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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:50 PM

Grand Barg- ah fuckit: Obama says he'll do what it takes to avoid cliff (Seattle Times)

The White House and a key congressional Democrat hinted at fresh concessions on taxes and cuts to Medicare and other government benefit programs Wednesday as bargaining with Republicans lurched ahead to avoid the year-end "fiscal cliff" that threatens to send the economy into a tailspin.

Increasing numbers of rank-and-file Republicans also said they were ready to give ground, a boost for House Speaker John Boehner and other party leaders who say they will agree to higher tax revenues as part of a deal if it also curbs benefit programs as a way to rein in federal deficits.

"I'll go anywhere and I'll do whatever it takes to get this done," President Barack Obama said as he sought to build pressure on Republicans to accept his terms - a swift renewal of expiring tax cuts for all but the highest income earners. "It's too important for Washington to screw this up," he declared.


This is straight-up fucking WEAK. Sorry, I don't know enough pretty words to pretty up that much ugly.

What the fuck is up with this disturbingly submissive language?

Obama: To Get Debt Deal In 2nd Term, I’ll Wash John Boehner’s Car, I’ll Walk Mitch McConnell’s Dog
http://www.mediaite.com/online/obama-to-get-debt-deal-in-2nd-term-ill-wash-john-boehners-car-ill-walk-mitch-mcconnells-dog/

From The Young Turks:


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Reply Grand Barg- ah fuckit: Obama says he'll do what it takes to avoid cliff (Seattle Times) (Original post)
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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:53 PM

1. As a metaphor, having lived in mountainous country with lots of cliffs, one

way to avoid them is to not go near to them to begin with unless there is a bridge available.

Walk away President Obama and don't fall for their bluff. *pun intended*

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Response to Cleita (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:57 PM

3. It's like he's daring them to up the ante so he can give up even MORE. What. The. Fuck.

And that shit about car-washing and dog-walking. That doesn't sound Presidential. It sounds servile. Which is amazingly uncharacteristic of the President, because I've seen him lifted off the ground in a bear-hug by one of his supporters and he still looked Presidential.

Indeed. Walk away, Mr. President.

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:57 PM

2. Ok if this is true...................

 

I swore it would be over for Obama as far as I'm concerned! He just can't do it. He is still being the enabler and he has no idea how to handle a bunch of bullies and continues trying to reach an agreement with unreasonable assholes! Go ahead Barack give it all away so I can just say fuck it!

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:58 PM

4. These rich politicians are gonna throw us all over the cliff n/t

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:59 PM

5. I know this'll come off as ...

cheerleaderish; but ... has it not occurred to DUers yet, that political statements made to news outlets are made for a reason; and in most political situations, the reason is to set/influence perception, and that perception has very little to do with the behind the scenes reality?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:06 PM

7. Oh yeah, saying he'll wash John Boehner’s Car stealthily puts him in the cat-bird seat, doesn't it?

What a fucking load of fucking loads.

If it weren't for the fact that Obama already had a track record of rushing to put Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid on the Altar of Norquist for the Republicans, I wouldn't be so pissed. But he does.

The Republicans turned his sacrifice down last time.

That's the long and short of it. And he'll do anything to have them take his deal the second go-round.

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:46 PM

25. Yep, I expect POTUS to be crawling on the South Lawn with Bo next week

just to prove himself to the GOP.





The handwringing - same shiz, different year.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:15 PM

50. Are you kidding me? ...

If anything that hyperbolic B.S. should telegraph the insincerity!

I'm pretty certain, you've said sh!t out your mouth you knew, and everyone that knew you, knew you didn't mean.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:56 PM

60. Thank you. Yes. I agree. Why are people here always so anxious to believe the worst?

Of COURSE Obama will say he's doing everything possible to avoid going over the cliff. Then, when we have to go over it anyway, he'll be able to point the blame squarely where it belongs -- at the Rethugs.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #60)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:16 AM

67. Yep ...

It's almost like no one around here has EVER negotiated ANYTHING! No matter how many cards one holds, you gain only resistance when you publicly embarrass or attempt to force your opposition into public submission.

For those that want President Obama to publicly come out all "tough-guy, cowboy", here's a little assignment ... try it and report back how it works out for you.

