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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:17 PM

Does anyone else have a problem with weed?

I don't mean on a political level; I mean on the strictly personal.

I used to smoke periodically throughout college and my early-to-mid 20's to no ill-effect. It should be no surprise to anyone that it usually me calm and sleepy, and made my environment that much more interesting. But something weird happened a few years ago. As my life became more hectic and full of the normal stresses of adulthood, I suddenly found that the experience was no longer pleasant at all.

I was baffled to find the drug was suddenly having the exact opposite effect on me that I used to have. Smoking marijuana now made my brain seem to speed up, and I would eventually find myself bombarded by my own thoughts, many of them dealing with worries and insecurities that I was usually able to block out. These were (and still are) usually pedestrian issues having to do with money or career or being single, but when I got high, they immediately seemed unavoidable and insurmountable. This went far beyond typical paranoia. My entire body tensed up as I listened to loud, furious arguments in my own head, while friends looked on--"What's wrong? Dude, you need to relax."

The thing is, it USED to be relaxing; and at first, I was sure that the old effects would come back. A few months ago, after a particularly good week, I was feeling so secure and happy with my life that I decided to give it another try. An hour or two later, I had a nasty panic attack that left me weeping and curled up in a ball. Granted, I've had (on rare occasions) panic attacks while completely sober and clear-headed, but it's not the sort of thing I want to take a chance with. And this happened while I was alone in my own apartment; I shudder to think what would happen if I had been smoking while driving as I had done in the past. Long story short, I decided then and there never to smoke again.

I bring this up here because, if marijuana becomes legal in all 50 states--and I personally think it should and will) use of recreational weed will go up, and I'm sure most experiences will be positive. But people are kidding themselves if they think that it's a perfect (ie harmless) drug that has universally beneficial effects. Like alcohol, some can handle it and some just can't, no matter how much they would like to.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:19 PM

1. Your environment changed

Do something pointlessly fun while you smoke.

I'd recommend video games, but then, I'm a lifelong gamer of all genres.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:20 PM

2. All in moderation, maybe you should smoke it.

Too much Coffee makes me like that also.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:21 PM

3. It's perfectly fine for everyone said no one ever.

Did the problems you felt it caused stop when you stopped using? Problem solved.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:22 PM

4. some people romanticize it

most people are realistic about it, a lot of people who want legalization don't even smoke.

Myself, smoking pot made my teeth hurt, to this day if I smell pot my teeth start aching.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:47 PM

170. I don't want kids that try it to end up with a criminal stain on their record. My state was among

the first to decriminalize for amounts at or below a specific amount. We recently legalized weed for medical uses. Both changed took place by popular vote.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:22 PM

5. Legalizing weed means the incidence of respiratory disease will tick up.

People who put smoke into their lungs will not be able to run or ride a bike as much as others do. Sure, there will be some who claim it doesn't bother them but the truth is for most, it will have an adverse affect on their health.

I think weed should be decriminalized but not legalized. It should be discouraged just as alcohol and cigarettes are discouraged.

And for those who say there are other ways to ingest it, that's true. But if it was legalized, the vast majority of users would not take the time to bake it or vaporize it. They want a quick pick-me-up. And that means smoking it.

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:31 PM

13. I smoke AND use it in baking. When I smoke it's right before bed and

only 3-6 hits. I take in more cigarette smoke (secondhand) than that just walking down the streets here on my way home from work.

Haven't noticed respiratory problems at all.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:35 PM

18. One experience isn't much to extrapolate from.

I'm glad you don't have any problems now but that doesn't mean something isn't waiting 'in the wings' or 'in the lungs', so to speak.

If weed was more widely and openly used, there would be an overall health impact. It's axiomatic. You put smoke in your lungs, bad things will happen.

I smoked tobacco 20 years ago and quit. I get high on running and biking now. I would NEVER give those pleasures up.

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Response to randome (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:05 PM

47. I don't use cannabis to "get high", lol. I use it to control back/neck/nerve pain and

to help me with sleep because insomnia was becoming an issue.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #47)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:30 PM

61. Got you! My mistake!

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Response to randome (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:08 PM

150. Weed is widely and openly used and has been for decades.

Where's the epidemiological data on the increase in lung disease?

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #150)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:39 PM

165. Don't know.

This link posted elsewhere highlights the fact that the smoke DOES contain carcinogens.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

And it is only openly and widely used in some parts of the country. Admittedly, I don't have my finger on the pulse of the nation but from my standpoint, it's not widely available everywhere.

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Response to randome (Reply #165)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:34 AM

177. Not that widely available everywhere?

 

Are you kidding?

Have you ever heard of Barrow Alaska? The movie "Big Miracle" was based on its location, the farthest most village in North America. It had a seizure of 150,000 dollars worth of marijuana a few days ago.

If you don't think it is easy to find you are deluding yourself.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #177)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:43 AM

193. Barrow, Alaska is hardly 'easy to find' -unless you live in Alaska.

And 150,000 dollars worth sounds like a smuggling operation to me. Like I said, I do not have my finger on the pulse of the nation but I don't see a seizure of marijuana means it's easily available everywhere else.

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Response to randome (Reply #165)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:51 AM

186. Um..

I don't disagree about smoke, in the basic. Burned material is not intended to go into the lungs. In any form.

But your other statement is flat wrong. I don't smoke. Or vape. Or eat brownies.in fact I am allergic to the stuff, as well as being fairly asthematic. But I did just complete a 3 month trip through 9 provinces and 31 states. And there is pot all up ones side of this country, down the other, and filling the middle. I am pretty sure its only slightly harder to get than alcohol in any major city in the us, possibly easier for underage persons.

I support legalization because too many lives are harmed and it has too many medical applications to ignore.

But it also makes sense on a health level. Pot is already pervasive, and there are a lot of smokers. Make it easier to vape and bake and make tinctures, and any health detriments will be reduced. As I understand it, the medical benefits are also enhanced by using the non smoke forms.

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:46 PM

26. Has it been shown to cause respiratory illness?



I'm not aware of that.

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:48 PM

31. Being illegal makes it difficult to have a sizeable sample population.

But I think it's axiomatic. Smoke is not good for the lungs.

Feel free to start your own study. Not me!

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Response to randome (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:58 PM

77. That's randome for: "Nope, but I want to blather on like it has..."



Feel free to start your own study. Not me!


Science doesn't work that way. YOU need evidence for YOUR claims. Nobody else needs to disprove your fabrications.

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Response to Romulox (Reply #77)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:08 PM

81. I don't think you do your position much credit by denying smoke is bad for the lungs.

Since weed is currently illegal, I think it's upon you to prove that smoke does NOT harm the lungs.

Marijuana may not be as carcinogenic as tobacco but it IS carcinogenic. For those who value their health, smoking of any kind is not a good thing.

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Response to randome (Reply #81)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:11 PM

84. Scientific studies don't support your argument, randome. This stream-of-consciousness stuff isn't a

substitute for peer-reviewed scientific studies. It just isn't.

Marijuana may not be as carcinogenic as tobacco but it IS carcinogenic.


Evidence?

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Response to Romulox (Reply #84)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:18 PM

86. Here's one.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

Both types of smoke contain carcinogens and particulate matter that promotes inflammatory immune responses that may enhance the carcinogenic effects of the smoke.


It goes on to say the effects of marijuana may not be as bad as assumed. Still, there isn't any doubt that when you're smoking it, you are putting smoke and carcinogens into your lungs. I prefer to remain healthy, that's all. And I think it's a good idea to point out that smoke in your lungs is not good.

I'm not stopping you from smoking, am I?

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Response to randome (Reply #86)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:22 PM

88. You didn't understand: "tobacco smoke, but not cannabis smoke, may result in lung cancer"?

Do you know what "carcinogenic" means? Because your link says the opposite of what you claim.

Second paragraph from YOUR link:

While cannabis smoke has been implicated in respiratory dysfunction, including the conversion of respiratory cells to what appears to be a pre-cancerous state , it has not been causally linked with tobacco related cancers such as lung, colon or rectal cancers.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

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Response to Romulox (Reply #88)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:28 PM

92. I blockmarked the passage.

Both types of smoke contain carcinogens and particulate matter that promotes inflammatory immune responses that may enhance the carcinogenic effects of the smoke.


My point is that it IS carcinogenic. A 'pre-cancerous state' is not a good thing, IMO.

Feel free to take the chance for yourself, I won't. And I think it's important to point out that one is gambling with health risks all for the sake of feeling buzzed.

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Response to randome (Reply #92)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:33 PM

97. I see your confusion. "Carcinogenic" means "causes cancer". THAT was your claim in post #81.

The link you yourself provided flatly refutes your claim.

While cannabis smoke has been implicated in respiratory dysfunction, including the conversion of respiratory cells to what appears to be a pre-cancerous state , it has not been causally linked with tobacco related cancers such as lung, colon or rectal cancers.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/



randome (8,465 posts)
81. I don't think you do your position much credit by denying smoke is bad for the lungs.

Since weed is currently illegal, I think it's upon you to prove that smoke does NOT harm the lungs.

Marijuana may not be as carcinogenic as tobacco but it IS carcinogenic. For those who value their health, smoking of any kind is not a good thing. Idealism is fine but soldiers win the war.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1896410

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Response to Romulox (Reply #97)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:35 PM

100. That's fine. It may not be carcinogenic but it does contain carcinogens.

That puts it off my list of things to do.

