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Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:31 PM

There is something happening here...

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Occupy...

Walmart workers take a stand

McDonnals workers do the same

Nissan workers want to unionize.
http://www.aflcio.org/Blog/(p)/54911

We have local hospital workers in San Diego asking for better wages...

Minnesota orchestra musicians locked out, see pst 69 by Lydialeftcoast.



Something is happening here, I think the reaction is starting to take shape. Time will tell, but tipping point is being reached, methinks.

Oh and yes, labor is starting to flex muscles and finding, after thirty years, that while atrophied, they are starting to work.

About bloody time...

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:35 PM

1. I sure hope so

And now I know you just can't believe the MSM anymore. According to everyone unions were a dying institution, especially in Wisconsin after they supposedly didn't recall Scott Walker.

Evidently there's been plenty of activity. These protests never just start up without some major talking, planning, getting support, etc.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:36 PM

2. The MSM is doing what it does

As paper of record. We need a strong labor press. They might soon understand that.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:38 PM

6. Hear hear!

We really do need a strong labor press, for the people!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:22 PM

30. we do have a labor press

granted a local one to my area, but such exists.

http://labortribune.com/

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:26 PM

34. I have told my local central labor council

That they need one. Like in the past, you will see them emerge locally first.

You are ahead of the curve.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:59 PM

46. IWW.org

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:37 PM

3. The pendulum swings

This is a well needed shift. Let's hope it takes hold and grows. This is one of the reasons an Obama win was so important. We have 4 years to move in this direction.

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Response to sandyshoes17 (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:07 PM

27. Les Miserables!

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Response to sandyshoes17 (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:34 PM

40. My History Professor used to talk about the pendulum swings in US politics

He said you have swings that go far to the left, swings that go far to the right, and then for a time we end up back in the middle.

I have almost given up hope that we could ever get back to the middle let alone to have it move back more to the left.

I was afraid it was permanently frozen to the farthest right end of the spectrum. I am cautiously hopeful that this may not be true, but my optimism is tempered. I do so want to see the Pendulum swing back at least to the mid left, in my lifetime.

I am so sick of this right wing wacked out wrong minded world we've been stuck in for what seems like forever now.

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #40)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:50 PM

43. Your history professor was correct

Another analogy is bloodless revolutions. This is the end of the Reagan Revolution. They do not precisely last a generation, but conservative periods are usually supplanted by liberal ones hard and fast. We are at the beginning of that.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #43)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:31 PM

64. I sure hope you are right, Nadin. nt

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #43)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 04:05 AM

100. When the Rpublicans took the house

with their Contract on America, my dad - somewhat fatalistic - said
"the last time theVisigoths got control they were around for 300 years"
He died 14 years ago today




I miss you daddy

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #40)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:15 PM

53. Well Said!

K&R

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #40)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:36 PM

86. The Pendulum Has Swung Way Too Far to the Right

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:37 AM

98. When did it ever swing

... far to the left? There was a time under FDR and Johnson when the needs of the majority of the people started to be met better--but that seems like the middle to me and not left, though the right tells us that any social support is "left". The country seems mostly to swing from the middle to the right and the right is always pulling the middle more right.

Would love to see the country actually swing to the far left--let alone the left.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #98)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:21 AM

108. The progressive era was quite, well progressive

The Sherman Antitrust act was a part of this.

As you said, the new deal. In the 1950s we were well on our way to a social democracy with a well working mixed economy.

If you want to blame anybody, I know heresy, for starting to lay the ground for the low tax mantra, and Republicans have even said such, was Kennedy. If I could go to the past I would counsel against doing such. He lowered max rates from 90% to 70%...

But seriously, the whole new deal, setting things like the NLBR, making strikes well..legal...was pretty lefty.

For the record, we need to install a new set of choppers in the NLBR.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:37 PM

4. I've been feeling the same way and I love it!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:37 PM

5. I think if massive cuts to Medicare and Medicaid happen

and taxes don't go back to where they should be on the rich, the push back will continue to grow. I think the unions will start to regain even more popularity, strikes will increase, and so will the protests.

It's becoming clearer that very few people, if any in Washington are actually listening to what the majority of the people in this country want and election results are being ignored.

The Pukes lost this last election by a pretty significant margin, but you would never know it from what we are reading and hearing about the fiscal cliff talks.

