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Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:23 PM

Congress and the media, they ain't fucking ENTITLEMENTS, we've paid all our lives for them

we ARE entitled for a return on what we've paid into, just like the investor class who are running this country into the ground.


Stupid fucks.

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Reply Congress and the media, they ain't fucking ENTITLEMENTS, we've paid all our lives for them (Original post)
DainBramaged Nov 2012 OP
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dionysus Nov 2012 #1
AnnaLee Nov 2012 #2
DainBramaged Nov 2012 #3
AnnaLee Nov 2012 #4
dionysus Nov 2012 #5
DainBramaged Nov 2012 #10
randome Dec 2012 #35
Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #6
DainBramaged Nov 2012 #9
Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #13
DainBramaged Nov 2012 #26
Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #28
Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #16
The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #7
Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #17
The Wielding Truth Dec 2012 #29
Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #30
The Wielding Truth Dec 2012 #31
Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #33
slackmaster Nov 2012 #8
RebelOne Nov 2012 #14
patrice Nov 2012 #11
nenagh Nov 2012 #12
demokatgurrl Nov 2012 #15
Dirty Socialist Nov 2012 #22
cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #25
kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #18
forestpath Nov 2012 #19
Filibuster Harry Nov 2012 #20
Dirty Socialist Nov 2012 #21
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #23
cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #24
midnight Nov 2012 #27
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #32
Buns_of_Fire Dec 2012 #34

Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:25 PM

1. .


another poster who hasn't read the definition of entitlement...

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Response to dionysus (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:29 PM

2. Yea, much as I try to be respectful, this one is getting tiresome.

So let the recycle begin. I'll start.

Quite simply, keep ownership of the term. It is correct that we workers are "entitled" to what is ours.

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Response to dionysus (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:37 PM

3. Wrong grammar cop, I know exactly what it means

it's the Congress and media bastardizing the word.


Have a grammar cop day.

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:45 PM

4. To me the point is not grammar but accuracy.

When Obama and his followers took ownership of the word "Obamacare" it took some of the sails out of the Obamacare attacks.

Entitlement is given to programs that are earned. The same ownership should be taken (in this case taken back) over the term.

e.g. You are damned right I am entitled to collect my entitlements. I bought them in every paycheck my entire life.

Otherwise (IMO) people just end up crying about the use of the term. Why cry when you can smile?

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Response to AnnaLee (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:47 PM

5. +1

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Response to dionysus (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:54 PM

10. Define this....

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Response to AnnaLee (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 08:37 AM

35. I used to work for Social Security.

There is a big difference between eligibility and entitlement. You are correct. Entitlement is something you are owed because of paying into the system.

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:47 PM

6. It's Republicans

bastardizing the word, just like they did Liberal. Grow a pair and stand up for that to which you are entitled.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:54 PM

9. Grow a pair, really?

Jesus fucking christ, the pukers ae attacking help help...

Those of you trying to start an arugement over my post can go to hell.


It's obvious you don't think we have the right to stand up for what we have paid for.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 04:24 PM

26. Then erase it. I have a pretty big pair and DON'T need to be told grow another.

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:23 PM

16. If you are yourself still employed,

Your FICA taxes and Med taxes are paying for the benefits of those already retired. There seems to be a general lack of understanding amongst Americans of all stripes as to just what Social Security is and how it works. The same is true for Medicare. Basically it is a social compact whereby younger, working age generations, contribute to the retirement and medical care for older generations. Thus, you have paid and are paying for your grandparents and parents, your children and grandchildren will pay for you. Neither program is an "investment" with an ROI.

And that is what is so dangerous about this current push the republicans are making. There is absolutely nothing in the Social Security legislation that says monies must be returned if the program is discontinued.

I'm tired of people getting all riled about the use of the word entitlement, it happens to be a good word and if you don't throw it back into the face of any asshole who uses it sneeringly, you risk losing everything. You are entitled to those benefits because you have been fulfilling your end of the bargain. Why should you behave as though you re ashamed of that?

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:48 PM

7. It should be called "Guaranteed Reimbursements" Or "Social Security Insurance Dividends."

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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:25 PM

17. It is not a

guaranteed reimbursement nor an insurance dividend. If you want to wield the truth, why not research just what Social Security is and how it works?

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 09:06 AM

29. Okay, 'splain it to me, Sekhmets Daughter. I have researched and these are close enough to get out

the message with a better perception than the haughty "entitlement" republican TP. Where have I strayed and how can I be more on point?. I'm open. Hit me sister. Let's see your better truth.

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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 10:08 AM

30. Okay brother...

First, and this is very important in any struggle against the abuse of power, SS is indeed an Entitlement and you should embrace the word and not allow the haughty sneers to dissuade you. You have been paying for the benefits received by the parents and grandparents of those haughty jerks, thus you are Entitled to have their children and grandchildren pay for yours. Allowing them to frame the debate means you are bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Now, as to how SS works. Your FICA taxes are not an insurance premium for which you can expect a guaranteed benefit. There is no risk pool involved and no investments backing up a premium. Nor are they an investment for which you can expect a 'return on investment'. They are called taxes because that is exactly what they are. Money is taken from you paycheck and it is used to pay for the benefits of current SS beneficiaries...in the same way part of your federal income tax dollar goes to funding the military etc. Technically, you have been paying for the benefits of your grandparents' and parents' generation. Your children and grandchildren will pay for your benefits. The SS Trust Fund was created to cover the cost of the huge Baby Boom Generation.... Money collected, over and above what was needed to pay current benefits, was placed in the SS Trust Fund. That fund is now the largest holder of US debt...$2.67 trillion as of May, 2012. In 2010, between the high unemployment and the FICA Tax Holiday, Social Security has a 'shortfall' of around $40 billion....the money to pay current beneficiaries came from the general fund.