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Response to randome (Reply #100)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:39 PM

104. In other words, no evidence, but you won't be deterred from posting misinformation.

That's what a profoundly illogical p.o.v. is all about: it is not changeable via evidence, because it is not supported by any evidence.

More like a moralistic religious fervor.

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Response to Romulox (Reply #104)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:43 PM

108. Marijuana smoke contains carcinogens. That's a fact.

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Response to randome (Reply #108)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:46 PM

111. That you can't provide any cite for whatsoever. More "facts" off the top of your head, I guess.

A stoner could blame the drugs, the next day. You have no alibi for your foolishness.

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Response to Romulox (Reply #111)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:50 PM

114. The blockmarked passage I listed twice now.

Both types of smoke contain carcinogens and particulate matter that promotes inflammatory immune responses that may enhance the carcinogenic effects of the smoke.


From the same site we both linked to. I count that as a cite. And I already acknowledged the difference between saying something contains carcinogens and saying it is carcinogenic.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

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Response to randome (Reply #92)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:53 PM

118. For all your bloviating you could replace the word

cannabis with "alcohol" and I might agree. It is my experience and belief that alcohol causes much more harm to yourself and those around you than cannabis ever will.

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Response to Callmecrazy (Reply #118)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 05:01 PM

119. For the most part, I agree.

But society is not always logical or consistent about what types of drugs to permit. The society we have now came about in fits and starts and we can't go back and change how it developed.

The reality for today is that we have alcohol and tobacco legal. In general, I'm against adding another drug to the mix. The society we have today is the one we need to deal with.

But I do agree with decriminalization. And, as I mentioned elsewhere, I could probably be swayed to having pot regulated and discouraged the same way tobacco and alcohol are.

Not that swaying me one way or another will affect any of this. It's just my point of view.

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Response to randome (Reply #81)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:13 PM

85. Yeah, smoke can be bad for the lungs..

but honestly, just reading your posts, you seem to always find a reason to be anti pot..

Yeah, the War on Drugs is a good thing..

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Response to Upton (Reply #85)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:22 PM

89. The 'War on Drugs' is not the same as decriminalizing marijuana.

I will NEVER support making heroin and cocaine freely available. Mixing that position up with marijuana is disingenuous, IMO.

That's why I am in favor of decriminalization. It makes no sense to put someone in jail for smoking a harmless weed. By the same token, it doesn't make sense to me for anyone to spend more than five minutes trying to legalize it. It's a weed. Other things in the world are made illegal that most of us couldn't give a damn about.

The only reason so much effort is put into making weed legal is because some want to get high. I get that, I really do. But it's not worth the effort, IMO.

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Response to randome (Reply #89)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:29 PM

94. I see..

decriminalization but no legalization for pot. And because other things are illegal,...who gives a fuck about all those lives the war on marijuana users has affected negatively..

Have I got that straight?

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Response to Upton (Reply #94)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:34 PM

98. I don't agree with incarcerating someone for possession.

So I guess I do 'give a fuck' about those whose lives have been affected negatively. But I don't think it's a good idea to encourage smoking of any kind. The government makes labels on cigarettes and alcohol mandatory in an effort to encourage healthier habits. I would not like to see that trend reversed.

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Response to randome (Reply #98)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:41 PM

107. So, other forms of delivery other than smoking would be okay with you..

okay, I can accept that..but why not do the same thing for pot as with tobacco and alcohol, warnings and age limits, but legal?

I rarely drink. I don't smoke tobacco. I use pot daily. I don't see why I should be discriminated against for my choices..

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Response to Upton (Reply #107)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:44 PM

109. I could be swayed to that position.

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Response to randome (Reply #89)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:35 PM

99. You've spent way more than 5 minutes posting misinformation in this very thread.

You are transparent.

By the same token, it doesn't make sense to me for anyone to spend more than five minutes trying to legalize it. It's a weed. Other things in the world are made illegal that most of us couldn't give a damn about.


Well, that's profoundly illogical.

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Response to Romulox (Reply #99)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:41 PM

105. Like I said before...

...if you need to go outside yourself to see inside, you have already lost the perspective you wanted.

Getting high means nothing to me. I have quite a fulfilling life without it. And 2 beautiful, intelligent daughters who inspire me every day. I think it's important to point out that there are other ways of looking at the subject.

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Response to randome (Reply #105)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:44 PM

110. That goes to show you that bad poetry, trite expressions, and a fact-free worldview

aren't limited to stoners.

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Response to randome (Reply #105)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:03 AM

191. Getting high means nothing to me???

You need to read your own posts. You have repeatedly stated that you get high from biking and running, or didn't you really mean that? I really don't get why you are now bringing your daughters into the argument. BTW, for those of us with plantar fasciitis, running and biking is a very unpleasant thing. I seldom drink, haven't smoked tobacco since '87. If I smoke a little weed once every four or five months with friends, at 69 I'm not the least bit worried about whether or not there are carcinogens in the weed. I just want weed that doesn't have other additives.

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Response to Bohunk68 (Reply #191)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:40 AM

192. Getting high from outside means nothing to me.

My daughters aren't strictly relevant, I'll admit. But I think one thing that divides the 'legalize' and 'don't legalize' camps is the presence or absence of a family. That's just a guess on my part, of course, hardly a scientific study.

And I have no problem at all with you smoking all you want. Truly. But I think it should be regulated and discouraged in the same way alcohol and tobacco are regulated and discouraged.

Your specific condition is not the same for the vast majority of others. And I would argue you would be healthier overall if you stopped but I can't prove that.

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Response to randome (Reply #81)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:48 PM

113. Hang on a sec...

As a lifelong smoker of cannabis I can say (for myself) that the smoke is not bad for my lungs. And in fact cannabis has shown to be able to attack cancerous tumors.

Show me a study that says cannabis causes cancer.

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Response to Callmecrazy (Reply #113)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:52 PM

117. I don't say that it causes cancer.

But the smoke does contain carcinogens. I don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that it's a good idea to put smoke into your lungs. It's clearly not as bad as nicotine but it's not good, either.

And no, I don't have proof of that. I think it's axiomatic.

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Response to randome (Reply #81)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:39 AM

221. I imagine those who value their health never do those things, either...

Or being near to vehicle emissions.... or sitting around a campfire and breathing.... or allowing alcohol to touch one's liver. I imagine those who value their health never do those things, either... unless we're simply allowing a lower standard for one or the other thing.

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Response to randome (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:09 PM

83. And alcohol isn't good for the liver....or reflexes if you're not coordinated to begin with.

But it should be legal anyway. Decriminalized AND legal. It's a plant. It's green. What? Next they're going to make salt illegal because it raises blood pressure?

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Response to loudsue (Reply #83)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:25 PM

90. It should be decriminalized but not legalized, IMO.

It should be discouraged just as strongly as tobacco and alcohol. Cigarettes are not as 'cool' as they once were and that's a plus in the health of the general population, IMO. Are we going to reverse that trend and make it 'cool' to smoke again?

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Response to randome (Reply #90)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:16 PM

143. How many people think drinking is cool? How many die a year? Why are you not worried about that?

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Response to Logical (Reply #143)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:26 PM

146. I AM worried about it.

I am in favor of alcohol and tobacco being strictly regulated and even discouraged by the government. I would prefer NOT to add a third drug to the mix of societal ills.

If it was ever legalized, I have said elsewhere in this thread that I could probably accept it if it was, like alcohol and tobacco, strongly regulated and discouraged.

It's not just government currently doing this, either. It's no longer 'cool' to smoke cigarettes. I would hate to reverse that trend and have smoking -in any form- be 'cool' again.

Sorry, I pretty much repeated my post #90 without realizing it. But my first point remains, I do not condone cigarettes or alcohol. They are obviously big problems in our society.

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Response to Logical (Reply #143)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:14 AM

206. For me NOTHING is more dangerous than alcohol.............

 

Flat out I would be safer with a quart of morphine than a quart of grain alcohol.

Every motorcycle I crashed, every legal problem, every time I got my ass kicked or hurt some one else alcohol was involved.

PCP & Bath salts & maybe crack & crystal meth are about the only things more dangerous.

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Response to randome (Reply #90)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:12 PM

152. Why not just go and legalize it?

Do you want the cops to continue to be able to roust people carrying small amounts of weed? That decriminalization.

Do you want the wholesale markets controlled by criminal gangs? That's decriminalization.

Do you people to continue to go to prison for growing a plant? That's decriminalization.

You cite the examples of alcohol and tobacco. We have had effective public health campaigns around them without resorting to making criminals out of their users, producers, and purveyors. We should treat marijuana no more stringently.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #152)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:33 PM

163. Decriminalization, to my way of thinking, means a small fine. Not jail.

And strong discouragement from both government and society in general. Smoking anything is not good for you. We've reached the point where smoking is no longer 'cool'. I prefer it that way, both for myself and my daughters and their friends.

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Response to randome (Reply #163)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:20 AM

198. We already have decriminalization in Washington state..

at least until Dec. 6th, anything less than 40 grams is a misdemeanor which you can be cited for. That very simply isn't good enough.

There's a reason why I-502 passed so easily. Your fervent opposition to pot is really hard to understand. Your daughters are your business, but what the rest of us do isn't..

