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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:31 AM

Susan Collins now "troubled" about Rice's record.

Sen. Collins has just met with Rice and has come up with new complaints about her role in the UN pertaining to UN embassy in Africa.

Also, misc. issues needing further investigation.

Looks like full on battle against Rice.

I don't understand it.

edit to add:

I don't understand it, except curious that many Republicans openly offering their approval of Kerry. Seems very anxious to get another Rep. Senate seat in Mass.

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Reply Susan Collins now "troubled" about Rice's record. (Original post)
northoftheborder Nov 2012 OP
ananda Nov 2012 #1
CakeGrrl Nov 2012 #34
EC Nov 2012 #2
quinnox Nov 2012 #3
rhett o rick Nov 2012 #6
quinnox Nov 2012 #9
Thrill Nov 2012 #16
quinnox Nov 2012 #21
rhett o rick Nov 2012 #42
DURHAM D Nov 2012 #15
quinnox Nov 2012 #20
frylock Nov 2012 #22
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #27
quinnox Nov 2012 #32
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #35
quinnox Nov 2012 #39
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #43
Cali_Democrat Nov 2012 #41
narnian60 Nov 2012 #4
Mass Nov 2012 #7
still_one Nov 2012 #10
Mass Nov 2012 #11
still_one Nov 2012 #18
narnian60 Nov 2012 #12
Mass Nov 2012 #14
ecstatic Nov 2012 #5
still_one Nov 2012 #8
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #13
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #36
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #38
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #44
Thrill Nov 2012 #17
leftyohiolib Nov 2012 #19
GoCubsGo Nov 2012 #23
joeybee12 Nov 2012 #24
Johonny Nov 2012 #25
librechik Nov 2012 #29
libdem4life Nov 2012 #26
dennis4868 Nov 2012 #28
Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2012 #31
JustAnotherGen Nov 2012 #30
hughee99 Nov 2012 #40
Blue Nile Nov 2012 #33
winstars Nov 2012 #37
spanone Nov 2012 #45
BainsBane Nov 2012 #46

Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:33 AM

1. More Reep gameplaying.

Any time they see hesitation or weakness in Obama, they use it.

Obama should have just nominated her and let the Dem majority confirm.

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Response to ananda (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:19 PM

34. POTUS isn't weak.

How has that worked out for GOP so far? What have they "won" lately?

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:33 AM

2. Sounds like an all out

get Kerry in there instead of Rice. Maybe Susan should stop going to these visits since they've made things worse for her.

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:34 AM

3. hate to say it, but at this point Rice is toast IMHO

 

at least in terms of a SOS nomination. Or at least, I hope so, there are so many better choices out there, like Kerry or Clark. When someone as moderate as Susan Collins is saying these things, then things are really starting to become a major problem for Rice.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:39 AM

6. I am sick of caving in. Why let the REpublicans determine who the Pres appointees are?

We need Kerry in the Senate.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:44 AM

9. Kerry's seat could be filled by another and more younger liberal Dem

 

in other threads, duers said it could be appointed and there are ways to do this apparently. We need Kerry as Secretary of State, not Rice, who is tainted and not all that anyway. Damn, Rice is not the end all be all of everything.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:57 AM

16. Name one?

Most on this board from Mass are sure Brown would win.

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Response to Thrill (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:07 PM

21. I have read otherwise on here

 

people said after rejecting Brown once, they would do it again.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:55 PM

42. It would be a good move if there were assurances that his replacement is a

liberal Democrat.

However, I ask again, why should we let the Republicans decide the appointees? If they like Kerry, something is wrong. You say Ms. Rice is tainted. Yes by the Repubs. We need to draw a line and fight them on every single issue. NO compromising. You cant compromise with terrorists.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:05 PM

20. I have said I'm not a fan of Rice

 

I will admit that. I just don't think she is "all that". Many others should be picked over her for the job IMHO.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:09 PM

22. susan collins is parroting the talking points that were blasted to these assholes..

troubled, troubling. i've heard these two words used more over the last two days than i've ever heard in my life.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:36 PM

27. Susan Collins is as "moderate" as Mitch McConnell.

But it doesn't surprise me that you believe she's a moderate. It plays directly into the Republican's game plan hoping to convince some wishy-washy Democrats (I'm not saying you're wishy-washy. Honest) that a strong ally of President Obama should be put aside to allow John Kerry to fill the position so his seat will be open to Scottie Brown.