There is nothing in the Social Security program that guarantees you will have your taxes repaid should congress end Social Security. That's why the rethugs feel they can go after SS in such an arrogant manner. End the program, thereby reducing taxes while simultaneously wiping out almost $3 trillion in national debt and no one is owed a reimbursement.

Social Security is a Social Compact which most Americans have supported from its inception. It is the one tax almost universally liked. But, just as the fools in congress decided to back corporations when they decided they didn't want to pay for pensions any longer and created 401Ks as a sop to about half of the work force, ignoring the other half entirely, there is a contingent in congress that would like to end SS for no other reason than they think they can get away with it. More small government bullshit, more big business control of the population.

Write to your congress critters and let them know that you have been faithfully fulfilling your half of the bargain for however many years you have been working. That your FICA taxes were used to pay for the benefits received by their parents and grandparents and that you expect, indeed demand, that they fulfill their end of the bargain and keep the program well funded so you will be able to collect your benefits. You are Entitled to those benefits. Remind them that the internet has made it extraordinarily easy to find out exactly how they voted on SS. Furthermore, tell them to read "Social Security: The Phony Crisis" by Dean Baker and Mark Weisbrot.

Questions?

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:08 PM

31. First, thank you so much for the time and concern that your reply expresses. I agree that this

program is subject, as all laws, to change by Congress and the many stages of our government. I differ however with your point that because it can be changed that it is not a guaranteed benefit. This is more of a social contract that should be honored. In that respect it an expected benefit. That' all. Thanks again. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 08:06 AM

33. You're welcome...

I hope I didn't bore you with the length of my reply.

My only objection to the use of the word "guarantee" is that it implies, for many people, a legal status that is not subject to the whims of congress. There is indeed a 'moral' guarantee implicit to the social contract, (which is why people should celebrate the use of the word entitled) but as you know congress does not always behave according to any precepts of morality.

See you around.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:50 PM

8. We PAID for them, therefore we are ENTITLED to them

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:16 PM

14. You are so, so correct.

I had worked and paid into social security for over 50 years. I am now receiving it and I am ENTITLED to receive the benefits.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:56 PM

11. We are more entitled than the investor class, because we don't want something for nothing, like

those who pump coded 0s and 1s through various hierarchies of PRIVATE processes and call it public value.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:05 PM

12. I'd like to know what (low information) Republicans think the word 'Entitlements' really means..

I'd guess a significant number think 'Entitlements' refers to Government handouts of money to lazy people... read non-white
Democrats who voted for Pres Obama...

As long as the word Entitlements is never really linked to real programs a large percentage of people want to keep..the con job works...

That's why I don't like the word...

I can't stand Fox, so this is supposition..

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:17 PM

15. THIS, A THOUSAND TIMES THIS@!!!

I have written this in my emails to all of my so- called representatives and when they do bother to have their interns or their computer write back they always fucking mention their concern about "entitlements". Makes my blood boil. I've been paying into the funds for decades, as well as having my tax dollars pay for their pensions and mighty fine health insurance and they have the nerve to talk about entitlements.

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Response to demokatgurrl (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:54 PM

22. That's Correct

What they should be concerned about is to make sure working people get what they are entitled to. Attacking entitlements stands morality on its head.

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Response to demokatgurrl (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 04:20 PM

25. Perhaps you could learn what the word means. rather than engaging in recreational blood boiling

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:33 PM

18. We ARE entitled to those benefits. We have the RIGHT to them.

Because we paid our premiums our whole lives.

Social Security and Medicare aren't charity, they are insurance benefits.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:37 PM

19. K&R

 

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:42 PM

20. 15% tax rate on capital gains and dividends -- that is entitlements.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:50 PM

21. By The Way

It's amazing how the right wing press has demonized something the working American is Entitled to.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:57 PM

23. they're not entitlements, but we're entitled to them? no, they are entitlements that we're

 

entitled to because we paid for them. paid doubly, in fact -- for our parents and for ourselves.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 04:18 PM

24. You call people "stupid fucks" because they know what words mean and you don't?

Perhaps you should educate yourself instead of shrieking about nonsense.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 04:33 PM

27. This message could be repeated daily for those who already have their entitlements, and think

that those who want to have their too, are not entitled...

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:10 PM

32. They were called entitlements

In the original 1935 bill. So yes, they are. It's how they are being redefined that is a problem.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #32)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 08:32 AM

34. They know that if they can make "entitlement" synonymous with "welfare"

their job is half done. We can thank people like Frank Luntz for that (since a good portion of republican "representatives" are incapable of figuring it out for themselves).

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