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Response to Upton (Reply #198)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:36 AM

200. How is it different from tobacco and alcohol?

I'm 'allowed' to weigh in on those drugs but not pot? My point of view won't affect anything but, when asked, I prefer, as I said, that pot be regulated and discouraged in the same way alcohol and tobacco are.

Alcohol and tobacco use are as much my business as pot. There is a reason that smoking is no longer 'cool'. There is a reason that driving while under the influence is against the law.

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Response to randome (Reply #200)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:46 AM

201. How is it different than tobacco and alcohol?

You seem to have very little difficulty in backing their continued legalization, but for some reason you're unable to go along with granting pot that same legal status..

Again, very hard to understand.

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Response to Upton (Reply #201)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:54 AM

208. You're right, it's not very consistent.

Neither is the society we find ourselves in today. We have enough problems with 2 legal drugs. I just think legalizing a third in an effort to be consistent is not worth the effort.

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:44 PM

137. (2008), Bullous lung disease due to marijuana. Respirology, 13: 122–127.

HII, S. W., TAM, J. D. C., THOMPSON, B. R. and NAUGHTON, M. T. (2008), Bullous lung disease due to marijuana. Respirology, 13: 122–127. doi: 10.1111/j.1440-1843.2007.01186.x


Background and objective: In contrast to the well-described effects of tobacco smoking upon pulmonary emphysema, with ∼15% of smokers being affected at the age of 65 years, the effects of marijuana smoking are rarely reported and poorly understood.

Results: High-resolution CT revealed asymmetrical, variably sized, emphysematous bullae in the upper and mid zones. However, the CXR was normal in four patients and lung function was normal in five.

Conclusions: Marijuana smoking leads to asymmetrical bullous disease, often in the setting of normal CXR and lung function. In subjects who smoke marijuana, these pathological changes occur at a younger age (approximately 20 years earlier) than in tobacco smokers.

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Response to yawnmaster (Reply #137)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:46 PM

169. no, tobacco smoke is magical. it's unlike any other smoke known to man. that guy doesn't

 

know what he's talking about.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #169)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:39 PM

225. Huh? I'm not sure of what you are saying. eom

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:47 PM

29. My husband has a vaporizer

no problems for lungs at all…and its a small hand held thing that looks like a cell phone, we got it at head shop in New Orleans. I think its made in Canada.

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Response to marlakay (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:51 PM

34. There's no doubt that's safer.

But in a much larger population, many, if not most, would choose to light up because it requires nothing more than a joint and a match. And the affects are faster, if I'm not mistaken. If I'm wrong about that, please correct me.

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Response to randome (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:05 PM

48. From what I understand, pot smokers don't have much of a breathing problem.

Because of the way pot smokers smoke. Cigarette smokers smoke as though they are breathing. Pot smokers "take a hit," meaning they breathe in a "sucking all the juice out" way. Then they pass around or just relax. They don't smoke it like cigarettes, or like chain smokers where it's one after another all day everyday.

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Response to Neoma (Reply #48)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:31 PM

95. Maybe so. But I wonder if there has been a study on that?

At the very least, smoke irritates the lungs so I would think it would have a negative affect.

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Response to randome (Reply #95)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:10 PM

126. So does smog, but at least the pot has other desirable effects

Human DNA contains carcinogens. All of life contains the risk of death and damage.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #126)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:07 PM

142. So why bother trying to live longer?

Sorry, I don't ascribe to the theory that my life doesn't matter. And if I conclude that it matters, then I want it to last as long as possible. And with as little discomfort as possible.

It's wise to avoid smog, too.

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Response to randome (Reply #142)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:30 PM

158. Quality of life matters far more to me than quantity of life

People who will do anything to live long will ultimately be disappointed, there's just no escaping that fact.

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Response to randome (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:08 PM

51. Vaporizer effects are just as quick as smoke.

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Response to ArcticFox (Reply #51)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:36 PM

63. I did not know that.

Should be much healthier, too. I still think most people would light up, though, if was widely legalized.

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Response to randome (Reply #63)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:47 AM

181. I think many of them already are lighting up.

Pot isn't all that uncommon presently.

Also, Many of those newer users would drink less, with less liver issues offsetting whatever increase you'd see in lung issues.

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:01 PM

43. How do you feel about HFCS?

I hear that shit will kill you.

I think most people smoke as opposed to other means of ingestion is because it is the most effective way to self-regulate the dosage.

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:56 PM

75. More nonsense from randome. You cannot back up this claim with any objective source.

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Response to tama (Reply #130)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:04 PM

141. The smoke is still full of carcinogens.

And I really doubt the study's findings that putting marijuana smoke in your lungs actually HELPS lung function.

That only applies, however, to those who toke 2-3 times a month. For heavier users, there WAS impaired lung function, according to the study. I'm sure the same thing can be said for cigarette users -smoking only a little doesn't do much harm.

It also claims that smoking marijuana leads to 'slimming effects', which is at odds with what DUers have to say on the subject in this very thread.

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Response to randome (Reply #141)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:51 AM

182. I've never gotten the munchies

And sativa strains really can energize you.

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:48 PM

172. Alcohol and cigarettes are legal, not just decriminalized--yet both of those

products are more dangerous than weed.

Many people cannot tolerate milk, but I think milk and milk products should remain legal--not just be decriminalized--even though my friend's 3-year-old son recently had a dangerous allergic reaction to it, a reaction he had never had before.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #172)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:51 PM

173. Sure, you have a point.

But alcohol and tobacco are also strongly discouraged by government and society in general. IMO, we don't need to add a third drug to the list of available drugs. We barely manage to contain the ills caused by the first two.

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Response to randome (Reply #173)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:09 AM

204. So when I see a TV commercial for 'Birthday Cake flavored Vodka' is that society

and governement strongly discouraging the use of that self same Vodka? It is absurd to claim that a product which is legally sold and heavily advertized is 'strongly discouraged by society'. I see the President host 'beer summits' and 'cocktail parties', sending a strong message against alcohol!
Do you read what you type?

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #204)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:57 AM

209. Do you read the labels on most bottles of alcohol?

I would be in favor of restricting or even eliminating alcohol commercials in the same manner that tobacco commercials were outlawed.

The taxes on tobacco are a very strong discouragement. And the labels and public outreach against alcohol abuse are a good thing, IMO.

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:47 AM

178. The latest scientific evidence

doesn't back that up.

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/761540/pot_may_not_harm_lungs%2C_new_study_says

Marijuana is a powerful bronchial dilator - so much so that doctors have "prescribed" it to asthma patients for at least 20 years. Most of them drink it in tea (I used to give all my stems and seeds to a friend with severe asthma) but smoking it does not appear to have the same harmful effects as cigarettes.

People also smoke weed very differently than they smoke cigarettes.

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Response to drmeow (Reply #178)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:02 AM

194. Just like the other study in this thread, it refers to infrequent use.

Heavier users would no doubt exhibit more serious effects. That's just my guess, of course.

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:13 AM

211. Anything you inhale can be harmful

I once read an article (can't find the link) in which a study linked the use of incense to respiratory problems.

I, myself, even have difficulty with fireplace smoke because of severe sinusitis.

My mother has a terrible allergy to marijuana. She breaks out in hives and her throat closes even if she's near the plant...as she found out the hard way one day, when walking where we didn't know MJ was being grown.

So I do think that, as with cigarettes, MJ should be legal--but smoking weed shouldn't be allowed in public places. There are too many people with asthma and other problems who are affected by smoke of any kind.

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:41 AM

222. The price of personal liberty is some people will suffer.

Some will abuse said liberty and hurt themselves or others. As for me I come down on the side of personal liberty, not safety. I am a staunch advocate of alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, harder drugs, guns, contraception, abortion, pornography, and prostitution all being legal.

Cannabis should be treated just like beer or wine. You can produce 100-200 gallons per calendar year of wine depending on how many adult in a household. Make Cannabis legal to consume, and legal to produce in small amounts for your own consumption. And tax the hell out of it on the commercial level.

While I don't smoke anything, I look forward to the day Cannabis is fully legal. It will put the anti-smoking and health advocates into such a frenzy that I will sit back and laugh my ass off.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:25 PM

6. There may be a few things going on here

Don't know how old you are, but the strength of today's pot is substantially greater than it was 20 or even 10 years ago. I'm in CA and the medical marijuana places have seemingly endless strains, a lot of which are pretty damn potent. So it's possible that the stuff that's around today is just too strong and not pleasant at all.

The other possibility is that you body or mind, for whatever reason, is reacting badly to weed. This is not that unusual as you get older. 30 years ago, there was a story in Rolling Stone about this. A bunch of old hippies had to stop smoking as their responses to it were no longer the way it used to. Panic attacks are a bad side effect and you are wise to just stop smoking at this point in your life.

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Response to NICO9000 (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:11 PM

127. I totally agree

...some of the pot these days puts you squarely into cartoonville BUT...try tiny amounts of any weed you get. You'll find for yourself a nice, moderated buzz that precludes paranoia. The beauty of legalization, by the way, is we can actually label which of the batches are mild and cheery and which are not.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:26 PM

7. About every day for 40 years.

Still works for me, but I know several other including my brother that their experience has changed for the worst.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:28 PM

8. My experience was similar.

I was still in my teens, a regular recreational user. Then I either got some bad pot or my wiring just shorted out. I had one of those nasty panic attacks you describe and had to call a friend to come hold my hand until I became "normal" again.