Next time you and your SO are out in a social gathering ... Stand up, in the center of the room, and loudly demand that your SO go fetch you a drink or a cookie or anything. See how fast you get it ... and even if you eventually get the drink or the cookie (and it is not thrown in your face); see what happens the moment you get home.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #67)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:22 PM

88. LOL. I know I'd never try that with my SO. But maybe some people here would?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #88)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:09 PM

89. It just amazes me ...

that people here seem to expect the world of politics to operate differently than the world they spend everyday in.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:06 PM

6. The President clarifies his position.

"Look, I have offered 98% of the people a taxcut and asked the wealthy to pay just a little bit more. The Republicans are again threatening to not extend the debt limit if they do not get their way. We cannot abide with their extortion. I ask every citizen in America to not let the Congress do what it did last year when our credit rating was diminished.

Furthermore, we just went thru an election and the people spoke. I am doing my best to prevent us from going over the so-called "fiscal cliff". We will not permit our nation to be held hostage. If they cannot agree to this offer, then you know who to point your finger at . I have said my peace."

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But he will not say anything close to that.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:21 AM

68. If you haven't heard exactly that ...

You haven't been listening.

Maybe President Obama should throw in a couple M-Fs and summab!tches ... maybe then you will hear him!

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:07 PM

8. People like you make governing suck. You and the Grover Norquists of the world seem hellbent

on making sure that we get nothing from Washington but gridlock and hyperpartisanship. I realize many of you, and you may be one of them, are invested in gridlock, it's how many of you pay the bills (Cenk included), but it sucks for the rest of the country.

You are as ridiculous as any random teanutter if you can't recognize humor when you hear it, which would make you "disturbingly" humorless. You and Cenk should stop making our politics suck. Get a real job where someone actually gives a shit what you think.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:10 PM

9. Where is the humor??

Might I ask?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:11 PM

10. ...

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:12 PM

11. I wish I could rec your post.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:12 PM

12. Oh yeah, tell the seniors they're being little Grover Norquists because they don't...

...want their Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid cut.

Tell it to the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

Tell it to the Service Employees International Union.

Tell it to the National Education Association (NEA).

Tell it to the AARP.

Tell it to the Business Roundtable.

Tell it to the the National Coalition to Preserve Social Security and Medicare.

Because none of them want this shit either.

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:16 PM

14. "Tell it to the AARP. "

Maybe that should be a hint.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:39 PM

16. Yeah, like you really give a shit. Just another club to pound over the president's head. Stop.....

making our government suck! Earn your stripes someplace else. Every group you named is either a lobbying group, or some "activist" shellgame. You need to find a constructive way to earn your keep.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:42 PM

19. Those lobbying groups all lobbied FOR President Obama. Look how you TRASH them and us so quickly.



PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:30 PM

55. If you have to dig up an old video to make your point, then you're a dishonest person.

We've seen what the loss of common sense Republicans has done to cripple any kind of progress in Congress, and that seems to be your goal, only from "the left" (so you say). But, the good news of this past election is that people seem to have snapped out of it, even if temporarily. They seem to want to get things done, and the grandstanding by interest groups and lobbyists (left & right) may finally become a thing of the past.

If the results of this election signify anything, it's that the extremes of both parties were soundly rejected by the electorate. I mean, among all of them, they haven't quite managed to muster 2%.


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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:58 PM

62. What the everfucking fuck? You're AGAINST liberal special interests?

Holy shit, what a remarkably revealing and batshit stupid thing to say. Literally everything you have posted in this thread is proof positive that you don't give a fuck about any issue, this is ALL about Obama to you. I thought I couldn't respect you any less but, surprise, you found a new low.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #62)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:12 AM

64. I never had any such dilemma with regard to "respect" for you.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #64)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:16 AM

65. Thank God.

I'd wonder what I was doing wrong if some anti-liberal Dem-poser had anything positive to think about me on their way to climb in bed with the GOP.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:53 AM

73. Maybe you could name a couple of Extremes from the Left the people rejected so soundly....

I guess trying to protect Social Security and Medicare are now "Extreme" positions....along with Public Education and OSHA, and FEMA, NOAH, ending Wars, ........

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Response to Bandit (Reply #73)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:24 AM

74. Ever hear of Jill Stein, or as I like to refer to her, Ms. 0.03%? That's her impact on the 2012...

elections. I'd call that "extremely rejected".


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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #74)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:32 AM

76. So it is your insinuation that being Green is an extreme position

What exactly do you feel is so extreme with the idea we should start thinking Green. Granted a third Party has virtually no chance in a two Party system but does that invaidate their beliefs?

