep in their vehicles.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/01/homeless-living-in-cars-winter/1738363/

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Reply Some communities are cracking down on people sleeping in their vehicles. (Original post)
Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 OP
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #1
TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #2
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #3
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #5
Tikki Dec 2012 #6
hunter Dec 2012 #12
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #19
Tikki Dec 2012 #25
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #16
Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #7
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #17
Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #20
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #26
libdem4life Dec 2012 #4
undeterred Dec 2012 #8
SDjack Dec 2012 #9
TygrBright Dec 2012 #10
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #11
zappaman Dec 2012 #13
liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #14
zappaman Dec 2012 #22
tammywammy Dec 2012 #15
zappaman Dec 2012 #21
Posteritatis Dec 2012 #23
zonkers Dec 2012 #18
zappaman Dec 2012 #24
zonkers Dec 2012 #28
Quantess Dec 2012 #27
Tsiyu Dec 2012 #29

Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 07:31 PM

1. Down on your luck, then they beat you down further. Nice ... n/t

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 07:34 PM

2. Evil

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 07:41 PM

3. Another example of the evil that is California. That's 1 of the biggest reasons I, reluctantly, left

 

Stupid and incredibly selfish people got me out of there and now I'm looking to get out of this country for the same reason.

I know they're everywhere, but I refuse to believe that they are the majority everywhere.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 07:45 PM

5. I find this a very peculiar country. And more so each day. n/t

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 07:47 PM

6. And yet Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo allow some to sleep in their vehicles..

and other cities do, too.
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/state&id=8802853

http://www.kcoy.com/story/18952083/homeless-allowed-to-sleep-in-their-cars

Sorry you had a mean experience with California..in my reality it is the kindest place I have ever experienced.


Tikki

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Response to Tikki (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 09:58 PM

12. These are recent initiatives.

Years ago, early 'eighties, I used to get all sorts of crap for sleeping in my car. My worst experience was Santa Monica. In another city (I won't name it) I ended up in a church parking lot. The pastor and the church community offered me somewhat better digs but I wasn't in a place where I could accept help. Real men support themselves and all that crap. But being able to park my decrepit car in a place where the police didn't harass me every night was, yes, literally a Godsend. After a few weeks living in my car I found work and was able to afford a room. But I can't say the room was much better than my car. My housemates were "interesting." I could write a novel. Some of them stole stuff too. Fortunately I didn't have much.

I still think the USA should have the sort of social safety net where anybody, absolutely anybody, from crazy freaks like I was, or drug and alcohol addicts, or just plain mean fuck lazy misfits, absolutely anybody simply by virtue of being human, ought to have a clean safe place of refuge.

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Response to hunter (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:08 AM

19. Absolutely. That this is even a debate says how fucked up we are. n/t

 

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Response to hunter (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:14 PM

25. Recent or not...they exist NOW and benefit many homeless...many whom..

are single women, some with jobs or income and are trying to save up enough for
a first/last, deposit on housing.

San Luis Obispo just enacted their homeless safety initiative based on the success of the Santa Barbara
model. I predict more communities well do this, also.

California is becoming even more Liberal and more socially conscious.


Tikki

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Response to Tikki (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:00 AM

16. Oh, it's certainly not everywhere, but over the years I did live there it saw become more and more

 

prevalent. People just got nastier and meaner and cared less and less. Then the neighborhood committees started and the enforced conformity followed. Soon it was like open warfare where this faction decided that they had a right to dictate how their neighbors lived.

One friend was actually forced to paint her bright red door brown because a few people that moved into her neighborhood years after she bought her house decided that it didn't fit in with their idea of what impression the street should make. Mind you this was a quaint, old neighborhood in one of the canyons in the Hollywood hills, not some planned, gated community.

From harassing the homeless to actively trying to run people out of their own neighborhoods. I watched it spread across LA and into Ventura county. I hope you don't ever see it in SLO, but the assholes just ruined my adopted hometown.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 07:47 PM

7. WTF?

The article mentions ONE California town. This is hardly ALL of California. And to describe all 33 million of us as "incredibly selfish people" is somewhat unrealistic, don't you think? Don't bother to answer. It's rhetorical.

ETA: "Fresno Officials Unveil Apartments for the Homeless"
http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/11/19/3072415/fresno-officials-unveil-apartments.html

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:04 AM

17. It's not ONE town, that's the problem. Another, is rabid overreactions and adamant refusal to see

 

what is happening all over the state. Have you ever even been in downtown LA? Have you seen what's been done to the Haight?

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:56 AM

20. Yes, I've been downtown L.A.

I was born and raised in L.A. and not the nice parts (Compton, Lynwood, Cudahy, Bell). Yes, I've been to the Haight. I don't understand your point. You talk about "overractions" at the same time you're accusing 33 million people of identical behavior. And you seem not to see the irony here.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:28 PM

26. You're the one that somehow concluded I said all Californians are evil. I didn't write that,

 

nor did I imply it. Do you see that it is getting worse since the the 60s?

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 07:44 PM

4. Open the Armories.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 07:55 PM

8. I talked to a woman who was homeless

and she was living with her two dogs in her truck. Did not want to go to a shelter because she couldn't bring the dogs. But she found a 24 hour service station where they let her park every night in exchange for mopping the floors. They let her use the bathrooms any time she wanted and park overnight. No cash exchanged. I guess if someone can make a deal like that its a big help.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:44 PM

9. Give the poor power drills so they can open the

doors of the church buildings and sleep in them.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:57 PM

10. How dare anyone be poor and homeless! Let's punish them so they'll stop. n/t

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Response to zappaman (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:14 AM

14. WTF does that

have to do with anything in this thread?

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Response to liberalhistorian (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:48 PM

22. It has everything to do with the OP

Can you answer my question?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:19 AM

15. What does a two year old story about RVs have to do with the OP? n/t

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:47 PM

21. It has everything to do with the OP

And it still happens here all the time.
People living in motor homes and dumping their waste onto the streets.
Wasn't the OP about people living in vehicles?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:50 PM

23. Dumping waste into the street is already illegal. This law is pure don't-wanna-see-the-poor. (nt)

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Response to zappaman (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:08 AM

18. Sleeping in RV on streets is not the same as sleeping in cars. I have seen

a small RV dump it's shit at a self wash car wash at two in the morning. It was disgusting. I was in the next wash stall and suddenly I was overcome with stench.

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Response to zonkers (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:50 PM

24. That's true....and illegal.

Some people live in cars, some in RVs.
Many RVs don't want to drive the 2 miles south to empty their tanks legally and sanitary, so they just dump on the street.
People in cars often use a bucket for solid waste and a bottle for urine. You can find urine bottles all around my neighborhood.
It's disgusting.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:46 PM

28. FYI, this was actually in Venice, CA.

FYI, ever since L.A. lost a lawsuit with the ACLU, they give homeless folks a wide berth in general. That's what I heard.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:10 PM

27. Sad.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:50 PM

29. I wish all politicians were like Petrilla

compassionate and pragmatic about the issue of poverty.

Does anyone know if the for-profit prisons are advocating and lobbying for these manners of criminalizing poverty? They've practically criminalized everything else poor people do.

Is this an effort to fill the prisons so the rich for-profit prison demons can have more filthy lucre?

Curious about that....

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