I haven't smoked in several years. Whenever I have smoked since that occasion, I have been (as a former boyfriend describes it) "squirrelly." I squirm all over the place, eyes darting around the room, wondering whether my unease is visible to others, wondering when I'm going to be able to think clearly again...in short, just waiting for it to be "over."

Since Einstein's definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results, I finally gave up hope for a different outcome.

I have no problem with others doing it, even being in the same room with smokers--although the silliness can be irritating to those of us with clear heads. I just know it's not for me.

Kids need a lot of education if they're going to use this--or any--drug safely. Heck, my kid can barely handle caffeine.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:28 PM

9. You probably got ahold of some sativa instead of indica.

Strain matters. A LOT.

I have a variety on hand that is rather heady and sativa-ish that I prefer not to use before bed (though it's not a problem when made into oil and put in brownies). I prefer to smoke indicas or indica-dominant strains since I only use it before bed.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:25 PM

58. What you said... exactly. Indica (ingested) forever for this old man. nt

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 05:51 PM

122. i was just going to suggest the same thing

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:01 AM

203. Good Point - go with the indica

If it makes you nervous, try going with a kush and not a haze and get good pot that has been grown organically and has no pesticides. I'm allergic to pot but my boyfriend and all my friends smoke and most prefer indica dominant strains to mellow them out.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:29 PM

10. As I got older

the pot got better. Those two things together made my experience quite different than the early years. Now a small hit would send me into a weird space in my head, not hyper but very trippy and not comfortable. I have also found that as I have gotten older I am less comfortable not being in control and am always afraid of saying something really stupid and hearing about it later, that is my own problem not the pot.

I quit a long time ago using it with any regularity. I have smoked a few times off and on since then but the experience is not that great anymore for me. Sad about that but it is what it is. I have other friends who smoke a lot and this has never been a problem for them.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:30 PM

11. I can't smoke it anymore

Just one hit makes me feel like shit the next day.

I'm also amazed it's used for pain management, because every little ache I have is magnified x100 when I'm high.

Don't enjoy it at all.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:31 PM

12. I agree with the last

Could be the type--some weeds are sleepy, and some are more active.

Could be the caffeine, if you drink a lot of coffee. When I got old, I had to begin cutting back on it, as it caused just the type of symptoms you describe.

Could be you're getting some sort of impure variety, cut with something. If others who smoke it aren't reacting the same, that probably isn't it.

My own personal journey led me to the same place, where I was agitated a lot, found I didn't care for the people I was forced to hang around with, they became kind of petty and back-biting. I just decided to stop.

While I recognize weed isn't as bad as alcohol, and does have helpful qualities, I would never go so far as to encourage anyone to start it, or use it regularly. If you do smoke, realize the difference between doing a bong hit once every week or so, and smoking daily. Bottom-line is, saying it has no down-side is bunk--but it shouldn't be illegal.

I've quit for 15 years now, so I'm living proof one can do it. I had to pretty much cut myself off from most everyone but my most respectful, closest friends, who do me the favor of not smoking around me.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:31 PM

14. I'm not certain I understand your concern.

Do you think if pot is legal that everyone will be required to smoke it? It seems to me that if it's not a pleasurable thing to use, the thing to do would be to not use. I'm not being facetious. I really am trying to understand.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:04 PM

46. I'm wasn't really "concerned"...

...so much as curious in finding out if anyone else has had the same experience. Since legalization is in the news, and pot will be available to more people than ever before, I thought it was relevant. For the record, I still think it should be legal in all 50 states, but should be regulated in the way alcohol currently is.

It's gratifying to know I'm not the only one with this problem; my friends (who are by and large the same age as me) really don't know what to make of it.

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Response to Bicoastal (Reply #46)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:13 PM

53. I don't think you're alone.

My husband never liked it because he says it makes him paranoid. I wonder if it's not similar to the experience you had.

I am anxious for it to become legal, and not for my personal use. Prohibition is expensive and harmful. If we could trace the dollars, I think we'd find some very powerful and respected businessmen and politicians the end of the bootleg trail. That, IMHO, is the reason that it continues to be classified and criminalized as it is.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #53)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:35 AM

214. about paranoid..

when I was younger, in the 70's, and smoked, I would get paranoid, sometimes.
Years later, no paranoia.

tho I am sensing, from what I hear in this thread, that the type of pot may have something to do with it.
or not.



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Response to Bicoastal (Reply #46)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:46 PM

226. how do you know you're not smoking that fake weed or pot with some additive like pcp?

now those will make you sick and paranoid. Curling up in a ball crying is something I have never seen anyone do after plain old marijuana.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:32 PM

15. Yes and no

I understand what you are describing.

It's worth noting that the main psychoactive compounds have opposing effects, and strains are bred to vary in their concentrations of each. On one end of the spectrum you have the relaxing compounds, and on the other, the energizing/mentally stimulating ones. And in between, a range.

But in general I agree with you. I don't like it nearly as much as I did as a teen. Even though there are certain health benfits to me, I just don't like it and have no incentive to use it.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:03 AM

184. Ever try a high cbd strain?

Refer to my other post.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:34 PM

16. I'm sorry for you....

No snark intended. Seriously. I've smoked pot almost daily for nearly 40 years, and enjoy it more now than ever. I find it tremendously relaxing, however I've also learned that it can magnify anxiety as well. The solution, for me, is to simply discount any anxiety I feel-- it's usually situational-- and shrug it off. "Don't worry about that now, you're stoned." Works like a charm, most of the time, probably because I'm stoned, LOL.

For me though, it's really true that pot will get you through times without money better than money will get you through times with no pot!

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:34 PM

17. Two very important things...

 

Just as not all booze has the same effect on an individual, neither is all mj identical with identical characteristics. There's busy pot, one might smoke before a day in the garden, but not good for setting around by oneself with nothing to do, as it will cause ansty-ness when hands are idle, there's sleepy pot for when you want to relax, veg, or sleep.

People all over say and believe and I think they are correct, "man, I can't drink Tequila, it makes me crazy" and I've seen how bourbon and sour mash whicskey seem to make men (sorry never knew any women bourbon drinkers) very pushy and borderline aggressive, rum seems to make people a bit happy go lucky, ... well mj is no different.

Regardless, you would never be forced to smoke if it was legal, nor would anyone else. Just a folks are capable of saying and following thru with, "man I don't drink tequila because..." and you seem to analyze your situation and determine likely that mj isn't your cup of tea, there's no more to worry about than there already is with alcohol.

Secondly, how much you smoke can make a huge difference. I have found that pot, again like mj, isn't instantaneous. So I inhale 2-3 puffs (like cig puffs, not TOKES) and then I hang for 5 minutes before smoking more. Usually within that 5 minutes it kicks in a little and I don't want or need anymore. But if I'm not thinking, same as with tall cold highballs in the summer, I might overdo before I realize it, and then that kind of antsy feeling comes over me too.

If you are determined to smoke, which there's no reason to choose such, then try to buy the right pot for your choice, and then take the time to smoke it you are comfortable with, rather than what you see others do in movies, which is normally way over-smoking compared to anyone I know in real life.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:35 PM

19. Switch strains.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:36 PM

20. A small percentage, but still a large number, of people don't do well smoking it.

 

I think some of this is due to the potency that, thanks in large part to its legal status, has been bred into it. Many of the "new pot" strains have little medicinal value and researchers are requesting growers to produce weed that is closer to some of the old strains.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:36 PM

21. i used to smoke it

quite a bit. as i got older i just didn't like the feeling of total lethargy and unquenchable hunger anymore. got into fitness and like this feeling a lot better.

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Response to laruemtt (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:53 PM

35. Same here.

I smoked it for while when I was in my 30s. But stopped because it made get the munchies, and I did not want to gain weight.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:40 PM

22. I like it MORE as I get older

But that's because my environment is more calm and most importantly I vaporize --smoke free and total control

Smoking makes the high pretty benign, but can lead to and unintended over-buzz and makes me feel dirty.

Vaporizing also leaves residue that can be stir fried later. So less expensive and Zero waste.

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Response to musiclawyer (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 05:56 PM

123. stir fried?

i use a vap as well. are you talking about the used product (already been vap'd, or ABV as i call it), or the resins that you're stir frying?

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Response to frylock (Reply #123)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:14 PM

135. Yes the residue

After Vape. It looks like nothing more than old coffee grounds but it comes back to life heated up in oil. Absolutely zero waste. Careful with the amount you use.
It will hit you hours later like any edible

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Response to musiclawyer (Reply #135)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:54 PM

140. edibles don't seem to effect me as much as they do for some people..

but I did buy a brownie several months back with a gram of bubble hash baked in. dude at the dispensary warned me to eat only 1/4 of the brownie at a time. i'm thinking yeah yeah, whatever. well, i ate 1/2 a brownie, and it really hit me 20 minutes later. nothing debilitating, but enough for me to notice that it actually worked for once!

