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Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:30 AM

Over the cliff? Not over the cliff?

Which do you think is the better strategy?

Why?
14 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
Over the cliff
12 (86%)
Not over the cliff
2 (14%)
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Reply Over the cliff? Not over the cliff? (Original post)
Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 OP
msongs Nov 2012 #1
Lasher Nov 2012 #2
DJ13 Nov 2012 #3
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #4
Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 #6
99Forever Nov 2012 #7
gollygee Nov 2012 #8
NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #5
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #9
Filibuster Harry Nov 2012 #10
Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #11

Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:37 AM

1. better congress with BETTER dems in it and less repubs. better outcome nt

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:41 AM

2. Why? Because we'd be in a better bargaining position after sequestration.

And also because I don't trust Obama as our chief capitulator. Do you?

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Response to Lasher (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:58 AM

3. That second point is why I think we would be better off waiting

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:26 AM

4. There is no fiscal cliff

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:12 PM

6. I agree with you

It is a right wing talking point and, as usual, the Democrats go right the fuck along with it. Like oxen with rings in their noses.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:15 PM

7. Bingo.

It's nice to see I'm not the only one who sees this for the steaming pile it is.


Thank you.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:17 PM

8. Yep

It's all part of trying to scare us into letting them do whatever they want.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:39 AM

5. NOT. Simply because

we need more stimulus. Granted, this is the best position that we have been in negotiation-wise, but we need to have more stimulus and frankly, the "deficit" is totally irrelevant.

If we increase the economy, the revenues will increase and the deficit will be a moot point. Although, I support increasing the tax rate on the 1% just to help normalize the increase of wealth between the upper 1% and the rest of the country. Should we increase the basic rate or close the loopholes? Both. And get rid of the cap on SS payroll taxes - that will take care of any issues.

Medicare? The problem with health insurance is health costs. Expand Medicare to be Medicare for All. This will affect private insurance companies which will affect the economy. But, these companies can become Medicare Supplemental companies.

But I digress. Although the "Fiscal Cliff" may be over-rated, it is still a real thing.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 04:40 PM

9. Over. Tax rates need to be fair. The rich need to pay their fair share. nt

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 04:46 PM

10. I voted not over the cliff because of how it affects everybody. But if the agreement is not a good

one then over the cliff we go together. But it is going to be interesting to see if/when/ an how the richies get mad as we get closer to Dec 31st and especially when congress is on vacation.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 04:51 PM

11. “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” H.L. Mencken

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