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Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:45 AM

Alcohol and sex.

Maybe I'm mistaken but I get the impression that some people seem to think that any amount of alcohol a person consumes instantly renders them helpless and unable to exercise judgment of any sort. This is ridiculous. If this were the case then alcohol would be illegal. Obviously the state thinks that people who are drunk can, to some degree and up to a certain stage of intoxication, still be held accountable for their actions, otherwise no DUI case could ever result in a conviction.

Likewise, of course a person can in principle consent to sex while drunk. It is all depends on circumstance (how much alcohol, what relationship do the involved parties have and various other factors) and at the end all boils down to common sense. Obviously forcing yourself on a comatose stranger is rape. Obviously getting wasted with your sweetheart and going all crazy, and continuing the next morning despite a terrible hang-over, is not.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:48 AM

1. I'm in favor of both!


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Response to Atman (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:48 AM

2. LOL, I agree

 

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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:50 AM

3. Some people always have to blame someone or something.

 

Alcohol, the devil, an angel,their mother, their father, Santa Claus,.....

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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:00 PM

4. How much alcohol does a *man* need to consume before he is unable to consent?

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Response to Romulox (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:06 PM

5. Do a few shots of tequila and bend over...I'll let you know.

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Response to Atman (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:17 PM

8. lmao!

 

I think I love you.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:10 PM

6. likewise, the word "inhibition" refers to a real, actual human psychological state



and when you have an "inhibition" it may get lowered and the lowered state is just as much your "will" as was the state of being with higher inhibitions.


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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:20 PM

7. shit, I thinks that's how a lot of us got here



I came of age in the 70s and yes, even back then there were unwritten rules. If she's passed out cold you don't mess with her, roll her over so she's not lying on her back if she throws up while passed out and keep watch over her, that was the rule with the bunch I ran with.

Now, if she was drunk , awake and active, and I was in the same condition, then let the fun begin. Looking back it probably wasn't as fun as it seemed at the time

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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:27 PM

9. "Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker." Dorothy Parker

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 05:56 PM

10. I used to hang out at a bar that had a card table in the back room...

The sign out front said "Liquor in the front, poker in the rear."

Ba-doom. I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress!

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Response to Atman (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 06:06 PM

13. Stockman's Bar in Missoula Montana

I've been there.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 05:58 PM

11. Problem is, many times both parties are drunk

Technically neither can consent but sex happens. By the rigid definitions of rape that some believe, you would have situations where both parties are guilty of raping the other, which is a ludicrous concept.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 06:02 PM

12. Seriously recommending you STOP. Just don't push this.

You don't get to say what is ridiculous.

You created a textbook strawman here and it is insulting.

REALLY insulting.

ETA: I don't think I need to explain why I am insulted. I read DU-- everyday. This OP is wretched.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 06:09 PM

14. "It provokes the desire, but takes away from the performance": William Shakespeare

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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 06:11 PM

15. Shakespeare said it best, re: alcohol and sex

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/it_provokes_the_desire_but_it_takes_away_the/263747.html
It provokes the desire but it takes away the performance. Therefore much drink may be said to be an equivocator with lechery: it makes him and it mars him; it sets him on and it takes him off.

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 06:15 PM

16. Great minds! You must have been typing while I was posting.

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 07:08 PM

18. Weed is best for frisky

On two levels.

First desire is high as well as performance.

Second, judgment is not nearly as impaired. That's why casual stoners don't drive . Risk management in the brain is still working while high for the most part

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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 06:19 PM

17. There is a good reason why alcohol consumption is ILLEGAL until one is 21 years old.

And sale or distribution of alcohol to a minor is a serious legal offence.

In most of these truly tortured and terrible examples on this board, underage drinking/doping begins the voluntary and slippery slope. No. Not an excuse...a Fact. Only an idiot consents to be blitzed and out of control...by definition...then holds an equally blitzed person to act unblitzed. The police likely could have and should have arrested the lot of them.

Not that 21 is any magic age, but at that age, I was a college graduate (in Southern California) and much wiser and more mature than in Jr. high and high school. If all of these posted accounts removed the element of illegal alcohol/drugs/whatever, the stories/results would change.

My parents would have "killed" me if I had have drunk in high school. Same with my selected peer group. Same with my son. Did I have encounters...in the trendy LA South Bay beaches out "clubbing"... yep ... it only took a couple of close calls to remember why getting blitzed with strangers and in public wasn't a good idea.

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