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Response to frylock (Reply #140)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:20 PM

161. You are lucky

Most people can only handle a small amount of edibles. It sends them down the ladder. Edibles are incredibly good for getting a long refreshing, deep sleep like when you have had a long week and now don't have up get up early the next morning. But you really need to know who baked and how much they used That's why I like Vape residue. You can control the effect -- a mere quarter gram will get you are your partner nice and numb three hours after dinner

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:41 PM

23. Since 1StrongBlackMan ...

has NEVER partaken in the use of illicit drugs ... ever ... I swear ..., I can only relate what my friend's sister's softball coach's nephew told me, someone told him (Okay, are we clear this comment is unrelated to the life and times of 1StrongBlackMan):

He stopped smoking weed because whenever he smoked, he got some really bad news; a friend or family member died or was diagnosed with some tragic ailment, a project or job fail through, or the like. Towards the end, though he wasn't smoking often, an hour or so after he lit up, he could count on his phone ring. Though after he stopped, he still got those kind of calls; but it didn't seem anywhere nearly as frequently, and was better able to handle the calls when they came.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:43 PM

24. Were these mysterious phone calls from another world, perhaps?

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Response to randome (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:11 PM

52. I don't know ...

Since 1StrongBlackMan has NEVER partaken in the use of illicit drugs ... ever ... I swear ..., he can only relate what his friend's sister's softball coach's nephew told him, someone told him (Okay, are we clear this comment is unrelated to the life and times of 1StrongBlackMan); but he (the person that told my friend's sister's softball coach's nephew) was utterly convinced, after a time, there was a direct, and possibly, causal connection between his smoking weed and really bad news.

So he quit.

That's what he told me.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #52)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:42 AM

215. THAT's some powerful grass, dude!

It should come with a warning label.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:43 PM

25. I don't have a problem with it being legal

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And I don't think occasional use is any big deal.

Sucking smoke into your lungs, however, any kind of smoke, isn't ever going to be the healthiest thing you can do, even if perhaps in some ways, in moderation, it's less of a health threat than alcohol can be. I suppose marijuana can always be baked into brownies instead of smoked -- if you don't mind the extra calories.

I'm also not fond of the mind set that so many people get into where they simply don't think they can relax or have fun without employing some kind of mind-altering substance, be it marijuana, alcohol, or something else.

If that's what people want to do, however, I won't stand in their way unless their activities -- like drunk driving -- threaten the well being of others.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:46 PM

28. Yeah, the 'need to relax' bit always bothered me, too.

And the idea that sticking a weed in your mouth and setting fire to it is somehow 'natural'.

I say if you need something outside yourself to see inside better, then you have already lost the point of view you wanted to obtain.

Decriminalize, yes. Legalize, no.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:55 PM

37. I try to tell my son this

He's 16 and lives in another state otherwise I'd brain him with a large warhammer. I try to tell him this isn't something you want to put into your lungs even if its not the worst thing in the world. I have a degree in Environmental Health Science, so I know at least something in-depth about partially combusted inhaled materials - but as far as he's concerned some goober on a website with no credentials at all is more right than I am.

There's a lot of potaganda out there though - for and against. But many of the pro-weed websites attribute weed as this wonder drug which will cure everything, create whirled peas, and open up an Einstein Rosen bridge to Planet Galaga or something.

Its like talking to a wall with him on the subject.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:46 PM

27. No drug is perfect or harmless.

In all the pushback vs. the insane negative mythology, I think "our" side sometimes gets carried away with the "harmless" theme. Drugs have effects, or they wouldn't be drugs. MJ is psychoactive, and can have a pretty wide variety of effects, within a certain spectrum

I am aware (anecdotally, of course) that undertaking MJ when in a certain frame of mind can be distressing. You hear about "paranoia," but I think that's too general. Users who undertake MJ and take up an anxious thought can find that it magnifies and expands, and can become overwhelming. My entirely hypothetical take on avoiding this is to avoid MJ when in the midst of a period of personal doubt or anxieties.

One can also practice controlling the stream of thoughts when under the influence. Understand that you are in an altered state, and decide to step away from a negative theme before it runs away with you. Find a familiar positive stream of thought and lock into that instead.

When back in a more standard frame of mind, you can also try to analyze a bit and see if there is a real issue that can be addressed in real ways.

Or so I have heard.

Good luck.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:01 AM

188. Wouldnt it be nice

if there was some actual science going on, looking into these kinds of things without a pro or con bias? I have had very little luck finding any that wasn't very clearly getting the result it was done to look for.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #188)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:33 AM

199. Frustrating, isn't it? And damned silly.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:48 PM

30. Now for my philosophical answer

Upthread I posted about the different strains. But now I want to comment on a different angle.

What I have noticed about the effect of cannibis on me as an adult, is that it removes the "screen" that we develop throughout life. The screen is that hazy fog that we deliberately surround ourselves with in order to survive in this (sometimes) awful world. It's a coping mechanism. Pot just completely removes that and leaves the stark naked reality exposed. I think the older we are, the less we like to be exposed to that. Younger kids haven't finished building up their screens yet, so they don't tend to notice the difference, I think.

Does anybody else agree with this analysis, based on your experience?

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:46 PM

134. Based on things I have ... overheard, yes.


There is a "truthy" voice that MJ can unleash. The one that says that the thing you said to a loved one was unacceptably unkind, or that the reality of who you are does not quite match up to what your ego would like to believe. But then it can turn around and admit it was being a little stark the first time 'round, and the things it said before, while largely true, are not the end of the world, if you will stop farting around in that "fog" and pay better attention.

All subjective, of course. It's all coming from inside somewhere, but it does seem to come from places normally kept under lock and key.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:49 PM

32. What you describe is pretty much exactly why I quit several years ago.

I would get all sorts of "good ideas," but have trouble executing them. Then I'd get depressed. Enough!

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:50 PM

33. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one this happened to

It started to cause panic attacks in me as well in my early 30's. I never smoked that much to begin with - but I stopped many years ago. My mind would race, those private arguments you were referring to - that's a good way to put it. Really bad paranoia, muscular tension - it started to happen every time I smoked. I've often wondered if it has something to do with an undiagnosed mental or neurological condition I might have. I don't know. Don't much care anymore.

Every body is different, so the effects across all individual biochems cannot possibly be accurately predicted. People wanna smoke that's cool with me, but I'm done with the stuff.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:54 PM

36. The only bad experience I ever had with pot

was when I ate a few cookies that I found out later you were suppose to eat just a piece of one and I had had wine and and glass of port with dinner before it. I just wanted dessert and didn't realize how strong it would be. I know dumb, real dumb!

When it hit me about 1/2 hour later I felt like I was having some kind of attack. It scared me enough to go to ER. I wish I didn't, I live in small town and got lecture from doctors that a woman of my age (55) should know better!

They did all kinds of tests, my blood pressure went really high then really low…

After hours and tests it wore off and I was fine, except my pride and all the bills from the tests that ran in thousands.

Took me a long time to have any after that but smoking it does nothing like that to me, I just have a few hits.

Let's just say no matter how much I will never eat it again, although I am positive the wine and port mixed with it didn't help...

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Response to marlakay (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:04 PM

125. that happened to my BIL

he doesn't usually partake, but one time i made some brownies from canna butter. this butter was way stronger than i've usually come in contact with, but didn't realize it until after sampling the brownies. BIL ate a whole brownie when he should have just taken a couple of bites. he had a severe anxiety attack and wanted to go to the ER, but me and sis talked him down and put him to bed. he was fine after a nap. he isn't interested in eating anything cannabis related anymore, lol. even i got a little woozy and i'm pretty used to it. since the effects after eating don't really kick in for about an hour or so, it's easy to overdo it too quickly.

smoking/vaping seems to be a better way to dose because when you've had enough you stop.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:55 PM

38. I have never used weed. I smelt it at a concert once and it made me sick. So I

 

never liked being around it. I do believe it should be used to help people who truly are experiencing health issues. I am afraid of people miss using it. I am afraid of someone driving while under the influence. That is my fear. But I also fear someone under the influence of booze.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:56 PM

39. Seen too many really savvy people get all goofy and paranoid on that stuff... But you can use it...

I don't care as long as you don't drive while under the influence of weed.


Tikki

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Response to Tikki (Reply #39)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:29 AM

185. +1

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:56 PM

40. Only when I run out

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:59 PM

41. I've hit stress levels that aren't helped by smoking.

It tends to work brilliantly with normal, daily stress, but when I'm completely stressed out I don't feel much effect at all and if I do feel anything it's not very pleasant. Strange.

When that happens I stop for a week and by then everything is usually back to normal.

I think it all depends on natural endocannabinoid levels in your body at the time of smoking. They rise and fall, at least they do for me.

My theory is that people who say pot always makes them paranoid, and don't smoke because of it, already have high endocannabinoid levels. IMO they are being smart by not smoking. Self titration is a good thing.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:01 PM

42. Yes. I hate weeds.

I yank 'em out of the ground, but they keep coming back. My garden is full of them.

As for pot, if someone likes it, bully for them. As for me, been there, done that, then I grew up ad my interests changed. I don't drink and I don't toke.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:02 PM

44. Just like any other non-adictive psychoactive substance, you do tire of it, usage goes down.

It always used to make me quite kinetic. I have never understood what people are a talking about it relaxing them. It didn't make me nervous, just energetic, maybe because all perceptual filters were potted-down, so I would also literally run away to avoid any sensory input that I didn't enjoy. Maybe that's what would start me on my house-cleaning jaggs; messy house =/= pleasure.