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:26 AM

111. I think you are correct.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:39 PM

7. Awesome. I've been kinda, sorta feeling the same way as of late.

I've just been waiting to hear someone say it. I really hope we've hit the tipping point, I've been waiting for society to get fed up for quite some time.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:48 PM

8. Years of barely scraping by while watching the wealthy grabbing more & more

A rubber band can only be stretched so far.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:08 PM

9. We are getting to see

the re-birth of Unions very much like what happened early last century. Once again we are witnessing history replaying itself in that the Bankers and giants of industry (as they like to be known) took the nation to almost total collapse, and their treatment of the workers got so bad that the workers revolted.

Another eerie parallel that is very much like the past is that these huge companies have bought the law enforcement and many have their own private security. I seriously hope that we will not have to see the amount of violence and death that happened then.

Even with that, I will be out doing all that I am capable of doing in support of Unions. They are the one group that can do more for the economy than any other.

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Response to Heathen57 (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:11 PM

10. Yup, we are living high

In the 1880s.

And I suspect soon, relatively speaking, the Sherman Anti trust Act will be dusted too.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:44 PM

22. That is the bill I most want to see revived

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:22 PM

11. Maybe this is in fact the Mayan prophecy of the world ending on the winter solstice.

Little did we know it would be the world of the plutocrats and oligarchs.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:37 PM

17. I've ad so much with that end of the word

Knowing a tad about the Maya. The toon showing the guy running out of space is about right.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:43 PM

21. Ah, c'mon. I'm kidding.

If you don't like me bringing the Mayan's into it, there are plenty of other predictions from other belief systems that say the same thing, that something is going to start changing about that time. We know it's not about the world ending, just a convenient solar date that prognosticators like.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:49 PM

23. I know, but that particular one

Has been all kinds of fun.

I think we will change, or go extinct as a species.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:15 PM

51. I dunno about extinction.......

I mean, even a full-blown nuclear war in the mid-'80s couldn't quite do that.

Global civilization having to be rebuilt from scratch, though, might not be so far-fetched, especially a couple of centuries from now if the global warming BAU scenario turns out to be reality(and, even worse, if all the possible feedbacks play out to their worst possible extent, which may not be at all likely but still possible); not exactly as likely as some would think, but still not something we can afford to ignore, IMHO(My money's more on 3-4*C by 2100).

I don't doubt things will change, though.....but the question is, when?

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #51)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:22 PM

58. No species lives forever

That is a hard core biological reality

So yes, we will go extinct..the question is when. Either that or slowly evolve and adapt to the new conditions we created.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #58)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:16 PM

78. Tell that to the tadpole shrimp...sometimes called the shield shrimp

It's been around for 220 million years.
Yup.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #78)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 06:53 AM

102. And birds, cockroaches, misquotes, alligators and crocodiles.

They seem to have been around for quite some time. They lived back with the dinosaurs and they are still living now with us.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #102)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 08:30 AM

104. Some of the birds today evolved FROM dinosaurs.

Apparently the chicken and T-Rex have that genetic link.

I also believe that humans today will evolve into something else. I don't know what exactly but evolve we will.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:42 PM

72. Here is a fun fact:

I know astrology gets short shrift from left-brained (logical) people but astrologers are predicting the current decade will see the most liberal political and social swing since the 1960's. Author Richard Tarnas who is well-known both inside and outside of the astrological community for his brilliant "Passion of the Western Mind" stated back in 2007 that the 2010-2020 decade is ripe for a liberal revolution.

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Response to Utopian Leftist (Reply #72)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:19 PM

79. Not just astrologers.

There are others. Read The Fourth Turning. This is an American version of Toynbee, but works.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #79)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:20 AM

92. now THAT sounds interesting

Toynbee is among the great thinkers I want to read, but I have so many other things to do all the time!

Great now I got another to add to the list.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #92)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:51 AM

94. It will be down right your wheelhouse.

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Response to Utopian Leftist (Reply #72)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:24 AM

93. very cool!

I feel the shift too..can see it in so many ways.

Things were pretty scary and hopeless there....that's what it took to wake up enough people.

Yes once I'm not in total freak out mode, I tend to like the metaphysical point of view.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:24 PM

12. The Reagan revolution has been overthrown

and I'm lovin' it. Goodbye Friedman! Goodbye Grover! Fuck all of them!!!

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Response to malaise (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:18 PM

29. "Stop Children What's That Sound!"