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Response to Bandit (Reply #76)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:14 PM

82. Oh, I don't know, why don't we take a poll?




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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:42 PM

17. >

 



The teabaggers are the purity trolls of the right. the left has too many purity trolls of their own.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:43 PM

22. Nailed it...nt

Sid

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:23 PM

39. giving up a strong hand for a weak hand is considered stupid by many people nt

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:25 PM

54. Ooh, hyperpartisanship. "It's so bad I had to make up a new word to even begin to describe it"

 



Gridlock; noun (hyperbole); when one faction attempts to extort unreasonable concessions from another and apologists for the first plea for submission.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:50 PM

59. Principled people? Yeah, they're such sticklers!

They totally make caving in seem like a bad thing. What bastards.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #59)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:32 AM

69. I suspect ...

you confuse taking a "principled" stand with talking about taking a principled stand.

Really ... have you ever negotiated anything; it generally doesn't serve you well to project to on-lookers that you will not budge, it only is met with an equally intransient opposition, because NO ONE wants to appear to their constitutiency to be weak.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:35 AM

71. If those who govern don't like it, they can quit. I'd rather it sucks to govern than eat cat food.

Boo fucking hoo for those who govern.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:15 PM

13. Sanders Applauds White House for Taking Social Security Off the Table in Deficit Talks

Sanders Applauds White House for Taking Social Security Off the Table in Deficit Talks

WASHINGTON, Nov. 27 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today welcomed White House assurances that Social Security benefits won’t be cut as part of negotiations on a year-end deficit-reduction deal.

“This is a step in the right direction for more than 55 million Americans who have earned Social Security benefits today and every working American who will receive Social Security benefits in the future,” said Sanders, the founder of the Senate Defending Social Security Caucus. “The simple truth is that Social Security has not contributed a nickel to the national debt so it makes no sense for it to be part of deficit negotiations,” he said.

“The American people have been clear that Social Security is enormously important to their well-being and that it should not be cut. The election and poll after poll show clearly that the American people want the wealthiest people and the largest corporations in this country, who are doing phenomenally well, to play a significant role in reducing the deficit,” Sanders added.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said on Monday that Social Security should be addressed separately from the lame-duck deficit negotiations. “We should address the drivers of the deficit and Social Security currently is not a driver of the deficit,” Carney said.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=cf62b3c8-54a6-4ace-ab5a-8996e7d16441

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014319000

Van Hollen takes Medicare age increase and Social Security off the table (updated)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021891741




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Response to ProSense (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:18 PM

15. You're posting shit from yesterday, this article is less than two hours old, from TODAY. nt

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:42 PM

18. You're posting MSM shit

designed to lead gullible people around by the nose.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:49 PM

27. And the embedded video that you find so 'servile' is far older.

The point?

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:54 PM

29. What a silly angle to work. The President making promises to wash cars...

...and walk dogs to the likes of Boehner and McConnel telegraphs as much weakness as his willingness to extend the sacrifices this afternoon/evening to the entire GOP in order to get them to sign on.

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:42 PM

45. Anyone who took that joke as a sincere rollover is naive, IMO.

It's bizarre how some consistently look for this President to meet their LOWEST expectations despite what he accomplishes in the face of relentless opposition from ALL angles.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #45)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:35 AM

70. The bigotry of low expectations ...

despite evidence of results?

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:57 PM

61. So? Obama SHOULD be publicly taking a position that HE is doing everything possible

to avoid going over the cliff. Then, when we go over it anyway, it will clearly be the other side's fault.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:43 PM

20. Speculative outrage is the best outrage...nt

Sid

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:43 PM

21. The politically naive should simply ignore the sausage making if they cannot stomach it.

 

Just sayin'.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:01 PM

32. It's my ass in the fucking sausage grinder

I'll be damned if I'm going to ignore someone grinding my ass into sausage.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:40 AM

77. +1

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:46 PM

23. Confident Obama sees path to fiscal cliff win

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84333.html#ixzz2DZHIpsc1

Obama knows that Republicans, by contrast, will have to get some significant spending concessions in order to sign off on tax increases and may resist a debt limit bump. If they don’t get real cuts, Republicans, including many key senators up for reelection in 2014, face increased prospects of bitter primary challenges. A deal with a small rate increase coupled with spending cuts would be much easier to sell to conservative constituents as an act of fiscal necessity.
So the president is aware that he, along with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and others, will have to do a strong sales job inside their party on some immediate spending trims along with a commitment to further reform.
One senior Democrat close to the White House said that despite current posturing, which this person said was more about laying down initial markers than setting absolute bottom lines, the party will eventually rally behind the president. “Trust me, at the end of this it’s not going to be our people that are the problem,” this person said.



Is this up to the minute enough for you?