Color me surprised that you appear to advocate for such a possibility.

Oh, and neither John Kerry nor General Clark are liberals.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:46 PM

32. whatever, sounds like you are a big fan of Rice

 

I never said it had to be Kerry, I also mentioned Clark too. I just happen to think Kerry would be a great pick (as do many others, it is not like I'm saying something off the wall here)

I will ignore your not so hidden insult of saying I'm wishy-washy.

And I do think Kerry is a liberal. What would you call him, a conservative?

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Response to quinnox (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:48 PM

35. No. Senator Kerry is *not* a conservative.

He's an old establishment Democrat. I think that makes him a moderate Democrat as far as a DNC Democrat is "moderate". But because he is a moderate Democrat, he would definitely make an excellent SoS. I don't doubt that for one second. Had Scottie Brown not won Ted Kennedy's seat - of all senate seats - I would have happily wanted President Obama to choose him.

However, let me be clear . . . I am not a "big fan" of Ambassador Rice. I merely question the motives behind this rabid and baseless attack by the GOP of her reputation, and understanding that Scott Brown's war chest is still pretty well filled, I'm betting on it that they hope they can have their man take a second bite out of a U.S. Senate pie.

I know there are many, MANY, people who are dying to have Senator Kerry picked as President Obama's next SoS, but I question their motives that's pretty clear for anyone willing to see it. I don't think President Obama is going to buckle, though.

I really hope you're willing to ignore any perceived insult on your person because I wasn't insulting you. I said as much in my post.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:59 PM

39. ok, so everyone who wants Kerry as SoS is part of some conspiracy

 

and in league with the GOP. Got it.

It couldn't be just because they like Kerry and think he would be a fine choice for the job.

(damn, I'm clumsy today, had to edit for so many typos.)

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Response to quinnox (Reply #39)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:28 PM

43. Everyone?

That's one helluva broad brush you're using there, pal.

No. It's just those who are so quick to gleefully excoriate the president every chance they get are suddenly all lovey-dovey with a proven DNCer (being that DNCers are the primary enemies of these people who staunchly believe President Obama is not lefty enough), now suddenly claim that said DNCer "would be a fine choice for the job". It's actually hilarious.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:42 PM

41. LOL...That's ridiculous

Utterly ridiculous.

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:34 AM

4. Her last comment was that Kerry would be an excellent choice.

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Response to narnian60 (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:41 AM

7. And? You think she is wrong on this regard?

(obviously she is wrong on Rice and I wished Obama named her so that this melodrama stops, but is it that silly that Dem and GOP senators think a colleague they know well is a good potential SoS.

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Response to Mass (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:44 AM

10. Yes, because we NEED Kerry and his experience in the Senate now against these animals. Collins can

go to hell

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Response to still_one (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:45 AM

11. So, you think Kerry would not make an excellent SoS?

Because this is the question I asked ( I know this is probably not what you think, but it sounds like that).

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Response to Mass (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:58 AM

18. of course he would, but we need him in the Senate, and more than that, why should the opposition

party tell US who we should appoint?

This is their warning shots how things are going to be


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Response to Mass (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:46 AM

12. It's not what she said but why she said it.

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Response to narnian60 (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:51 AM

14. If this is their goals, they are stupid.

They have to know they will create a backslash against Kerry and a stronger support for Rice. The attacks on Rice are so unfair that it is impossible not to defend her, and saying somebody would be a better choice becomes an attack on Rice.

If this is their strategy, we dont have to worry for 2014.


As I said, name Rice and stop the melodrama.

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:38 AM

5. It's so off topic. Instead of focusing on the events, they're focused on Rice?

I could see if they were focused on Clinton or Petreus... but Susan Rice?? And as Thomas just said, no mention of the GOP cuts to embassy security. We need to take control of the story and shut it down!