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Response to KoKo (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:16 PM

54. Ahh Koko, you take me back. nm

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Response to KoKo (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:24 PM

122. Nice

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Response to malaise (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:48 PM

120. + 1. Is this what President Obama meant when he said that

he aspired to be a transformational President?

I believe that it is. Reagan transformed the country by taking us off our progressive evolutionary course, and led us down the "garden path" of regressive authoritarian conservatism.

President Obama is helping to put us back on course so that we can continue our progressive evolution as a nation, reversing the destruction of the Reagan Devolution.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #120)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:22 PM

121. Yes America is abandoning 'greed is good' for 'let's look after

one another'.

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Response to malaise (Reply #121)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:34 PM

124. Snoopy Dance!






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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:25 PM

13. What it is ain't exactly clear

There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware.

Stop, Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going down!

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:31 PM

15. Hey, you beat me to it! For what it's worth...

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:38 PM

19. Hey! what's that sound?

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind


The sleeping giants awaken.

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:39 PM

20. Perfect!!!

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:18 PM

55. As Jay Leno would say EXACTLY, EXACTLY! nm

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:28 PM

14. What it is ain't exactly clear...

Sorry-- I'm at work and can't respond properly, but I couldn't resist.
Our music really kicks ass, doesn't it?

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:36 PM

16. Yup

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:38 PM

18. "bloody" is right. This is the Rise of the Labor Movement Redux...

The plutocrats didn't give a single thing first time around. Labor had to fight for it. Men died for weekends, safe working conditions, decent wages....

The asshole plutocrats now are certainly the match for the Robber Barons, and I fear they will not give anything.

Too bad we have to go thru all that shit again.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:50 PM

24. And that...we will.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:27 PM

62. Maybe they won't *give* anything

But that doesn't mean we can't *take* it.

When the poor have no money left to buy food, all we can do is eat the rich.

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Response to theKed (Reply #62)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:20 PM

68. True but begging, signs, and appeasement isn't taking and passive resistance

has no one's heart or mind to win.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #68)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:20 PM

91. I never advocated passive resistance as the solution

Very few revolutions have been won with drum circles.
They have no qualms about driving us into poverty, disease, and even death. Should we?

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Response to theKed (Reply #91)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:03 PM

125. Drum circles are not passive

 

there's always the aspect of shamanic activity present. When we beat city to save a forest it was about to destroy, shamanic drumming circle played a decisive role.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:25 PM

115. and weekends, safe working conditions, and decent wages are gone now.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #115)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 10:32 PM

134. On the off-chance you are disagreeing with me....

Ask the workers in the service industry.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #134)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 10:38 PM

135. I wasn't being sarcastic. I'm agreeing with you.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:51 PM

25. Yay

Yay, for our side. Both my grandfathers were Union Pacific railroaders. My dad's dad was a wobbly. He got a gun shot wound for it. My dad was a union carpenter. My boyfriend is IBEW. I was SEIU, for a time.

I'm reading Fall of Giants, by Ken Follet, as we speak.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:53 PM

26. Chris Hedges captured it pretty well:


"Our dying corporate class, corrupt, engorged on obscene profits and indifferent to human suffering, is the guarantee that the mass movement will expand and flourish. No one knows when. No one knows how. The future movement may not resemble Occupy. It may not even bear the name Occupy. But it will come. I have seen this before. And we should use this time to prepare, to educate ourselves about the best ways to fight back, to learn from our mistakes, as many Occupiers are doing in New York, Washington, D.C., Philadelphia and other cities. There are dark and turbulent days ahead. There are powerful and frightening forces of hate, backed by corporate money, that will seek to hijack public rage and frustration to create a culture of fear. It is not certain we will win. But it is certain this is not over."


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Response to marmar (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:11 PM

28. Yup

And many of us have said this for a while. Since this is democratic underground, and politics is what matters...to some...suffice it to say...the political chattering classes will have to chose sides...it's a matter of when.

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Response to marmar (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:25 PM

32. Definitely...even though it sounds depressing..it's the TRUTH! n/t

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Response to marmar (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:50 PM

44. WOW! Perfect! Thanks for posting this quote marmar. nt

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Response to marmar (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:31 AM

112. Buying the election didn't work. They will try stepping it up, somehow.

Not sure exactly how.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:23 PM

31. "There's something happening here. What it is, ain't exactly clear,"

wrote Stephen Stills in a 1968 song that came to symbolize the 1960s as a decade of social movements and rapid change.