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:46 PM

24. Just another excuse by some on DU to trash the President. Trashing. nt.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:49 PM

26. How about:: GOP divide over Obama tax plan goes public

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/28/politics/fiscal-cliff/?hpt=hp_t1


Let's begin our work with where we agree," the president said, noting the Senate has passed the measure and that both parties agree on holding down rates for the majority of taxpayers. "If we can get a few House Republicans to agree as well, I'll sign this bill as soon as the House sends it my way."
To applause from the White House audience that included those described by organizers as middle-class Americans, the president held up a pen to demonstrate his willingness to sign the law as soon as it reaches his desk.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:50 PM

28. Theres nothing wrong with what he said, it doesn't sound weak. You are being PETTY.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #28)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:55 PM

30. As if Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid are petty things? You're tipping your hand! nt

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:00 PM

31. Don't put fucking words in my post that I didn't say.

I'll need Social Security and Medicare just as much as any other middle classer.

Thats not what Obama is saying here at all. You are purposefully skewing the context and you KNOW it.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:03 PM

33. Don't Feed the Trolls.

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Response to DFab420 (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:54 AM

66. Excellent advice. I'm out.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:04 PM

34. You'd think some people on this board would trust Obama just a wee bit more by now

But no.

Cribbing one quote and calling him weak and submissive? This OP is crap.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:45 PM

56. Why? His games have increased the number of hostages each round and he has been the principle mover

of the debt gangs at each turn.

The TeaPubliKlans had a proposal moving for a binding deficit commission and instead of fighting the frame he buys in lock, stock, and barrel and the TeaPubliKlan co-sponsors drop off which killed it.
His response was not to let it go and move forward with climbing out of the hole but to actually push the issue with another commission with corporate fat cats and anti-safety net radicals chaired by the vile and hateful Simpson and Turd Way henchman Bowles.

It of course came to no resolution but still has become the framework for subsequent conversation.

Then we have the gangs that failed eventually into the current debacle after the stupid debt ceiling fiasco.
Mixed in with extending the toxic Bush tax cuts in another hostage situation.

I guess it depends on how you define trust. If you mean doing what I expect then I do trust that and I'm just not down. If you mean trust to do the right thing then I so no justification for such and plenty to the contrary.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:08 PM

35. If Obama looks like he is going to give, organized labor will cue us in on it

So far that has not happened yet, and the unions are standing strong for the president's approach.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:19 PM

37. That's incorrect: AFSCME, SEIU & NEA (at least) are all lobbying hard (including running ads) in...

...order to protect Social Security/Medicare/aid from being pissed away on a bad deal.

See here, from just a few hours ago:
Obama, GOP Mount 'Fiscal Cliff' Campaign Blitz
Meanwhile, an army of independent interest groups have also begun adding their voices to the debate, running TV and radio ads, posting billboards and gathering signatures in online petition campaigns.

A trio of union groups -- the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, the Service Employees International Union and the National Education Association (NEA) – last week launched a $300,000 TV and radio ad campaign across five states calling for higher taxes on the wealthy and no "cuts to vital services."


Some of the ads reportedly ran during televised coverage of Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade.

AARP, the Business Roundtable and the National Coalition to Preserve Social Security and Medicare have each readied campaigns of their own, hoping to remind lawmakers of their opposition to significant changes to entitlement programs.


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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:22 PM

38. You missed my point

And it would be pointless for me to try and explain it to you because you wouldn't be able to understand anyway.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #38)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:29 PM

41. Nah, just re-read your post, which is pretty clear. You ducking out just cause you got caught?



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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #38)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:46 PM

47. I mean, unless THREE unions fighitng against Social Security/Medicare/aid cuts isn't enough?

Does it have to be a multiple of 10 or something before it counts?



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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:21 PM

58. Very good point

I think the president might be trying to appear more open to entitlement reform than he really is so that he can blame the Republicans if they fail to make a deal by the end of the year. If he comes out now and says "no entitlement reform" he looks unreasonable. Like you said, if he actually looked like he was about to cave I think labor (and the AARP) would be out sounding the alarm.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:19 PM

36. I think you are overreacting.

It might be better to wait until there are a few more specifics before freaking out over a few comments to a newspaper.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:27 PM

40. Specifics? Here ya go, hot off the press from the Wall Street Journal:

Obama Flexible on Top Tax Rates
WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama signaled he wouldn't insist tax rates on upper-income Americans rise to Clinton-era peaks as part of a deficit-reduction deal, showing new flexibility as he tries to accelerate talks with congressional Republicans.

The shift marks a potentially important moment in Washington's effort to figure out how to handle tax rates that are due to snap higher next year, one of the thorniest elements of the so-called fiscal cliff.