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:43 AM

8. why would anyone give credibility to a party that disrespects women, and doesn't want them to have

rights over their own party

what a jerk collins is

what they are doing is grabbing repuke women to show they are not doing this against women.

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:48 AM

13. GOP = Grumpy Old Penises

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:49 PM

36. ...

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:55 PM

38. I am glad I could brighten your day




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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #38)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:29 PM

44. Yes, you did!

You had me literally laughing out loud behind my keyboard!

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:58 AM

17. Damn her own Senator is

Starting this shift too. Unreal

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:59 AM

19. u do understand it

 

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:19 PM

23. That's because Kelly Ayotte is "troubled".

And, Kelly Ayotte is relative newcomer to the very small GOP Women's Club, and she is getting all of the attention here, and I doubt Suzie likes that. With Kay Bailey Hutchinson and Olympia Snowe leaving, Collins will be Top Dog. And, this is mostly a reminder of that. I think this is more an internal power play on Collins' part, with the attack on Rice being secondary.

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:26 PM

24. Is Collins up in 2 years? Like to see her sorry a** kicked out...

Bush-lover.

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:29 PM

25. is "troubled" the new code word for

I just noticed this person is a black women in American's power structure. They would be less troubled if she was white, even less if she was male and even less if she was a member of the GOP. What she actually knows, does, believes in, don't matter nearly as much.

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Response to Johonny (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:38 PM

29. "Ms Rice displays a troubling tendency to be a Democratic nominee. Therefore THIS IS WAR!!!!"

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:29 PM

26. I think we understand but would prefer not to. Black. Woman. Intelligent. Young.

Elizabeth Warren hurt their ego on many levels. Also how genuinely unhinged they were over the re-election of Obama. Two perfectly good country club guys were sent packing by a black and a woman.


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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:37 PM

28. I am sure Susan Collins

had "trouble" with Condi Rice's record on WMD and 911 warnings before she voted for her to be SOS...NOT!

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Response to dennis4868 (Reply #28)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:44 PM

31. None of them did AFAIK

Barbara Boxer on our side went after her pretty aggressively but the Republicans closed ranks around C. Rice and none of them AFAIK were "troubled" by her performance and very REAL incompetence (re: 9/11, Iraq WMD). Her confirmation seemed pretty much like a done deal from the start despite Democratic objections.

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:41 PM

30. I think

President Obama needs to go to the Senate and make clear to ALL Members that she is his only pick, he has a mandate, and point blank tell them that it looks like they just don't want a black woman in that position unless she's a Republican.

He has nothing to lose - no re-election to worry about by being vindictive and vicious.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:35 PM

40. Exactly, he has nothing to lose,

It's not like he'd be president for the next four years having to deal with the fallout of calling half of the Senate racists and/or sexists.

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:17 PM

33. Just Chill

I think everybody needs to chill a little bit and let this thing blow over.Mrs.Hillary Clinton has clearly said that she will continue in her post and serve as SoS till a successor is identified and confirmed.No timelines are proposed here and in any case there will be no nomination/confirmation hearing till after the Presidential Inauguration in late January and after the new Senate convenes with a larger Democratic majority. I feel it is going to be tough for the GOP to keep the drumbeat going for that long. Especially since there is a 6 week recess coming up. Also the secretary of Defense post is not even available.Sec.Panetta is barely 16 months into his term and although would like to get back to his Institute in CA he has mentioned no timeline to step down and in fact is working on troop levels fr 2014. Let everybody howl around for a while till they get it out of their system.Even after all these rhetoric a majority of Americans see no deliberate attempt to mislead the public on this issue from the Administration

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:52 PM

37. I am troubled that all these fucks are using the word troubled, Frank Luntz anyone??? n/t

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:31 PM

45. it's all about denying Obama. NOTHING to do with Susan Rice. who has been nominated for nothing.

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Response to northoftheborder (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:33 PM

46. How you know Republicans (or any other group) is full of BS

When they all use the same words. They've obviously come up with a talking point they think will get them a Senate seat. If they want some moderate Republicans, let them get one through a primary in a red state.

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