"The same words aptly describe labor relations in the United States today. It seems, as 1960s icon Bob Dylan sang in 1964, "the times they are a-changin'."

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:40 PM

41. So much of that music still rings true-- anyone who thinks of it as 'oldies' is beyond redemption.

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #41)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:11 PM

76. Highly Experienced we are. But far from down and definitely not out. "People get ready, there's a

train a'comin'. " Or then the ever popular, "Hit the Road, Jack."

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #76)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:45 AM

95. You're absolutely right

I'm so glad I grew up in the 60s and experienced the music revolution and all the cultural changes. Times could be tough (losing President Kennedy, MLK, RFK, the Vietnam War, etc.) but extraordinary things happened, too. Things that still live on in those of us fortunate enough to have been there.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:25 PM

33. believe thats called for every reaction there is an opposite reaction

do'h... which Republicans who haven't learned in 2010 and 2012 will face a problem in 2014

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:29 PM

36. This goes well...beyond elections.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:26 PM

35. K&R to the nth degree

Yeah, the natives are getting very restless. Things are getting verrrry interesting. And if this fiscal cliff business doesn't turn out right for the 99%, restlessness just might turn into something else. Won't say what that might be...as none of us know yet. Well, let me just say this... what I think we might have here is a movement, with a growing spurt.

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Response to ReRe (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:30 PM

37. Yup

And I felt it and said it with occupy, who's moved to phase two.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:30 PM

38. Their hatred and general demonization of working class people is finally coming back to haunt

the conservanazis. I'm a retired IBEW union construction electrician. I've lived through good times and bad times. I'm hoping that this is the time for change. If not, the next generation is going to have to go through some serious suffering.
All I can add is ORGANIZE, ORGANIZE, ORGANIZE. Give power back to the people. If not, the next generation is doomed to suffer greatly until they learn how to defeat the tyranny of the conservanazis.

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Response to TxVietVet (Reply #38)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:32 PM

39. What I see is the begining of some serious

Organization. You can thank some of your brothers and sisters who came from countries with a stronger union tradition (SEIU) for some of this...the other...over reach.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:49 PM

42. I hope you are right!!!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:56 PM

45. It is not a reaction, but a quiet revolution.

Remember, the corporate fascists are the reactionaries.

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #45)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:03 PM

48. It is a revolution in the American mold.

The Reagan revolution is ending.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #48)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:08 PM

75. If you haven't done so, I strongly urge you to read:

Anarchism and American Traditions (online) written by the feminist and anarchist, Voltairine de Cleyre (named after Voltaire), in 1908. Absolutely fascinating read. I think I'm going to read it again, myself.

Excerpt:

To the average American of today, the Revolution means the series of battles fought by the patriot army with the armies of England. The millions of school children who attend our public schools are taught to draw maps of the siege of Boston and the siege of Yorktown, to know the general plan of the several campaigns, to quote the number of prisoners of war surrendered with Burgoyne; they are required to remember the date when Washington crossed the Delaware on the ice; they are told to “Remember Paoli,” to repeat “Molly Stark’s a widow,” to call General Wayne “Mad Anthony Wayne,” and to execrate Benedict Arnold; they know that the Declaration of Independence was signed on the Fourth of July, 1776, and the Treaty of Paris in 1783; and then they think they have learned the Revolution – blessed be George Washington! They have no idea why it should have been called a “revolution” instead of the “English War,” or any similar title: it’s the name of it, that's all. And name-worship, both in child and man, has acquired such mastery of them, that the name “American Revolution” is held sacred, though it means to them nothing more than successful force, while the name “Revolution” applied to a further possibility, is a spectre detested and abhorred. In neither case have they any idea of the content of the word, save that of armed force. That has already happened, and long happened, which Jefferson foresaw when he wrote:

“The spirit of the times may alter, will alter. Our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless. A single zealot may become persecutor, and better men be his victims. It can never be too often repeated that the time for fixing every essential right, on a legal basis, is while our rulers are honest, ourselves united. From the conclusion of this war we shall be going down hill. It will not then be necessary to resort every moment to the people for support. They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves in the sole faculty of making money, and will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for their rights. The shackles, therefore, which shall not be knocked off at the conclusion of this war, will be heavier and heavier, till our rights shall revive or expire in a convulsion.”


