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Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:53 PM

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Reply War on Christmas (cartoon) (Original post)
marmar Dec 2012 OP
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #1
saidsimplesimon Dec 2012 #8
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #10
saidsimplesimon Dec 2012 #12
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #13
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #2
xtraxritical Dec 2012 #3
We People Dec 2012 #22
dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #4
TahitiNut Dec 2012 #7
dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #9
deutsey Dec 2012 #28
Towlie Dec 2012 #36
MessiahRp Dec 2012 #29
Nay Dec 2012 #32
RVN VET Dec 2012 #34
handmade34 Dec 2012 #5
D Gary Grady Dec 2012 #14
xxxsdesdexxx Dec 2012 #15
AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #20
MessiahRp Dec 2012 #30
Ghost in the Machine Dec 2012 #23
jamtoday Dec 2012 #25
baldguy Dec 2012 #27
Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #6
Flatpicker Dec 2012 #11
reACTIONary Dec 2012 #16
handmade34 Dec 2012 #17
Flatpicker Dec 2012 #18
Chico Man Dec 2012 #33
Flatpicker Dec 2012 #38
uponit7771 Dec 2012 #19
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #21
Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #24
Mustellus Dec 2012 #26
Historic NY Dec 2012 #31
PatrynXX Dec 2012 #35
ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #37

Response to marmar (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:53 PM

1. I like it

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:19 PM

8. nadin, please tell Mika, I only watch "Morning Joe" for entertainment.

The only serious conversations on that show occur when she, or her father, are allowed to express any newsworthy content. Also, I appreciate her support, and willingness to hang out with these troglidites.

(My thanks for advise to avoid Ambian for my sleepless nights.)

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:39 PM

10. She's no family

Brzezinski is the Smith of Poland.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:44 PM

12. sorry nadin, should have known better, I'm the brock of a world wide family.

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:47 PM

13. No problem

Dad had some fun with border protection when Zbigniew was part of the Carter administration. It was for the same reason.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:56 PM

2. K&R

 

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 03:36 PM

3. I don't see any cartoon and it's finished loading?

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:03 AM

22. I see no cartoon either - could someone please provide a link?

Or are xtracritical and I the only ones who can't see it? I'd really like to see a cartoon on this subject!

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 03:39 PM

4. What is the name of your Federal Holiday December 25th.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:14 PM

7. Saturnalia.


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Response to TahitiNut (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:25 PM

9. As you well know

its Christmas Day. If you think it should be named otherwise then I can only suggest you make represenations to the relevant authorities over there.

Good luck with that.

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Response to TahitiNut (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 07:22 AM

28. Io Saturnalia!

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Response to TahitiNut (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:03 PM

36. More accurate that "Saturnalia" would be "Dies Natalis of Sol Invictus."

At least, according to Wikipedia

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:47 AM

29. So December is ALL about Christmas?

Tell people who celebrate Hanukkah or Kwanzaa that. Tell the Pagans whom had their holiday stolen and corrupted by Christians that.

Here's a general thought. Christmas IS a holiday. So saying Happy Holidays INCLUDES well wishes to Christians as well as to other religions. It's pretty assholish to demand others submit to talking about YOUR holiday when they have their own going on. Happy Holidays covers everything at once in a peaceful, inclusive way.

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Response to MessiahRp (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:01 PM

32. Exactly. For 30 years our family has celebrated the Solstice, which is generally on Dec. 22. When

I say "Happy Holidays" I include my holiday, Jewish holidays, Christmas, New Year, Boxing Day, Kwanzaa, and even Thanksgiving. I have no problem with other people wishing me "Merry Christmas" even though I don't technically celebrate the birth of Jesus, and I wish other people would understand that many others they meet do not celebrate their holidays but will join in a general "happy holidays" for everyone in the spirit of the season. A winter celebration of some sort has been around for many thousands of years in order to get the community through the dark days of winter. Never mind that the original holiday was a pagan one, stolen by Christians, as others have noted.