I have heard that what's out there is more highly engineered than the best stuff that we used to smoke back when.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:02 PM

45. I have had much the same experience.

I smoked regularly in the late 60s, early 70s when I was in my 20s. I had nice mellow experiences. Than as I entered my late 20s it started giving me panic attacks. So, I stopped using. This does not seem to be an unusual phenomonon.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:07 PM

49. well of course. that goes without saying

Everybody is different. No one is saying that everyone has to use it. No one is forcing anyone to use it. If it doesn't work for someone then obviously they shouldn't use it. Why would anyone use something that doesn't work for them?

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:08 PM

50. Your experience is extremely common.

Herb is a medicine.

The herb has "told" you not to use her, because you simply don't need her anymore.

I haven't used herb in 25 years, she told me when it was time to stop after a relatively long period of daily use.

Generally, it appears that most anyone who can't handle the herb will inevitably stop using it, because it will make them feel ill, often with symptoms similar to those that you described.

Herb is not physically addictive, like alcohol. IMO, it is not constructive to conflate the use of herb with alcohol use.

This is just taken from my personal observations, and is not medical advice, and is not a recommendation to use herb.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:17 PM

54. I would really like for this stuff to be legal, so I could see what everyone is

talking about.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:20 PM

55. I'm glad you're sharing your experience



and that you see others have similar stories.

No substance is for everyone, and every substance has varying effects on the user.

So, do you need to be told you're still cool? Yep, you're still cool.

Did you need to point out the obvious? I'm just trying to figure out here the purpose of the OP. I mean, we're all pretty much grown up here, and we all know that liquor, Xanax, Oxy, hydro, Zoloft, cigarettes, beer, wine coolers, shopping, Fox News and various other addictions or behaviors can lead to negative consequences.

So that's why we don't make everyone drink, take pills, smoke cigarettes or watch Fox News.

You won't be forced to smoke anything if weed is legal, and neither will anyone else.

Like liquor, Xanax, Oxy, hydro, Zoloft, cigarettes, beer, wine coolers, shopping, Fox News and various other addictions or behaviors, if they become detrimental, people will stop using these substances - just as you did.

I'm glad you found out what works for you, though.






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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:22 PM

56. I toked daily for 40 plus years

now I can hardly do much of anything because of COPD and asthma like symptons that leave me wanting for some air. Not sure if the pot had anything to do with it or not but I do notice that if I don't smoke for a while I seem to be able to breath better. The high I still like as I do know when to stop so I don't get so stoned but I can see that in the near future I won't bother with smoking any more. I get high on life now.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:23 PM

57. I recently developed an allergy to alcoholic beverages.

It came on suddenly and without warning. After 30 years of thoroughly enjoying beer and wine (in moderation - I never had any problems with drinking too much or too often), now even a tiny sip brings on horrible itching, hives and other unpleasant symptoms. I don't know which ingredient is causing the reaction. I don't know why it happened - it came on during a stressful time in my life, but I don't know if that had anything to do with it. There may be products out there that I can use safely, but I'd rather not take the chance. I've decided to just give up drinking forever.

I expect most people who react badly to weed will just stop using it as you have done.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #57)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:08 PM

82. I can't drink like used to either. OJT for being a cocktail waitress when I was in college.

Somewhere around 50-55, maybe it was meopause???, alcohol started making me pretty ill for a couple of days, even after really moderate use.

I can still drink a bottle of good red-wine in several hours, though I don't do that often at all, without evil effects and tequila, in moderation, doesn't leave much of a mark, but I do feel a bit of a social outsider in some contexts, from the fact that I just simply do not enjoy (and I'm not as INTERESTED in talking about etc. etc.) drinking as much as a lot of people do.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:27 PM

59. I have COPD

That's not weed-specific, though.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:29 PM

60. I recently started taking the occasional toke again

after a 20 year interregnum. I get the same calming effect, and increased ability to concentrate on music, that I always got.

YMMV, I guess.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:36 PM

62. does anyone else have a problem with weed....

in ND?...only finding it...

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:46 PM

64. Insomnia and racing heart.

One glass of wine or a couple tokes suddenly gave me wide awake at 3 am insomnia
and pot made my heart race, which was bad as I got older since I am on BP meds.

Almost all of my weed use was in college in the 70's, with room mates and other like indiv. around.
Back then , it seemed to help me focus on a project.


So, while I support legalization and an end to draconian penalties, I don't mess with booze or drugs at all anymore.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #64)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:10 AM

210. sulphite sensitivity...

 

from the wine.

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Response to nebenaube (Reply #210)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:22 AM

212. insomnia =sulphite sensivitivity?

Happens with gin and tonic too.

I drink maybe 2-3 times a year...ONE drink, and usually don't even finish that.

sigh..I am a failure as an alcoholic......

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:48 PM

65. I get the same feeling

Shit just gives me anxiety.

I still believe it should be legal. Imagine that, beliefs not founded in selfish motivations.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:49 PM

66. I smoked regularly for about 10 years.

From my late teens through late 20's, and smoked daily for the last 5 years of that time. I finally quit after it began making me extremely anxious, and I no longer derived any pleasure from it. I also had a complete nervous breakdown, which resulted in long-term depression and anxiety disorder. Thirty years on and I still have bouts of depression.

I don't blame the pot; I think my regular use was simply a way for me to mask some very serious existential problems in my life, and it finally got to the point where my psyche demanded that I stop masking and start facing up to things. Made me a bit late to the maturity adults need to function well in life.

EDIT: ...always proofread...

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:50 PM

67. You had a bad experience; seems like a reasonable basis to continue the War on Drugs.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:52 PM

68. Go through the nausea associated with chemo without weed and get back to me on that.

I can tell you from firsthand experience that one or two puffs will help tremendously. And that's just unregulated street crap. Full blown medical mj, regulated with some form of QC would be several times more therapeutic and safer.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:54 PM

69. I'm one of that tiny percentage that hallucinates on THC

One toke over the line and my vision is clouded with stars. I avoid the stuff like the plague. Never did enjoy the high either. And it was a total failure as a painkiller on me: it made any pain I was in 10x worse.

I completely support legalization for those who want to use it for whatever reason, though.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:54 PM

70. Yeah I got a problem with weed.

 

I don't have my damn MMJ license YET!!!

*grumbles at the State of Colorado*

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #70)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:39 PM

160. What somebody ran out of weed?

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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:55 PM

72. only when i'm out...

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:55 PM

73. I've been smoking it pretty regularly for 45 years.

I don't have any bad effects from it either mentally or physically, legally or otherwise. I don't know anything about new strains since I'm somewhat of a horticulturalist and have my own brew.

I don't have a problem with people smoking it or not smoking it. Just like many other things, it should be an individual's personal choice whether or not to indulge.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:55 PM

74. Stand by for the stoner answer....

Only problem is there is not enough!!

Kidding aside my wife smoked till she hit menopause, after that it affected her differently and she gave it up.

No one is denying pot is not for everyone, neither is alcohol, mushrooms, LSD, X, or whatever. People need to know their limitations.

Here's a good litmus test for whether or not you should smoke weed. If you get high and all of a sudden discover how cool Justin Bieber and Ke$sha are, you shouldn't be smoking. If you get high and suddenly discover how awesome Led Zeppelin are, you are on the right track

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #74)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:28 PM

93. As the LP slowly circles the stylus........... ;-)

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #74)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 05:27 PM

120. Eww Led Zep and dope. I can't help but recall one of my favorite sarcastic Led Zep album reviews.

From Rolling Stone Magazine when they still mattered.

"By John Mendelsohn
December 13, 1969

Hey, man, I take it all back! This is one fucking heavyweight of the album! OK — I'll concede that until you've listened to the album eight hundred times, as I have, it seems as if it's just one especially heavy song extended over the space of two whole sides. But, hey! you've got to admit that the Zeppelin has their distinctive and enchanting formula down stone-cold, man. Like you get the impression they could do it in their sleep.

And who can deny that Jimmy Page is the absolute number-one heaviest white blues guitarist between 5'4" and 5'8" in the world?? Shit, man, on this album he further demonstrates that he could absolutely fucking shut down any whitebluesman alive, and with one fucking hand tied behind his back too.

"Whole Lotta Love," which opens the album, has to be the heaviest thing I've run across (or, more accurately, that's run across me) since "Parchmant Farm" on Vincebus Eruptum. Like I listened to the break (Jimmy wrenching some simply indescribable sounds out of his axe while your stereo goes ape-shit) on some heavy Vietnamese weed and very nearly had my mind blown.

Hey, I know what you're thinking. "That's not very objective." But dig: I also listened to it on mescaline, some old Romilar, novocain, and ground up Fusion, and it was just as mind-boggling as before. I must admit I haven't listened to it straight yet — I don't think a group this heavy is best enjoyed that way.

Anyhow . . . Robert Plant, who is rumored to sing some notes on this record that only dogs can hear, demonstrates his heaviness on "The Lemon Song." When he yells "Shake me 'til the juice runs down my leg," you can't help but flash on the fact that the lemon is a cleverly-disguised phallic metaphor. Cunning Rob, sticking all this eroticism in between the lines just like his blues-beltin' ancestors! And then (then) there's "Moby Dick," which will be for John Bonham what "Toad" has been for Baker. John demonstrates on this track that had he half a mind he could shut down Baker even without sticks, as most of his intriguing solo is done with bare hands.