Remember, that hers was a very anti-government feeling, but she believed in community, in the rights of Labor, and of the rights of free association. She believed, as do I, that no government can free us, nor can any party, but we as a society, and as a community can free ourselves, if we work together cooperatively. If we set about reclaiming what is rightfully ours; the means of production and the fruits of our labor, and if we expel and destroy the thief we call a capitalist, who only takes the surplus value of our toils, for his own, and at our acquiescence since he has the tools and all of the war-making machinery of the State at his disposal. Take away the State's monopoly on the use of force, and the judiciary inextricably tied by capital, and I'll bet that corporations wouldn't dare try any of the shenanigans being employed against, say, the workers in the Hostess fiasco. There would be a constant revolution until Labor would be in control of its own, and no State to protect them!

Sorry, had to rant for a second there.

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #45)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:12 PM

50. "The Sound of Silence"- original version - Simon and Garfunkel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0jqn9SKYAgY

"The Sound of Silence- original version - Simon and Garfunkel

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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Response to KoKo (Reply #50)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:21 PM

57. And that is one of my all time favorite songs.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #57)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:27 PM

60. Amazing...it almost sounds "new" once again...in it's provocative thought.

sigh.....

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Response to KoKo (Reply #60)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:34 PM

67. Yup

This afternoon been watching le mis videos...even the music, that music, sounds different these days.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #67)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:23 PM

84. A couple of more in the tradition of this thread. ;)




(contains a special hip hop version by MC Lynx)

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:01 PM

47. Highly agree.

We seem to be at an inflection point. A long way to go, and there will be much bruising, but at least there's finally some gravitational pull in the right direction.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:04 PM

49. And I am ready to cover this from my local front lines

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #49)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:41 PM

71. My local front lines are pretty boring

Only a few Republicans within 10 miles, other than every local talk-radio host. I guess that's a good thing, but sometimes I'd like to join the fray... if I were really energetic i could drive to NH, but they've already gone through their Tea Party phase and have returned to being pretty reasonable.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #71)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:23 PM

85. Mine are pretty bland here

But cover them we must.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #71)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:21 AM

107. My local front lines are all Dems in name. But Daley was the 1st to privatize an interstate highway.


Rightists could only dream of some of this shit before Mayor Daley came along to implement their fantasies putting a bipartisan stamp of approval on the shit.

I took the kid shopping for something the other day. He pointed out that I did not pay the meter. I informed him that I hadn't paid a meter since Daley privatized street parking in the city. Furthmore, last I heard the city was dropping charges everytime someone took it to court as the ACLU and other groups are waiting to challenge the traffic court's authority on the issue as it is now a private entity. Pain in the ass taking it to court, but I can afford it.

In a city where incumbents NEVER lose, we cleaned house following the street parking bullshit. I sort of wish Daley had run for one more term to see if he survived. People were seriously pissed about that one. Worse yet, it was understood by far and wide that he had his eyes set on the water department.

Which is why I'm glad he didn't run. He might have still pulled it off and be threatening our water. Though the Machine appears to have come off the rails as Obama was originally put forth by anti-Machine reformers, Gov Quinn was hated by the Democratic establishment, and Rahm was introduced to politics by Clinton rather than the Machine. In all three cases the Machine attached themselves to the man instead of the man joining the Machine.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:19 PM

56. I think the emperor has been exposed, if you know what I mean. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #56)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:28 PM

63. ......the clothes...the clothes that are not there.....?

probably.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #63)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:07 PM

74. Careful, careful, whistle-blowers will be treated as traitors. nm

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:15 PM

52. Long overdue, may it grow! eom

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:25 PM

59. I hope you're right!

It does give me hope. We took the gains of the 20th century for granted, and now we have to build Labor back up. You can't take your eye off the ball because the robber barons are always ready to swoop in.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:27 PM

61. I've been noticing and thinking about the same thing. WOO HOO!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:32 PM

65. Fuck yeah! Unions and education and loving one another. These three hold our answers.

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #65)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:33 PM

66. and all of them under attack from all places...seems to me ..anyway. n/t

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:25 PM

69. Not only that: The musicians of the Minnesota Orchestra and the St. Paul Chamber Orchestra

have been locked out by management and are winning a great deal of public support. The MN Orchestra put on a sold-out benefit concert for its members in October and two more planned for the weekend of December 15, which are already sold out.

