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Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:51 PM

 

Why do we cede the "job creator" meme to right wingers?

Think about it. Who is the true (American) job creator?

1) A 1%er who invests 85% or more of his money anywhere in the world he can get the highest return, whether that be a foreign company, precious metals, devious financial schemes that destroy American companies and sell off the parts while ("legally") robbing working people of their pensions, or literally any moneymaking scheme, however immoral or illegal that he can reliably get away with.

2) An ordinary American who uses 85% or more of her income buying things like a house (mortgage), food, clothes, education, services and entertainment right here in America?

WE are the real job creators, not the super rich.

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Response to TPaine7 (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:55 PM

1. We don't cede it. They appropriate it.

"Job creator" is just supply side bullshit.

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:57 PM

2. By not appropriating it ourselves, we tacitly accept their "definition" n/t

 

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Response to immoderate (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:01 PM

3. Precisely! WE didn't. The media just picked up the Koch-head meme.

We KNOW that investors create business to meet potential/perceived DEMAND of consumers.

Few people other than 'socialist' training programs create jobs just to make jobs.


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Response to TPaine7 (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:14 PM

4. Sadly your #2 spends much of that 85% of her $ buying products made offshore in factories owned by

 

the 1% you cite in #1.

As long as consumers want to buy things at lowest prices, that situation will prevail.

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Response to jody (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:20 PM

5. There are still American jobs created.

 

Sales, shipping, store construction, management, etc.

And even though what you say is true, more of her money goes to US jobs than his. Her house, a big chunk of her income, is necessarily built in America.

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Response to jody (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 04:02 PM

7. Sometimes the Sellers Deceive Us

They know there is a market for stuff that is union-made and made here, so sometimes they fake it.

AFL-CIO Demands 'Unionmade' Stop Its Fakery

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014321874

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Response to AndyTiedye (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 04:30 PM

8. E.g. machine tools are critical to US industrial base but domestic sources fight to survive. nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 05:38 PM

9. And Some of Those Tools Bear Brand Names of Rust-Belt Cities

Even though they are made about 10,000 miles away from any of them.

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Response to AndyTiedye (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 05:49 PM

11. I've heard several tales about foreign made machine tools being delivered to US warehouses and

 

workers replacing ID plates with ones bearing US data.

Heard this several times but never personally witnessed it.

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Response to jody (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 06:45 PM

13. I Was Talking About the BRAND Name

Though the kind of out-and-out fraud that you describe may well be occuring as well.

Take the Brand name: Milwaukee Tools. http://www.cpomilwaukee.com/

Of the 6 tools that are being promoted on their home page, 1, the sawzall, is made in the USA.

It's not as though all of this is even saving us money, the drill made in China costs as much as the American-made sawzall.

I spoke to their customer service person, who confirmed the Chinese origin of the drill, and the American origin of the sawzall.
Apparently, only the products with a "Made in USA" logo on the product page are made here.

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Response to AndyTiedye (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 06:52 PM

14. Thanks, I'll bet most people and even most DUers don't know that or its significance. nr

 

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Response to TPaine7 (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:26 PM

6. I say flip the meme.

Let the 1% be the "Job Creators".

That makes the 99% the "Wealth Creators". And we now want our fair share of it.

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Response to TPaine7 (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 05:45 PM

10. Because we're Democrats and genetically predisposed to cedeing things to others

Seriously, I get your frustration.

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Response to TPaine7 (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 06:31 PM

12. they're crazy and no amount of common sense can get thru to them--

they invented that stupid inaccurate meme and they ain't dropping it. Cuz they have already made millions off it.

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Response to TPaine7 (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 06:52 PM

15. Personally...

... I never ceded anything of the sort...


... but then I have a spine.

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