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Response to MessiahRp (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:10 PM

34. "Pagans WHO had their holiday stolen. . ." y'mean

Hey, it's the former English teacher in me!

As far as the assholishness, I agree. Even Bill O'Reilly, apparently, used to agree. When he started the "war on Christmas" bulldoody, his web site advertised -- are you ready -- "Happy Holiday" cards" to wish your friends and family a joyous holiday.

According to Dr. Sheldon Cooper, Jesus -- if he existed at all - was most likely born in the summer. I think all this "Christmas" crap is about his brother, James; but it's been called "Christmas" because "Jamesmas" was too much of a tongue twister.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 04:17 PM

5. hmmm

one version to think about... (must often consider the source)

"How Did Christmas Come to Be Celebrated on December 25?"

"...Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.

...In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians....

....Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia. As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.” The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.......
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:58 PM

14. Popular idea, but probably not true

The notion of a connection between Saturnalia and Christmas has been around for a very long time, but from what I've read there are good reasons to doubt it. For one thing, while Saturnalia was celebrated for varying lengths of time starting December 17, it apparently never ended later than December 23.

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Response to D Gary Grady (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 06:21 PM

15. Compromise for conversion

Read up on "Sol Invictus" here

Since Christians wanted more people to accept Christianity, and because pagans already celebrated December 25th as the Sun God's birthday, it was a convenient compromise for the Christians to change Jesus Christ's birthday to December 25th.

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Response to D Gary Grady (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:25 AM

20. Yeah, in fact, I'd say "definitely false".

It's an interesting little myth, but indeed, that's really all it is, is just a myth.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:50 AM

30. Read the post above yours

Christians did swipe the Saturnalia date because they couldn't control Pagan Celebrations and they conveniently moved Christ's birthday to fully co-opt the holiday and make it a propaganda machine. That is no myth.

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:15 AM

23. The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors, by Kersey Graves, [1875], at sacred-texts.com

The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors
by Kersey Graves, 1875, at sacred-texts.com

CHAPTER VIII.


THE TWENTY-FIFTH OF DECEMBER THE BIRTHDAY OF THE GODS.


DIVESTED of all explanation, the announcement of the fact that the time of the birth of many of the incarnated Gods and Saviors of antiquity was fixed at the same period, and this period the twenty-fifth of December, celebrated all over Christendom as the birthday of Jesus Christ, would sound marvelously strange, especially when it is noticed that this period formerly dated the birth of a new year—the birth of King Sol. And when we find that the ancient pagans were in the habit of celebrating this venerated twenty-fifth of December as the birthday of their Gods in the same manner Christians now celebrate it as the birthday of Christ, we are driven to admit that something more than mere fortuitous accident must be adduced to account for the coincidence.

According to Dr. Lightfoot, the temple of Jerusalem was employed in celebrating the birthday of a pagan God (Adonis) on the very night Christians assign for the birth of Christ. And Robert Taylor informs us that nearly all the nations of the East were once in the habit of rising at midnight to celebrate the birthday of their Gods, on the twenty-fifth of December. And to this statement Mr. Higgins adds that, "At the first moment after midnight of the twenty-fourth of December, the ancient nations celebrated the accouchement of the queen of heaven and celestial virgin, and the birth of the God Sol, the Infant Savior, and the God of Day.

Bacchus of Egypt, Bacchus of Greece, Adonis of Greece, Chrishna of India, Chang-ti of China, Chris of Chaldea, Mithra of Persia, Sakia of India, Jao Wapaul (a crucified Savior of ancient Britain), were all born on the twenty-fifth of December, according to their respective histories. Chrishna is represented to have been born at midnight on the twenty-fifth of the month Savarana, which answers to our December, and millions of his disciples celebrated his birthday by decorating their houses with garlands and gilt paper, and the bestowment of presents to friends. The Rev. Mr. Barret tells us, "It was once common for the women in Rome to perambulate the streets on the twenty-fifth of December, singing in a loud voice, "Unto us a child is born this day."