Management wants the MN Orchestra musicians to take a 40% pay cut, and the musicians are demanding arbitration, because they suspect, with reason, that the managers have mismanaged the orchestra's funds.

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #69)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:20 PM

80. Will add to the list

My bet is, we are just scratching the dang surface.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:36 PM

70. To quote Jimmy Carter

Every advance in this half-century: Social Security, civil rights, Medicare, aid to education... one after another- came with the support and leadership of American Labor.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:50 PM

73. The next wave of labor will be ushered in by service workers

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Response to Politicub (Reply #73)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:14 PM

77. Is that not unfortunately appropriate, however, as we have jettisoned our manufacturing base.

Excuse me, offshored. Bah, humbug.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #73)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:43 PM

88. Another thought ... service workers can't be offshored, by definition.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #88)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:00 PM

89. And they deserve fair wages and benefits

Haven't thought about the outsourcing aspect!



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Response to Politicub (Reply #89)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:17 PM

90. Absolutely.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #73)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:00 AM

106. you have a good point there

The service industry is one of the biggest industries in the country right now and certainly one of the most underpaid. That would be wonderful to see a big labor push from the service industry.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #106)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:28 PM

118. Cue up WalMart as they are among the biggest of the Corporate Blights and hold them

accountable for a working wage...or Beware the Unions...preferably both.

We need to Roll Back WalMart Corporate Welfare and expose the scam. Let's interrupt and impede the ugly profits and wealth via government subsidies of their scheming business model, built upon low wages and taxpayer resources, especially food stamps and health care. The other retailers/service industries will soon follow.

There are few social groups that so clearly represent and will benefit the need for our Democratic Agenda ... union, gender equality, women, lower-middle class families, racial, age, under-educated, veterans, disabled, and disposable ...all are heavily represented in service employees.

It's WalMart (and the like) we can't afford any longer. The cost of phony "low prices" is charged right back to their federal government charge card.

A $45,000 income maximum for a family of four...poverty limit...would need to be around $60,000 or more, roughly. That's an indication of the individual cost to the public of WalMart ... and I call it Rick Rolling.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #118)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:12 PM

136. Here here!

Walmart is a blight on our economy and a big contributor to the deficit.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:21 PM

81. It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down

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Response to pdxblue (Reply #81)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:22 PM

83. Welcome to DU

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:22 PM

82. About TIME!!

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:38 PM

87. Ah, yes . . . "For What it's Worth" and "Sound of Silence" . . .

Takes me back . . .

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Response to Brigid (Reply #87)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:19 AM

97. And don't forget Dylan's astonishing song (one of many, but particularly apropos today):

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone,
If your time to you is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
While the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'.
For the loser now will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
The battle outside ragin'.
Will soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend a hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin'.
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:48 AM

96. I have been expecting this ever since the EFCA came & went without a blip. I knew that wasn't like

the nature of Labor especially Labor with it's neck placed on the chopping block, because of what someone else, i.e. WALL STREET, did. Yeah, unions are only about 7% of the workforce, but I guess I'm thinking of a more universal instinct here, the will to survive when attacked by someone/thing implacable. We'll see where it all goes, but the elements have all been there for quite a while and someones just locked the lid on the pressure cooker.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:39 AM

99. We've seen Occupy groups and unions unite in many actions--a BFD that strengthens both

In the Wal-Mart Black Friday strikes and protests it wasn't just the W-M workers protesting. They were supported in many locations by far larger numbers of supporters from Occupy and other groups.

More than 1,000 protested at a Wal-Mart in Paramount, CA on Black Friday, including W-M workers, Occupiers, labor groups, church groups, students, and others. Nine of the protesters--including a retired pastor in clerical collar--engaged in civil disobedience and were arrested.

Some of the more than 200 Occupiers supporting Wal-Mart workers...



Ret. Pastor William P. Miller arrested, cuffed, and being marched to Sheriff's van...



Stephanie, in Wal-Mart striker's T-shirt, signals fellow and sister protesters as she's marched away in cuffs...



This is what a labor protest looks like! (More photos here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021875581 )

It also reminds me of a song written and performed by some people I know, a song that mentions "a time and a season" to Stand:



The Kennedys - 'Stand' Lyrics
Songwriters: Maura Kennedy, Pete Kennedy, Curtis Mayfield
http://www.songlyrics.com/the-kennedys/stand-lyrics/

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #99)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:40 AM

113. Yup, thanks for the song by the way

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #99)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:36 PM

119. Occupy WalMart. Rolling Back Vultures.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 04:48 AM

101. UNION!!! It took Chicago & a team of community organizations to bring Unions back!

 




and it took a Chicago community organization team to have this concept happen.