--snip--

The White House has said it wants tax rates on household income above $250,000 to rise, with the other rates holding pat. A full return to Clinton-era rates would have households paying a 36% rate on income earned between $250,000 and $388,000, compared with 33% today, and 39.6% rate on income above that level, up from 35%.

The White House's flexibility, first described by Democrat Erskine Bowles after meetings with Mr. Obama and others, and confirmed by administration officials, could envision tax rates increase from their current levels but less than Clinton-era levels.


This only covers the specifics of the tax rate, any reciprocity involving social program cuts would never become available until the thing is actually called up for a vote.

BTW, there's a better way to deal with the problem. One that puts us in a better negotiating position in the new year. And it doesn't involve kowtowing to the Tea Party.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #40)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:31 PM

42. I think I trust our President on what is the "better negotiating position".

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Response to DCBob (Reply #42)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:32 PM

43. Shit dude, didn't you read the article? Tim Geithner is the lead negotiator, and he's a FUCKWIT.



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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:34 PM

44. I think he gets his orders from the President..

right?

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Response to DCBob (Reply #44)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:44 PM

46. Of course- and in doing so, you just validated my OP!



Tim Geithner
Dick Durbin
David Plouffe

All of them...taking orders from our President.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #46)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:48 PM

48. you sure have an odd way of twisting someones words..

jsut like you did with the President's words. ciao.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #42)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:06 PM

49. I wouldn't.

Nice guy and smart as hell...but he doesn't strike me as a decent poker player and probably gets talked into the undercoat when he buys a car. For someone to come out of Chicago ward politics, he doesn't have much of the political knife-fighter in him and he seems to trust bad people to have good intentions. Why else negotiate in good faith with Boehner twice after he tried to f**k you once? Even Reid took the hint when McConnell reneged on the filibuster deal.

Michelle Obama on the other hand is clearly shrewd beyond measure.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:18 PM

51. That's it! I've Had it! I won't vote for Obama for re-election a third time!





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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:18 PM

52. Romney is going to win!

 

MSM sucks

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:23 PM

53. october? that`s a thousand years ago...

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:45 PM

57. Why go repeatedly out of your way

 

to emphasize how desperate you are to cut a deal with another party? Especially when you're in a strong position. Especially when there's no good reason to be desperate. Sorry. There's no way someone that experienced could be that naive. There's no way someone that smart could be that stupid. There's no way a president coming off that kind of a reelection victory could be that weak kneed.

This is pure theater.

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Response to rudycantfail (Reply #57)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:40 AM

72. Bingo! n/t

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:00 AM

63. Most people here seem to have forgotten

that at one time Obama offered the other side a deal with only 1 part new revenue and 10 parts cuts -- and they said no to even that. People here were screaming about Obama making that offer, but he knew they'd never take it. He just did it to demonstrate how crazy they are.

And now, he's saying that he'll do whatever he can to avoid going over the cliff -- so they'll be the ones blamed when it happens.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:32 AM

75. Your outrage is duly noted. Are you going to do this for the next four years?

Look - Obama is president, and by now, we should know he's going to compromise and try to work with the other side, as least that's the public presentation. Of course he's going to say that.

I get so tired of these attack posts.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #75)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:46 AM

78. Not as tiring

as being told to stfu and accept it from the My President Right or Wrong crowd.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #75)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:49 AM

79. Of course because there is no price to pay for constantly being wrong with biased predictions.

In fact the more Obama smears included the more applause they get.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #75)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:02 PM

80. Look, fuck a 10-20 year deal with lame-duck Tea Partiers.

If the President, Dick Durbin, David Plouffe and co. are hell-bent on giving away the farm to do it, I'm going to complain all the way.



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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #80)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:23 PM

85. But how do you know they're hell bent on doing that?

I'm just saying that jumping the gun and calling Obama "weak" at this point rubs me the wrong way. I'm not saying we shouldn't question the information we're given but save the hysteria. If it turns out you're right, then by all means fire away.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #75)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:20 PM

84. Yes they will

They worry more about gamesmanship than people. The President is concerned about the well being of people - even though they chose a Republican dominated House.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:13 PM

81. Bitterness is your stock and trade.

 

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:18 PM

83. Why worry about the wording of every sentence?

And of course you're going to be selective about which sentences you pay attention to.

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Response to treestar (Reply #83)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:36 PM

87. A guy's gotta have something to write in GD, doncha know.

That news about President Obama winning that election kinda put the kibosh on bashing for a couple of weeks, you know. Time to fire it up again.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #87)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:15 PM

90. Ain't it the truth?

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