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cv/wscs/wscs13.htm


Peace,

Ghost

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 06:11 AM

25. There's also Mithras.


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Response to jamtoday (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 07:20 AM

27. "We wish you a Merry Mithrasmas! We wish you a Merry Mithrasmas! We wish you a Merry Mithrasmas!..."

"...And a Happy New Year!"

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 04:30 PM

6. I know I'm ready to wage war on Christmas!

The idea of Christmas has now become just like that green sign in the cartoon. Of course if you look and many of the churches out there now it does not really surprise me.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:41 PM

11. I don't think I see the problem.

No matter how you slice it,
Consumption creates demand that creates jobs.

Where those jobs are is a problem, but, a reduction of consumption would put more people out of work.

So I guess, the modern take on Christmas is a good thing for the populations physical health, if not their spiritual health.

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Response to Flatpicker (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 07:28 PM

16. +10 (NT)

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Response to Flatpicker (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:06 PM

17. the problem

consumerism comes at a substantial cost... to the environment and to the emotional well being of most folks.

"As Consumerism Spreads, Earth Suffers, Study Says"
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/01/0111_040112_consumerism.html


"...Rising consumption has helped meet basic needs and create jobs," Christopher Flavin, president of Worldwatch Institute said in a statement to the press. "But as we enter a new century, this unprecedented consumer appetite is undermining the natural systems we all depend on, and making it even harder for the world's poor to meet their basic needs."

The report addresses the devastating toll on the Earth's water supplies, natural resources, and ecosystems exacted by a plethora of disposable cameras, plastic garbage bags, and other cheaply made goods with built in product-obsolescence, and cheaply made manufactured goods that lead to a "throw away" mentality.

"Most of the environmental issues we see today can be linked to consumption," said Gary Gardner, director of research for Worldwatch. "As just one small example, there was a story in the newspaper just the other day saying that 37 percent of species could become extinct due to climate change, which is very directly related to consumption..."

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:13 PM

18. Sure but

consumerism comes at a substantial cost... to the environment and to the emotional well being of most folks.

So does mass poverty and homelessness.

Until green jobs take over for the number of lost jobs due to reduced consumption, I could not advocate reduced consumption.

I want to see something better, but I'm not going to condone the problems that a sudden stop of consumption would cause.

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Response to Flatpicker (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:04 PM

33. The problem is

The disproportionate amount of cheap imported goods that are consumed.

We are supporting manufacturing jobs overseas, and cheap, seasonal, non-union, below living standard labor here.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #33)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:42 PM

38. Completely agree with you.

The Jobs should be here.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:38 PM

19. +1

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:41 AM

21. Addicts. Early on. n/t

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:38 AM

24. Another good War on Xmas cartoon:

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 07:00 AM

26. The War on Chanukah ....

Its the anti-Jewish war waged each year by Fox news. To deny any other religion, and ensure that Jesus is the _only_ reason for the season...

The War on Quanza....
The War on New Years....



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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:06 AM

31. What about the War on Festivus for the rest of us.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:26 PM

35. Hogfather

I suggest both kids and adults watch this British television movie (bit long but it is on netflix stream too) and yes it's from Terry Prachett who incidentally has posed a controversial suggestion on assisted death. which I might not agree with but glad we are free to talk about it. Yes it's silly but it has one poise in it. The above. Oh bother and when the rich SOB is sobbing on the floor for a Reaper pretending to be the hogfather who's giving stuff away for free. What? isn't that what it's supposed to be about. Can't even get that out of Miracle on 34th Street. Kris is not in the habit of giving Macy's or Gimbels stuff out for free. Albeit the latter died an unfortunate death

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:18 PM

37. +1 nt

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