The album ends with a far-out blues number called "Bring It On Home," during which Rob contributes some very convincing moaning and harp-playing, and sings "Wadge da train roll down da track." Who said that white men couldn't sing blues? I mean, like, who?"


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Response to retread (Reply #120)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 05:51 PM

121. Wow...

Damn shame the writer ended up being a nobody and Zep went on to influence an entire generation of musicians. I mean with that level of wit and sarcasm he could ruled the world

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Response to retread (Reply #120)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:13 AM

197. Man, he sure killed THEIR career with that scathing review!

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:57 PM

76. On a personal level, I can't stand the stuff.

Makes me either really lethargic, or really paranoid.

If other people want to smoke it, fine by me, but I will pass.

I also don't particularly want to be around people who are smoking it because it makes them act stupid more often than not. (At least my friends who use it sure do act stupid when they're high.)

Not my thing.

But then... I don't want to be around people who are getting really drunk, either.

I do drink in moderation, and I am not against alcohol as a substance. So I don't think I should have a problem with marijuana and with people using it safely and in moderation.

I just don't care very much one way or another if pot is legal or not.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:01 PM

78. My wife is allergic to orange juice

She wasn't when she was younger. She used to like it. But as a consequence of the allergy she has developed, drinking it now would cause her to have swelling, difficulty breathing, and arrhythmia.

I'm sure that if orange juice were made legal on a recreational basis, many people will enjoy it. But what do you think about people like my wife, for whom orange juice would cause severe health consequences?

I'm concerned.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #78)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:54 AM

218. I developed allergies to citrus late in life

very weird.
Fortunately, my allergies do not affect other people's ability to eat citrus.

So, no need for concern.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #218)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:41 AM

223. Hey, I'd like to hear more about that


My wife attributes it to a youthful episode of eating disorder. In college she went on all "all orange juice diet" for an extended period which harmed her health.

Since then, she has the same reaction to citrus, concentrated tomato extracts and juices, and pineapple.

It affects my ability to eat pasta, since if I make a tomato sauce, she has to stay out of the kitchen.

Did yours just creep up on you, or is there some identifiable trigger?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #223)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:30 PM

224. Seemed to have crept up on me..

I have always had hives off and on at points in my life.

But in last 10-12 years, I would get different forms of hives from different foods, which is really weird.
If I eat more than a few bites of chocolate, for instance, my lip will puff up by next morning.
And stay that way for 12 hours, even with Benedryl.
If I eat more than one strawberry, I get hives on body.
Now, I knew about strawberry hives, so have mostly avoided them over the years, but damned if suddenly raspberries caused problems, and more than a small glass of orange juice.
My hands and feet swelled and itched within 12 hours of ingestion.
Pineapple seems ok for me. I don't eat grapefruit, but lemons are now a problem, as I found out when I made lemon tarts a few months ago.
Benedryl works fine when needed, mostly.

Oh, and milk now is a problem, in any form, more than the few teaspoons i put in my coffee, I have intestinal upsets from ice cream, yogurt, but not cheese. I think it is amount related, since one does not eat a LOT of cheese at one sitting, but a glass of milk, a cup of yogurt bothers me. There are enzymes I can take which prevent the problem symptoms, to.


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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:02 PM

79. Sorry to be late to the discusion but life gets in the way sometimes

I used to smoke back in HS but took a few months off to meditate and play guitar. One day a few friends came by to get me out of the house. Somewhere during the evening someone sparked up a joint. It was either laced with something, probably PCP, but it had a severe effect on me. I was pretty much out of it for the next few days It made no sense because it only affected me.

Since then I've smoked more than a few times and experienced similar disconcerting effects. It might be the be the effort to expand my conscientious mentally or the quality of the weed available today, but if I smoke even to this day, thirty some odd years later, but it still has the same although lessened effect.

This may just be anecdotal but I think it indicates that legalization/decriminalization would would avoid the problems of uncontrolled enhancement of scagweed without regard to any deleterious effects.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:02 PM

80. No problems whatsoever,

and I enjoy it more than ever.

Anybody want to get high?

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:19 PM

87. I think some of it may have to do with individual brain chemistry. I tried once in college..no more

than 2 hits...got drowsy, depressed and was out like a light. Some 40 years later, a friend encouraged me to try it again. Worse, this time I didn't even remember going to bed. My son had experiences similar to OP. We are both ADHD. Just another anecdotal experience.

I support legalization, however, because I know a few it has really helped with pain, with stress of college, etc.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:26 PM

91. Me too

Seem like the more I smoked, over time, the easier it was to get high.

It eventually just induced paranoia and effects similar to what you describe, so I quit.

In fact, I quit doing all recreational drugs.

No biggie

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:32 PM

96. I have asthma, and the smell makes me cough.

The SEPTA buses I rode to school almost always had that smell ... and it almost always made me cough.

Might as well have been cigarette smoke.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:37 PM

101. indica vs sativa

Although it may seem like it’s all the same, marijuana is an amazing little plant and comes in several different varieties. Although Cannabis is the genus which contains the species of marijuana, there are actually several different variations of the Cannabis plant. Two of the primary types of marijuana strains are Cannabis indica and Cannabis sativa.

The high associated with Cannabis indica is what many users would call a very “physical” high, typically leading to passing out or very intense sleepiness. However, this makes indica a good choice for pain and stress-relief, and typically promotes a very serene feeling. Some claim that indica can bring on a penetrating desire to enjoy music, television, or food, and can be a very relaxing, yet analytical experience. Still others classify the high associated with indica as “body stoned,” as opposed to “head stoned.”

The sativa high is described by most users as an infusion of alertness or even peppiness. Often times, sativa induces a “heady high,” causing an amplification of intellectual thought processes. For this reason, many users are fond of smoking sativa during the day or when they will need to remain somewhat functional. Strains of sativa with exceptionally high THC can take the heady experience to the extreme, possibly causing mild hallucinations.

http://indicavssativa.net/whats-the-difference/

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:38 PM

102. "Like alcohol, some can handle it and some just can't, no matter how much they would like to."

Yup, your last line exactly.

I've never had any negative experiences with it. I don't do it anymore since my teen's got substance abuse problems.

Still I believe it should be decriminalized and medical MJ for people who need it must be allowed.

We MUST stop the war on drugs. The wasted resources and money on this futile "war" is insane.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:39 PM

103. I had similar experiences

I also found myself developing bronchitis and sinus infections after smoking it. Haven't touched the stuff for more than 30 years.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:41 PM

106. Strictly personal?

I find that sativa gives me paralysing and deeply unpleasant paranoia.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:47 PM

112. Its too expensive

 

I blame the war on drugs

Oh. Tolerance builds quick. Today one hit will put you on an inward journey, by the end of the weekend three hits will only give you a strong buzz. Quit for a few days, wash rinse repeat

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:51 PM

115. Yes, NEVER enough

And not as good as it used to be. Too much cloning.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #115)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:52 PM

116. that too

 

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #115)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:23 PM

131. Too much cloning? What do you mean?

Cloning maintains the genes of great strains, it doesn't degrade quality. I know for a fact that 20th generation clones are just as potent and tasty as the seed plant.

There are also thousands of smart people all over the world breeding for quality and succeeding like you would not believe. The seeds are ready as soon as legalization happens.

Quality and potency aren't dropping at all IMO, but there certainly is some bad pot out there. Legalization should change that.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:02 PM

124. I think it has much to do with your psychological state.

When I was at a particularly rough phase in my life, weed would fill me with anxiety and self-loathing. That stopped pretty completely when a lot of things in my life improved.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:11 PM

128. Not really.

 

Not really.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:12 PM

129. Most people I know who used to use it regularly have either quit or drastically cut down

 

My long-term friends and I are in our 50s now.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:27 PM

132. I know this happens sometimes to some people

I've been a medical user for years and this even happens to me sometimes when I'm already particularly anxious about something. Not smoking marijuana with a high % of sativa helps. Sativa definitely can make that effect worse. It also helps to assure yourself that the problem won't feel so monumental once you are not "high" anymore, that you are just experiencing classic "paranoia". Now is not the time to think about problems anyway. Relax and think about it tomorrow. (Like Scarlett O'Hara. )

Also, I never, ever, ever smoke when I'm going to be in a high stress situation.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:28 PM

133. Couple things

 

Experiences of decrim from other countries show that it does not lead to increase of use.

Second, many consider the plant a spiritual guide and teacher (Rastafarians, various Indian religions and religious practices etc.) and with such attitude the seemingly negative experiences can be considered positive learning and healing experiences of e.g. digging up deep emotional issues to be processed.

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Response to tama (Reply #133)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:19 PM

136. Indeed

The plant brings out whatever disposition you have If you are down it will take you down even more. If you are anxious then you will get more anxious etc

I got flamed on another thread but I maintain that states that legalize should run public service ads that say


1. Don't eat edibles unless you are experienced or have a guide to show you the ropes

2 teenagers, just wait until you are old enough. The teen brain is still growing

3 and obviously don't eat smoke or Vape and then drive

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:48 PM

138. It tends to make people stupid. But then again, illegality promotes excessive use.

My experience with pot heads is that they generally couldn't talk about anything except pot. This was in high school, however. Most folks was kinda dumb. I imagine that with decriminalization, you'll have a few moderate users who can keep their day jobs. At the very least, we'll start to find out.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:54 PM

139. ITT: Someone who used to smoke weed but doesn't (BAM just saved everyone 10 minutes...)

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:22 PM

144. I sound like Donald Duck the day after smoking.

I also lose my depth perception--driving under the influence is a big no for me.