It's about time democrats took back a word the repubs made into a bad one.

When Unions stand tallest, when Unions are a good thing- Democrats win the Presidency time and again.

1960,1964, 2008, 2012 Chicago and UNIONS won those elections

Is it any wonder the other side keeps trying to break all unions?

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 07:03 AM

103. There is something happening here

and what it is, is becoming increasingly clear. A lot of things are factoring into it, but Occupy had a LOT to do with moving us along. Whether you ike them, hate them or have a more nuanced view, they opened the dialogue about inequality and made it interesting enough so the press would cover it. That was a big step forward. Now there's gathering momentum fueled by the anger and frustration of more and more of the non-wealthy population. And for once, the guns are turned in the right direction.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 10:54 AM

105. I think TARP was the tipping point.

Socializing the risks while privatizing the profits didn't set right with Americans.

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Response to KansDem (Reply #105)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:46 AM

114. While it was needed to avoid a Great Depression

Historians will conclude that not having a few CEO class types face the judge was the tipping point.

Also...they needed some conditions, that were there in the contracts, were never enforced (ease the flow of money and lend to real, honest to goodness, small local businesses). This angered people to no end.

There are shades of gray here, but the real big one was...the head honchos not facing time in the clink. That was the real big one.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:22 AM

109. I was thinking the same thing.

Maybe it is the dire employment options or folks are just tired of their corporate masters shitting on them, but Unions are looking a lot more attractive to many workers who used to question the reasons for union membership.

This happened in the 1930s in a big way, so hopefully we will see it again over the next couple of years.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:26 AM

110. I absolutely love those classic, timeless songs.

Here is something from the post-punk era design to really get you going.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:03 PM

116. Which Side Are You On?

 


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Response to triplepoint (Reply #116)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:17 PM

117. Indeed

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Response to triplepoint (Reply #116)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 08:08 PM

129. An Excellent Watch and Thanks for this!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:30 PM

123. "This is a unique period in our history. And no state or federal official or agency is going to

“save" the United States. But we will. Believe it."
~~H2O MAN

Yep.




"We Can Work It Out"
(Lennon/McCartney)

Try to see it my way
Do I have to keep on talking till I can't go on?
While you see it your way
Run the risk of knowing that our love may soon be gone
We can work it out
We can work it out

Think of what you're saying
You can get it wrong and still you think that it's alright
Think of what I'm saying
We can work it out and get it straight, or say good night
We can work it out
We can work it out

Life is very short, and there's no time
For fussing and fighting, my friend
I have always thought that it's a crime
So I will ask you once again

Try to see it my way
Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong
While you see it your way
There's a chance that we may fall apart before too long
We can work it out
We can work it out

Life is very short, and there's no time
For fussing and fighting, my friend
I have always thought that it's a crime
So I will ask you once again

Try to see it my way
Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong
While you see it your way
There's a chance that we may fall apart before too long
We can work it out
We can work it out


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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:34 PM

126. This is great to hear! n/t

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 05:31 PM

127. We have the potential for a New Progressive Era and a New Deal 2.0

But, I think it's going to be an uphill fight, and I do mean fight. Even if we try to wage a non-violent revolution, there will be violent repression. We've already seen that in the attempts to suppress the Occupy encampments.

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Response to LongTomH (Reply #127)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 08:35 PM

133. As it always has been

May Day should be an American holiday.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 07:39 PM

128. What it is ain't exactly clear............................. n/t


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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 08:11 PM

130. Just like the fall of the Soviet Union, the end of the GOP will be swift.

A conservative bloc that has held onto power for far too long will find itself in the dustbin of history, leaving the rest of the country free to progress. That means union rights, safety net restoration, addressing climate change, etc.

It's happening right before our eyes.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 08:22 PM

131. Yep. But unless we actually take the next step this time........

you DO realize our grandchildren will be facing this same shit again in a century or so.

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Response to socialist_n_TN (Reply #131)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 08:34 PM

132. Yup...I will e brutally honest

This form of predatory capitalism won't survive, and it has little to do with labor. There are ther forces at play that have no precedent, see peak oil and climactic change.

Labor will be but one of the many forces at play here. And yes, it s unprecedented.

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