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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:09 PM

Have Democrats become the tax-cutting Party??

We are presently debating whether or not to extend the Bush taxcuts for those making less than $250K per year. We boast that that is "98%" of all Americans will get a tax break. This is the first time in my life that I can recall the Democratic Party making such an argument.

Tax cuts have traditionally been the cornerstone of Republican politics. They have argued before and since Reagan that tax cuts create jobs. Not only that, but they bring in more revenue to the Treasury. We know that is a big lie. We have experienced it first hand for the last 30 years. What more do we need to know?

It seems to me that we are living in an alternate universe? Who funds the government if everyone gets tax cuts and no one pays? Hasn't a progressive tax structure been the primary reason we have made as much social progress in the last 75 years? Do we no longer want that type of Party? Has anyone thought about this??

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Reply Have Democrats become the tax-cutting Party?? (Original post)
kentuck Nov 2012 OP
liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #1
oldhippydude Nov 2012 #2
dkf Nov 2012 #3
Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #13
dkf Dec 2012 #14
Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #16
gravity Nov 2012 #4
kentuck Nov 2012 #6
gravity Nov 2012 #11
Johonny Nov 2012 #5
kentuck Nov 2012 #8
YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #7
cali Nov 2012 #9
kentuck Nov 2012 #12
bigtree Nov 2012 #10
AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #15

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:14 PM

1. payroll tax cut should be repealed

It was only suppose to be temporary and we need that tax revenue to keep Social Security strong . Will the democrats have the courage to tell the American people we need to let that tax cut expire? I have my doubts.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:16 PM

2. hell why not... after Osama we are the national security party

Republicans have screwed everything they touch... they make it to easy for us to be the grown-ups in the room..

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:17 PM

3. Yes. Dems have become just as fiscally irresponsible as the Repubs.

 

We need to level with the American people that keeping the benefits that we have with current spending requires increased taxes at all levels, including income taxes, social security and medicare taxes.

The rich won't provide it all. Something for nothing is and has always been an illusion.

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Response to dkf (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 10:51 AM

13. ............

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:40 PM

14. You want Europe's benefits you need Europe's taxes.

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 06:40 PM

16. Show me where Europe was mentioned ...............

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:23 PM

4. Democrats aren't the pro tax party

It is the pro middle class party.

Cutting taxes for the lower 98% of Americans will create a more progressive tax system.

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Response to gravity (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:26 PM

6. And where do we make up the revenue that is needed ?

and keep the programs that we say that we want?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:35 PM

11. Print money

One of the advantages of having a fiat currency.

I do agree that we should raise taxes, but when the economy is going strong. Lowering taxes for the middle class provides economic stimulus which is badly needed.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:24 PM

5. In an era of deflating wages

lower the tax burden on 98% of American probably isn't a horrible thing. The tax break hardly makes up for lost wages, raises, inflation,...

We live in an era where wealth is concentrated at the top, so why tax people on the bottom who relatively have little earning power. I think the first step to a progressive tax structure is taxing the wealthy. As the income gap narrows again you can then increase the tax burden on middle brackets. However in the current economy the problem isn't that poor people don't have any skin in the game, the problem is they no longer have any skin to put in the game. You certainly complain we aren't fighting harder to raise the top bracket even more, but there is little reason at the moment to raise taxes on the poorest Americans nor is there much value arguing where poorest Americans dividing line is.

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Response to Johonny (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:31 PM

8. "where poorest Americans dividing line is"?

Obviously at $250,000 per year?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:28 PM

7. The more important question is...

..have Democrats become the "austerity" Party?

They might prove the cynics wrong if they defend SS, Medicare, and Medicaid...but I'm not holding my breath.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:34 PM

9. as compared to the repubs? No.

and the bush tax cuts will not all be extended. For fuck's sake. what is it with the shit you're posting lately? Seriously??? You really think the democrats are THE tax cutting party? Cuz that's what you wrote. Furthermore, with a fucking tea party House of R, it's not as easy as you seem to think.

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Response to cali (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:38 PM

12. How many times has Obama cut taxes??

As a means to stimulate the economy? What is it? A dozen times?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:34 PM

10. it's been a false portrayal of both parties

Democrats have never been as much pro-tax as they've been against tax relief and benefit skewed toward the wealthy and large corporations -- at the expense of the vast majority of tax payers and other Democratic priorities for the budget. Republicans have been able to frame those objections as a pro-tax stance, when it's actually been an effort to craft a more fair and balanced tax structure. Do you think the Bush tax structure was 'progressive?'

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:47 PM

15. Yes

We have also become the "Drill baby drill" party.

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