To be honest, I haven't smoked in quit. From time to time I apply for jobs so until I'm sure no one is going to ask me to take a urine test, I'll have to abstain.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:25 PM

145. I do

I believe in the complete and total legalization of it .... however, it wont effect my choices whatsoever. I also prefer that my kids not indulge.

I am not a "drinker"... prefer that my kids not indulge in that, either.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:27 PM

147. not fond of the smell

 

it stinks and has a heavy smell to it. You can really smell it, and you don't even have to be close to the source.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:00 PM

148. I quit probably 30 yrs ago after having a paranoia attack that left me with panic attacks. Every now

then I still get a panic attack but take St. John's Wort which lessened the serverity of them and cut the frequency.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:05 PM

149. Maybe it's the quality? When legal, I guess it'll be regulated? Your source may cut it

with something. That's the first thing that came to mind.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:15 PM

153. It's the closest thing I know to a benign psychoactive drug

but to pretend people in a bad headspace are going to have great experiences with it is naive.

I have friends who say exactly the same things you do and restrict weed to when they're on low stress vacations with the cell phones left at home.

My only problem with it is that it's still illegal.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:17 PM

154. I end up laughing all the time I do it.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:17 PM

155. Bicoastal, you might try experimenting with weed that has higher CBD concentrations.

Anxiety reactions and panic attacks are not uncommon with weed.

They tend to be related to high THC levels and low CBD levels.

That's cannabidiol, another psychoactive ingredient in the plant. Medical marijuana patients seem to like strains that have lots of CBD.

You might also want to try strains that are more indica than sativa. It's the sativa strains that make your mind race; the indica strains are more of a body high, almost narcotic.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:21 PM

156. TOO OLD TO SMOKE POT

Louis CK pretty much sums up what pot is like for me since my 40's. I'm 50 now.

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Response to Sedona (Reply #156)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:59 AM

202. Thanks for that

Same here @ 53. I figure I only have so many days of good health and strength left and I prefer to spend them clear-headed.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:21 PM

157. Same thing happened to me. EXACTLY the same thing.


Last time I had a serious smoking session my brain would not shut up. It got really painful.

I stopped using it. These days I meditate.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:37 PM

159. Indica & Sativa

No, that's not my two kids - it's the two most common types of marijuana.
Sativa is generally the "up" herb, while Indica is the mellow herb, probably what most of us remember from the old days.
Things are different these days with much of the herb available being of very high-quality (no pun intended).
Gives new meaning to the 'ol One Hit Wonder rather than being blown out after a full J or bowl.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:27 PM

162. I can't stand the smell of it

I think it should be legal but I would not want to live with anyone who smoked pot. Did that last year and it was not fun.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #162)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:56 AM

220. +1

I remember living in Hawaii and having to step outside every time my roommates lit up. Hated that stench, lol.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:37 PM

164. Was the strain you were smoking sativa or indica? They have opposite effects:

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:43 PM

166. I have never smoked the stuff and when I have been near people that have, thought they stunk.

But I am ok with making it legal or decriminalized. I am certainly ok with medical weed.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:43 PM

167. all my experiences were speedy and panicky. that was 40 years ago & i haven't been back.

 

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:44 PM

168. I have known some people who say that weed makes them feel paranoid.

Your reaction sounds sort of like a variation of that.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:48 PM

171. Thank you for courageously posting this...

I keep wishing I could easily get medical marijuana because of pain - arthritis, neck and shoulder pain, knees, you name it, it hurts.

Maybe it's not all it's cracked up to be for everyone. So it may be a great disappointment for anyone thinking it will solve problems, never considering that it might cause some...

Thank you again for your honesty . . .

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:10 AM

174. Ignorance is bliss.

 

when you're young and dumb, you have nothing to lose (or so you think) and then you grow up and become successful and suddenly realize just how much you really do have to lose... and then you ingest an illegal substance that you know to be addictive, that stays in your urine for up to 30 days, and which threatens to destroy everything you have worked for. The euphoria is then replaced by fear, regret, and self loathing. It probably has nothing to do with potency IMO.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:15 AM

175. K&R for your honesty.

I respect people who don't run with the herd.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:24 AM

176. Maybe as your stress level went up the pot made you too calm to handle that stress and

in effect increased your stress level rather than lowering it ... in other words, your anxiety level increased. I know my college years of which there were many were far more relaxing than my years after college when I had to handle tremendous pressure in the job.

I smoked pot a few times then and I had to stop. It interfered with my ability to handle all of the pressure and left me sort of buzzed and anxious the next day at work when I had to meet with and present to a lot of execs.

Also pot is a drug and precautions have to be taken as with any drug. I know with drinking alcohol I do not have the tolerance I once had. I've been told that as one ages their tolerance for alcohol can lessen resulting in greater hangovers and all. I don't know, but maybe the same is true with pot, that less is more.

BTW, I'm perfectly OK with the legalization of pot.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:58 AM

179. I get depressed when I smoke...

It's weird. I start thinking, a lot, and my thoughts are almost always about things that bother me - my position in life, the way I look, you know ... so on and so forth. It's not fun. So, I've cut back. I just don't like the feeling.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:59 AM

180. Problem?

People still banging on the little weed. You don't like, just say no. Work the rest out yourself.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:56 AM

183. Try a strain rich in cannabidiol (CBD)

CBD counteracts the psychoactive effects. CBD-rich strains feel good without messing with your mind so much.

Or just stop altogether.

I'd stop of I were having a bad trip every time.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:03 AM

187. My Espoused One

has A.D.D. and has REALLY BAD paranoid events if he takes even one hit. It's weird. The man is perfectly normal in all other respects but he can't handle the ganja. As such, I feel it's my duty to take his portion, as well as mine and ingest both portions on his behalf.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:41 AM

189. I always experienced

smoking positively or even blissfully back in the 70's and 80's. I didn't smoke again until 2005. Each time I've tried it since the stuff gives me a raging migraine and not much fun in the bargain. I even tried some with headphones on listening to Zeppelin, Jimi and Moody Blues as of old. Still, I had less than enjoyable experiences each time, more speedy than mellow. Maybe it's cut with something or the seed modified. I haven't found any worth the trouble now.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:52 AM

190. Making it legal in Switzerland actually REDUCED use.

Made it boring.
People can get honest advice from a doctor, versus someone selling it or on-the-street advice.
Scientific testing is then allowed to happen, so you get better information.
Problems such as yours can be freely discussed without fear of being revealed to the state.

You should be shouting in the streets to re-legalize this stuff.

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Response to Festivito (Reply #190)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:54 AM

217. Yep, same reason why we should lower the drinking age.

It'll get rid of the "mystique" and watch how alcohol-related deaths plunge.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:12 AM

195. Yeah I have a weed problem.

I can never find decent high quality at a reasonable price from a safe, reputable & dependable source.

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Response to Ganja Ninja (Reply #195)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:46 AM

207. That's the same problem I have with it

I moved a year and a half ago and that's been a real problem.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:10 AM

205. I have smoked from 13 yo to 52............

 

& have great lungs.

Once I quit for 8 years & after I started again I could not go out at night stoned, every car was a cop & I got a stiff neck quick.

Now, I had a serious injury about a year ago & only use it to relax after dinner or if I am in severe pain & opioid tolerance is to high.
Increasing painkiller dosage only leads to higher tolerance & more constipation so weed works well to help keep my prescription pain pills under control.

One thing I have noticed is with 2 species of weed Indica & Sativa & 10^9999999 species of strains, the high energy stuff makes me miserable instantly. I get so stressed out from it I need some benzos (tranqs). The stress makes me physically hurt.

I like the stoned sleepy stuff cause I am almost always in pain & starting to think too much is literally hurts.

I really like Hollands Hope, (mostly indica) it is a great out door plant that takes foul weather with gusto & has a huge yield & makes me very relaxed & tired. Barneys Farm LSD is mostly indica the sleepy kind & 25% THC, just a dab will do ya!

Recently tried something called red dragon & it was 1/2 sativa, I did not like it at all even though THC content was 23% real close to the LSD stuff the Sativa made it feel like something completely different, it seemed as different as Quualudes vs MethAmphetamine.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:33 AM

213. only when i run out... :)

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:52 AM

216. Never tried it, and never seen a reason to.

Tried beer a few times and disliked that as well. I'm just not into these mind-altering things, but to each his own.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:55 AM

219. curled in a ball crying panic attacks?, marijuana or not..that depth of mental ill. needs a Dr. Tx.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:48 PM

227. Besides the fact it's too expensive?

Naw, I would much rather deal with a stoner than a drunk. Drunks become 10 foot tall and bulletproof, but not stoners. They just become hungry.

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Response to Bicoastal (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 05:53 AM

228. Yes.

My bag is low and I'm also broke. Please send me the Ganja Fairy!

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